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@Tintin
You are a heretic. Christ died to save Christians and only Christians. Read these quotes:
All right. I can't find any bible verses which say that Christ died to save only a select few. You win!
[HR][/HR]Christ stated that whoever believes in him will have a chance of entering the kingdom of God; every single human on Earth has this chance. No one is excluded from god's divine plan. Even if one is born in a non-Christ-like family and lead down the path to damnation, that child will be exposed to the Lord countless before he/she dies, so in the end, there will be no excuses.
In the end, as Mrs.Grace-like-Rain said, we sent ourselves to Hell. God loves everyone, and so the gates of Heaven will always be open to everyone. However, even if God loves everyone, not everyone loves him back, not everyone will bother to start and nurture a relationship with him. Thus, Hell is a choice.
Christ did die to save everyone, but not everyone will recognize his sacrifice.
You are a heretic. Christ died to save Christians and only Christians. Read these quotes:
All right. I can't find any bible verses which say that Christ died to save only a select few. You win!
[HR][/HR]Christ stated that whoever believes in him will have a chance of entering the kingdom of God; every single human on Earth has this chance. No one is excluded from god's divine plan. Even if one is born in a non-Christ-like family and lead down the path to damnation, that child will be exposed to the Lord countless before he/she dies, so in the end, there will be no excuses.
In the end, as Mrs.Grace-like-Rain said, we sent ourselves to Hell. God loves everyone, and so the gates of Heaven will always be open to everyone. However, even if God loves everyone, not everyone loves him back, not everyone will bother to start and nurture a relationship with him. Thus, Hell is a choice.
Christ did die to save everyone, but not everyone will recognize his sacrifice.
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You know that the title of heretic is pretty much meaningless to those of us here who aren't Catholic or Orthodox? ^_^
(Which is easily 75% or more of us.)
Even so, it's a pretty drastic thing to say in jest. (I know it was in jest, but it's a little over the top, in my opinion. Just thought I'd toss that out there. ^_^
(Which is easily 75% or more of us.)
Even so, it's a pretty drastic thing to say in jest. (I know it was in jest, but it's a little over the top, in my opinion. Just thought I'd toss that out there. ^_^
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@Shouryu
Sorry, girl. --> And Tintin.
@Grace-like-Rain
I disagree, mam. Everyone who ends up in Heaven deserved to end up there.
Sorry, girl. --> And Tintin.@Grace-like-Rain
I disagree, mam. Everyone who ends up in Heaven deserved to end up there.
- We may safely assume that Moses is in Heaven.
- Look at the Virgin Mary: faithful to God until the end.
Heaven is a privilege. It is earned. Everyone who is in Heaven and will end up in Heaven deserves and will deserve it.
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Exactly. Christ did die for the whole world and its sins but not all recognise his sacrifice and life. So why did you call me a heretic? Calvinists don't believe the gates of grace are open to all, just the elected. This is one of those issues that is so important but I think John Calvin birthed some non-biblical ideas.
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Romans 3[SUP]9 [/SUP]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; [SUP]10 [/SUP]as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
Total and complete depravity.
Nobody is going to turn to God in of themselves without intervention from God Himself. Yet Christ came to save the world. This is where Arminianism is flawed where it is said man participates in his own salvation. It simply isn't possible. This is where Calvin is correct because if God hadn't predestined anybody then there would be nobody in heaven except the angels and the 144,000. Ephesians makes it clear that those who are going to heaven are the elect. Then we run into issue between predestination and foreknowledge. Does God predestinate after somebody comes into the world or does He already know before? Well, Ephesians says he chose us before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless.
Remember Christ said my sheep know my voice and hear it.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
“There is none righteous, not even one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
Total and complete depravity.
