Is it bad to play Jesus Culture in church?

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Ecclesiastik

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I've been talking with my pastor concerning this. If you examine the beliefs of their church, they are very heretical. If I remember correctly, they belong to the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movements.

The bad thing about these groups is that they emphasize signs/miracles more than repentance/faith and have such blatant false miracles as many people falling on the floor and spontaneously participating in something called "holy laughter", glitter spontaneously appearing during church service, "fire tunnels" (in which a line of people is formed who lay hands on people consecutively and they fall all over the place and convulse and such), and much more.

I would say that I am a Charismatic myself but I do not think it is acceptable to play a band that will lead people into such error.

What do you think?
 
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"they belong to the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movements."

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i think you are right - to stay away from that completely.
 
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zone said:
"they belong to the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movements."

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i think you are right - to stay away from that completely.
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Zone is right!
 
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felicecan

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Is jesus culture really deviating doctrinically? :confused: I don’t know anything about them, but I actually listen to their music
 
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Nothing wrong with their music.

The one about not preaching sin and forgiveness is a bit of a red herring because the Church at large doesn't preach this much nowadays. As for their spiritual practices, well I'm sure we can find fault in every move of God and denominational belief.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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zone and dcont- Thank you.

felice- Yes they are. I researched it to ensure it.

Wanderers- The Church of Jesus Christ does preach sin and repentance. The church down the street or the Evangelical Association of etc. etc. may not, but the Church does.

To say that we will find fault in any denomination is not an acceptable argument since this heresy falls within my own denomination and I, myself, strongly reject it. Are you really saying that spiritual practices are negligible? Because if I molded a golden calf and prayed to it, that in itself would be a spiritual practice.
 
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how about we examine their songs in particular, instead of everything any member of the congregation they are based in believes.

we can talk about the faith of Rahab without endorsing prostitution, can't we?
 
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zone said:
"they belong to the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movements."

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i think you are right - to stay away from that completely.
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Aw c'mon I love breakfast at IHOP :)
 
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zone said:
"they belong to the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movements."

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i think you are right - to stay away from that completely.
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They belong to Bethel Redding here in California--IHOP and Bethel are both misleading many, many younger brothers and sisters.

They practice covering theology -> Do Not Be Surprised...: Jesus Culture and Judah Smith to Join Piper, Moore, Chan and Others at Giglio's Passion 2013

You have to dig around quite a bit to find songs about repentance -> JESUS CULTURE LYRICS - We Cry Out

I agree with Zone.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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Posthuman- your argument is the one that I wanted to hear because I think it is the one that my pastor has. He is extremely against the IHOP and NAR movements (from what I have heard from him), but thinks it is okay to still listen to this band's music. But do you think it is still okay to do so considering what Praus and I have said? Isn't it a failure of the watchman to sound the alarm if you are playing their music in your church? Isn't that, on the contrary, the watchman allowing the enemy through their front gate?

If this group truly is heretical, and fully throws their support upon heresy, then how can we allow this Trojan horse to enter into our churches?
 
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Odd....it's heretical to have 24/7 worship and prayer?
 
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is Jesus Culture a musical band :confused:?

If so do they cover "Trust and Obey" generally I like bands that cover that one :)

I listen to all music but strangely I like secular singers who are Christian the most
unless it's traditional gospel music
 
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Nothing wrong with Jesus Culture Music. Its only wrong to you because of your own belief. People think Heavy rock music is from the devil. and its demonic. Well yes and no, Yes part, it will be according to the lyrics sung in the song. but without the lyrics. its just music. and the no part. Music is music. its when people add demonic words to the music, that's when its bad.

In this video of one of the Jesus Culture music you all refering to? I want to know what's wrong and bad about this?
Martin Smith - You are my Salvation with lyrics.

[video=youtube;PKWZIcPb0gQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKWZIcPb0gQ[/video]
 
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Ecclesiastik said:
Posthuman- your argument is the one that I wanted to hear because I think it is the one that my pastor has. He is extremely against the IHOP and NAR movements (from what I have heard from him), but thinks it is okay to still listen to this band's music. But do you think it is still okay to do so considering what Praus and I have said? Isn't it a failure of the watchman to sound the alarm if you are playing their music in your church? Isn't that, on the contrary, the watchman allowing the enemy through their front gate?

