What Laws are still valid to christians

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JGIG

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How's the view? Consider this passage...

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

You are there but poor old David (a man after God's own heart) didn't make it?

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
David was not yet in Christ. The New Covenant was not yet in place.

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JGIG

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romans 7

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good ( the law ) made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Verses 9-11 are conspicuously missing in your post above:

Romans 7:9-11
9 I was once alive apart from the law,

but when the commandment came,
sin came alive and I died.

10 The very commandment that promised life
proved to be death to me.

11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment,
deceived me and through it killed me.


The Law itself is good and holy. But when it flows through us it kills us.

Your post above was so blatantly out of context - why would you feel a need to do that? Did you not SEE vs. 9-11
?

-JGIG
 

JGIG

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lets put the way the bible says and not you ok

1 john 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


There are workers of iniquity and workers of righteousness

There are trangressors of the law and righteous who obey the law


all will be rewarde accodind to there work


Even the devils love there own kind
God's commandments/Law/Torah after the Cross, as defined internally IN JOHN'S LETTER, just a few verses later in chapter 3:

1 John 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.


Law-keeping does not produce the Fruit of the Spirit, only the Spirit can do that. And if we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the Law (Gal. 5:18).

Do you think the works of the Law (flesh) are gold and precious stones mentioned in 1 Cor. 3 or do you think the Fruits of the Spirit are? What are the fruits of the flesh vs. the Fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5)?

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JGIG

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1 Corinthians 7

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Circumcision is a commandment in the Laws given at Sinai, is it not?

So Paul could not have been speaking of those commandments, but of these:

1 John 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.


-JGIG
 
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Circumcision is a commandment in the Laws given at Sinai, is it not?

So Paul could not have been speaking of those commandments, but of these:

1 John 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.


-JGIG
Paul was definitely not speaking of the commandments given to Moses at Mt. Sinai. Paul was speaking of the "law of Christ"

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Circumcision was added to the Mosaic Law (613 commandments), but God originally gave physical circumcision to Abraham before the Law (Genesis 17:9-14). In the New Testament, circumcision is used as a "symbol" of the new birth (Colossians 2:10-14).
 
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The theme of the Bible is: THE ETERNAL COVENANT OF GRACE. ALL the ELECT were chosen IN CHRIST before time began. And their names were written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE before time began. the number is set and will never change. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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Water baptism is the sign of the New Cov. Not circumcision, In the N.C. the ladies get the SIGN as well as the gentelmen. The spiritual, heart circumcision is a picture of the New Birth ,and women get that as well as men, love to all, Hoffco
 
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Water baptism is the sign of the New Cov. Not circumcision, In the N.C. the ladies get the SIGN as well as the gentelmen. The spiritual, heart circumcision is a picture of the New Birth ,and women get that as well as men, love to all, Hoffco
What did water baptism do for you? Did enlighten you? Did it make you more holy and closer to God? Explain what it did for you. Yes we should be baptised in water and it's biblical. BUt, what exactly did it do for you?
 
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What did water baptism do for you? Did enlighten you? Did it make you more holy and closer to God? Explain what it did for you. Yes we should be baptised in water and it's biblical. BUt, what exactly did it do for you?
It outwardly places you in the New Covenant?
 

homwardbound

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Well my friend, they looked forward to the Kingdom of God...

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Again if all is put in its proper context then we might be able to see all the way home, and for me it took me to put the Midget on top of the Giants shoulders
The Midget = New (second) Testament
The Giant first Testament (Old Testament)
Anyway the ones reserved to come to the Faith have not yet and this is what Hebrews is all about to the First Chosen. So just ask g to reveal this to you and praying God will. as well as to me
Thank you for all your posts, I uphold the Law that it is good righteous, perfect and correct, seeing that I am in an unredeemed body of flesh and blood, I need the new life Christ came to give us. Now I personally found it, rather God showed me it in the resurrected Christ, his son who took away the sin of the world through his death
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 

homwardbound

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Romans 2
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And that is done by God living through us not just in us. For Christ is the light (lamp) and we are the lamp bearers or the lampstand
Luke 11:33 “No one lights a lamp and hides it! Instead, he puts it on a lampstand to give light to all who enter the room.

Might be time for the exchanged life, my life for Christ's in the power of Father via the Holy Ghost yes by the resurrected Christ in Spirit no more flesh maybe?
 

homwardbound

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How's the view? Consider this passage...

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

You are there but poor old David (a man after God's own heart) didn't make it?

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
There was a time of Abrahams bosom, before the finished work of Christ and as this was said it was said before the finished work of Christ used in Acts to show what they were waiting for just as Job said it and King David said it
Job 19:25 “But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, and that he will stand upon the earth at last.

This is today past tense has already occurred

Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
 

homwardbound

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romans 7

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good ( the law ) made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
So then reckon self dead to sin flesh with the death of Christ at the cross of and be alive to God do this daily and see what God can and does through you when you are alive to God and dead to self
 

homwardbound

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lets put the way the bible says and not you ok

1 john 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


There are workers of iniquity and workers of righteousness

There are trangressors of the law and righteous who obey the law


all will be rewarde accodind to there work


Even the devils love there own kind
And so are you born again, do you believe God or are trying or just saying you are trying? No matter it is God that knows who are his and who are not, for God is the only one righteous, and shares it with his Children through his Love and Mercy of Son's finished work at the cross, entering his courts with thanksgiving and praise, plasm 100:4
 

homwardbound

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1 Corinthians 7

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Love, God's type spread abroad in and through his Children through Son's finished work of the cross, all commandments filled in us as it is in him being led by the Spirit of God through us, those that believe god in it is finished that is, see this truth and are set free. For it is the truth that sets one free is it not, at no credit to self that is all credit to Father through Son only.
 

homwardbound

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The theme of the Bible is: THE ETERNAL COVENANT OF GRACE. ALL the ELECT were chosen IN CHRIST before time began. And their names were written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE before time began. the number is set and will never change. Love to all, Hoffco
Okay then, what are we all doing then? I mean if it is done then why is everyone stressing out over everything another says are not say?
Yes I agree God knows all, and can predict, yet never by force as you just led that post to be, taking away free will choice makes God not Merciful and a Puppet Master since no one here on earth asked to be born after the similitude of Adam and Eve

Go and learn what this means I require Mercy over sacrifice? And Mercy is what is done through Son for us.
Maybe it is time to appreciate rather than work one's _____________________ off in stress that never will rest