Nobody is going to turn to God in of themselves without intervention from God Himself. Yet Christ came to save the world. This is where Arminianism is flawed where it is said man participates in his own salvation. It simply isn't possible. This is where Calvin is correct because if God hadn't predestined anybody then there would be nobody in heaven except the angels and the 144,000. Ephesians makes it clear that those who are going to heaven are the elect. Then we run into issue between predestination and foreknowledge. Does God predestinate after somebody comes into the world or does He already know before? Well, Ephesians says he chose us before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless.
Remember Christ said my sheep know my voice and hear it.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
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@Tintin
I called you a heretic because I have a terrible sense of humor!
@Shouryu
Well, accepting Christ as Lord and savior is only a first step. Next, we're have to do our best to travel via the narrow road, which is hard, as compared to the road to damnation, which is easy.
I'll read Galatians and Hebrews later. Thanks for the tip.
I called you a heretic because I have a terrible sense of humor!
@Shouryu
Well, accepting Christ as Lord and savior is only a first step. Next, we're have to do our best to travel via the narrow road, which is hard, as compared to the road to damnation, which is easy.
I'll read Galatians and Hebrews later. Thanks for the tip.
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Calling somebody a heretic isn't funny taylorTG.
And no, you cannot earn your way to heaven. How would we know if we've done enough good works? It is a balancing act against bad acts? If it was then no because romans says no one does good ever. People only do good because of common grace by the Holy Spirit. We clearly can't help ourselves so God has to. Adam and eve even needed help from God to make clothes. How much more we need Gods help for everything else.
And no, you cannot earn your way to heaven. How would we know if we've done enough good works? It is a balancing act against bad acts? If it was then no because romans says no one does good ever. People only do good because of common grace by the Holy Spirit. We clearly can't help ourselves so God has to. Adam and eve even needed help from God to make clothes. How much more we need Gods help for everything else.
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I'm not a Calvinist or an Arminian. We don't even have these terms in Australia.
Didn't anyone read in my earlier post, that I believe God gives us the faith to have faith in him? By that token, all are exposed to God's Word (it's written on their hearts) but not all choose to accept his grace - therefore their default is Hell, because they don't accept the only hope (Jesus Christ and his sacrifice) given to them.
Didn't anyone read in my earlier post, that I believe God gives us the faith to have faith in him? By that token, all are exposed to God's Word (it's written on their hearts) but not all choose to accept his grace - therefore their default is Hell, because they don't accept the only hope (Jesus Christ and his sacrifice) given to them.
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Ephesians 2
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
We're told not by works so that no one can boast of earning their salvation.
Our works show we love God since love is an action in obedience to him, obedience to following his direction in what he prepared us for in advance.
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God
—9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
We're told not by works so that no one can boast of earning their salvation.
Our works show we love God since love is an action in obedience to him, obedience to following his direction in what he prepared us for in advance.
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@FireWire
I realized that, Sir. That's why I said I have a terrible sense of humor.
I agree. God himself encourages us to remain humble and to relax ourselves in Him. It's important for us to have 100% faith in the Lord, faith that he will protect us.
Yes. Adam and Eve used moss from God's garden to cover their private parts. Unfortunately, that wasn't allowed. The Lord was delighted while looking at Adam and Eve's full bodies, his prefect creations, so that ugly moss covering parts of the two living masterpieces was a grave sin!
[HR][/HR]@FireWire and Shouryu
Why are good works important?
Both physical and spiritual work is necessary for salvation. Performing good works fuels the development of a Godly world, but we won't be able to perform good works effectively if our hearts aren't in alignment with God's will.
Prayer is our way of letting God know that we're willing to be his vessels for which his love and mercy will pour out. If we're vessels for God's love and mercy to pour out, then,with pure hearts, we're do Godly things, such as feeding the poor and curing the sick.
Our final destination is Heaven. Until then, we have work to do on Earth. We may help non-believers to eventually accept God if they see the subtle hints of love which we give off from our deeds. Our Good works may help God touch other's hearts!
How does one do good works in ways which truly benefit the kingdom of God?