If this group truly is heretical, and fully throws their support upon heresy, then how can we allow this Trojan horse to enter into our churches?
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i understand that completely. if you feel like enjoying and using their music is de-facto supporting heresy, there's no argument against that.
the vast majority of people who hear their songs have no idea about the theology of the church they are a part of though, and i don't think necessarily singing "Oh happy day, you've washed my sins away" is a stepping stone on a slippery slope into heresy.
on the other hand, many people probably are moved by their music and gravitate toward their church because of it, and if they aren't firmly grounded in the faith and the word, they're subject to being carried away by false teachings.

personally i feel like if your congregation is singing "you won't relent" together -- and the song itself isn't teaching universalism, then it's more important to build up the faith and the knowledge of the word in the congregation than to issue a flat ban on their songs. it's as if one sermon that addresses this link after the songs have been used in worship could do a lot towards keeping the believers pure. that's why, as for me, i think the text of the song is more important to look at then the heresy of some preaching that goes on in the church where the song may have been written, since its the song that's being presented, not the heresy -- if the song itself is in error, then yeah, there is no question.

when the epistles talk about "meat sacrificed to idols," it's the association with idolatry that is wrong; the meat is still healthy to eat and good for the body. for those whose conscience is weak, it's wrong to eat, but for those whose faith is strong enough to understand that the idol is nothing, there is not a problem.
that said, following the scripture, to keep the weaker brother from temptation, it's best to shop at a different market. this isn't because the meat is poor, but for the sake of any that would be offended and so take our eyes off the prize.
 
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that's good music :)

I don't see where it is anything but positive in message

I don't get what "Jesus Culture" means though
never heard that said before

Lots of new terms
I also learned that when some say the cross they mean Jesus his death and redemption and our Salvation and Christ's resurrection
the term still confuses me though

I think it's better to keep things simple and clear and not come up with new words
just because if it is confusing to a strong believer like me
imagine how lost someone seeking God could be
We don't wanna turn Christianinty into a private club with a secret code language
just my opinion
 
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Richie_2uk

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Jesus Culture is not a band, they are a group of solo artist that comes together as one huge gathering of music. Some praise Jesus. some sing about salvation. some sings about the problems of the world. But all to give glory to God. and if thats wrong? then I think you need to maybe read your bibles more, because in it, you will see its what God want us to do Right? and whats wrong doing it through music?
 
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I'm kinda confused what praise songs are good and bad by people's opinions here

Every hym doesn't teach the entire lesson of Christ or scripture actually I don't think any do
I think I don't get it cause I have no idea what "Jesus Culture" is

I will go with "Trust and Obey" we sing that in worship sometimes
it doesn't convey everything a Christian must do but the message is positive and beautiful
 
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It's the move of God with the younger people.

I led worship back in the early '90's. Was the music mostly from Hosanna Integrity. Now with being older, I have a new appreciation for the older hymns. And I learned to play piano on them.

Don't quench what God is doing. It's all His work with generations. Let the people praise Him, all ages, and all cultures.
 
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Richie_2uk said:
Jesus Culture is not a band, they are a group of solo artist that comes together as one huge gathering of music. Some praise Jesus. some sing about salvation. some sings about the problems of the world. But all to give glory to God. and if thats wrong? then I think you need to maybe read your bibles more, because in it, you will see its what God want us to do Right? and whats wrong doing it through music?
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I totally agree :) I wrote a song about loving God

My Dad allowed me to share it at church
it is about love as Christ taught but doesn't go into everything
It is in praise to God

If we can not praise God through our own songs and words with love
the only option would be worship music like the Psalms of David

Most hyms are just written by people
very few are the actual scripture word of God

Just my opinion but as Richie explained Jesus Culture it would be pleasing to God
 
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buckets said:
I'm kinda confused what praise songs are good and bad by people's opinions here

Every hym doesn't teach the entire lesson of Christ or scripture actually I don't think any do
I think I don't get it cause I have no idea what "Jesus Culture" is

I will go with "Trust and Obey" we sing that in worship sometimes
it doesn't convey everything a Christian must do but the message is positive and beautiful
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I understand how easy you can be confused, if you are going only by what people are saying on here. you got to understand there are different types of Christians on here, and they all claim they are right and we are wrong, or vise versa. But Praise should come from your heart to God. he has given you a heart to love, and praise him. People do it through actions, some people do it through songs.

If a song speaks to you, and give you peace of mind, but mainly giving God the glory and praise. then you know for sure you are listening to the right music, if you think something is not right about a song, then then probably is something wrong, and your heart is not being spoke to fully. there are songs and music out there, that are like sheep in wolves skins, they seem ok, but if you really listen to them, and find something not right. then its obviously not good to listen to.

Praising Jesus through song does not has to be scriptual, because its you that praising God with your own words, but singing it from your heart. thats what praise is. you saying thank you, or giving God the glory for what he has done. thats what it means to praise God. We praise God because God gave us the heart to do so.

and what way is better, is to sing your praises to God in your own heart meaning words? Some add scripture, as part of there praise song. and Trust and obey is a great title for a song for you to praise God with from your own heart.
 
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