100% faith in the Lord is required for us to be able to go out to the world and do good works in effective ways. Even if we do all kinds of good works, if our hearts aren't in the right places, those good works will mean nothing.
Before we perform good works, we must reflect in prayer and think about how we look in the eyes of the Lord. No matter how great our deeds may be, they may not be so great from the divine creator's perspective, so we reflect in prayer before heading out.
Do you have any bible verses which encourage us to do good works?
Here you go, ladies and gentleman...
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
TaylorTG, you are only 16 years old. Also, you have insulted a fellow member of this community. What makes what you say credible?
I realized that, Sir. That's why I said I have a terrible sense of humor.
I agree. God himself encourages us to remain humble and to relax ourselves in Him. It's important for us to have 100% faith in the Lord, faith that he will protect us.
Yes. Adam and Eve used moss from God's garden to cover their private parts. Unfortunately, that wasn't allowed. The Lord was delighted while looking at Adam and Eve's full bodies, his prefect creations, so that ugly moss covering parts of the two living masterpieces was a grave sin!
[HR][/HR]@FireWire and Shouryu
Why are good works important?
Lets see...
[*=1]Good works - physical work
[*=1]Prayer - spiritual work
Both physical and spiritual work is necessary for salvation. Performing good works fuels the development of a Godly world, but we won't be able to perform good works effectively if our hearts aren't in alignment with God's will.
Prayer is our way of letting God know that we're willing to be his vessels for which his love and mercy will pour out. If we're vessels for God's love and mercy to pour out, then,with pure hearts, we're do Godly things, such as feeding the poor and curing the sick.
Our final destination is Heaven. Until then, we have work to do on Earth. We may help non-believers to eventually accept God if they see the subtle hints of love which we give off from our deeds. Our Good works may help God touch other's hearts!
How does one do good works in ways which truly benefit the kingdom of God?
100% faith in the Lord is required for us to be able to go out to the world and do good works in effective ways. Even if we do all kinds of good works, if our hearts aren't in the right places, those good works will mean nothing.
Before we perform good works, we must reflect in prayer and think about how we look in the eyes of the Lord. No matter how great our deeds may be, they may not be so great from the divine creator's perspective, so we reflect in prayer before heading out.
Do you have any bible verses which encourage us to do good works?
Here you go, ladies and gentleman...
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I certainly am regretful of my hasty decision to call Tintin a 'heretic'. My bad, ladies and gentleman!
I may only be 16, but like the rest of you, I desire knowledge about the divine. This website, for me, is one of many sources available for me to educate and be educated. Forgive me for any misinformation that I present.
I may only be 16, but like the rest of you, I desire knowledge about the divine. This website, for me, is one of many sources available for me to educate and be educated. Forgive me for any misinformation that I present.
End of post.
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@Shouryu
Sorry, girl. --> And Tintin.
@Grace-like-Rain
I disagree, mam. Everyone who ends up in Heaven deserved to end up there.
Sorry, girl. --> And Tintin.@Grace-like-Rain
I disagree, mam. Everyone who ends up in Heaven deserved to end up there.
- We may safely assume that Moses is in Heaven.
- Look at the Virgin Mary: faithful to God until the end.
Heaven is a privilege. It is earned. Everyone who is in Heaven and will end up in Heaven deserves and will deserve it.
If that is possible, why did Christ have to die?
Ephesians 2:
2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, [SUP]5 [/SUP]made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, [SUP]7 [/SUP]in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not by works, so that no one can boast.
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What's wrong with discussing stuff with 'calvinist MEN?'
It seems to me you're just trying to use CC as a dating site.
Although I can understand your desire to get in touch with 'calvinist women:'
they're the best in the world... and I should know, I married one.
It seems to me you're just trying to use CC as a dating site.
Although I can understand your desire to get in touch with 'calvinist women:'
they're the best in the world... and I should know, I married one.
