Need help with the 4 horses

[KJV1611]

In your opinion, are the horses in Zechariah 6 the same horses as the ones talked about in Revelation 6?
Why or why not? Thanks.

Zec 6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
Zec 6:2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
Zec 6:3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

[dcontroversal]

In your opinion, are the horses in Zechariah 6 the same horses as the ones talked about in Revelation 6?
Why or why not? Thanks.

Zec 6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
Zec 6:2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
Zec 6:3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Look up the world pale in the Greek as found applied to the "pale" horse of Revelation. VERY INTERESTING IN LIGHT OF CURRENT WORLD TRENDS heading in one direction.

 

[Hizikyah]

Here is a study I made of the 4 horses, Yahweh's prophecies are amazing and give us a glimpse into His might!

Revelation Study 1 - YouTube

Revelation Study 2 - YouTube

 

[nathan3]

well to keep it simple and on point

The first white horse in rev is Satan . ( Christ first warning Deception Mark 13; Matthew 24)

Then read each horse with each warning Christ gives in Mark 13 and Matthew 24. That is a good place to start reading.. If you want a detailed study that i trust, then inbox me for that, that at least shows me your interested . Often I extend a helping hand only for it to be slapped away. So dont expect an email from me unless asked for.


Pray to God for understanding while you study everyday .

 

[KJV1611]

Thanks for the responses, but do you believe the 2 passages are parallels?

 

[KJV1611]

If the 2 passages are parallels, which I think they are, then we know what those horses are. If these horses are the same... then we know that the rider of the first horse is not "the antichrist". We know what the four spirits of the heavens are.

Zec 6:4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
Zec 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

 

[Shilo]

No, I don't think so. If they were the same horses they would be in the same order.

 

[reject-tech]

They are the same horses, and while their ordering during introduction is not the same order, their ordering after they move, is the same.

This may be accused of "stretching", but hey, *cough* no worse than claiming Russia is that "bear" or that China will send out 200 million horse riders in the year 2k+ when all they have to do is push a button *cough*

So here goes.

First, in the Revelation, each of the 4 living creatures introduces a horse. Each of the 4 living creatures has a directional location based on it's identity and the camp of Israel.
Here is the layout of the camp of Israel, and the faces of the 4 living creatures. This corresponds to the positioning of their faces in Ezekiel, as observed by Ezekiel from the "south" which is the direction from which one faces ark of the covenant, or the throne, looking northward.

I'm not going to take the time to use an image editor and make pictures, and formatting in the forum doesn't recognize spaces, so I'll try and use dashes for empty space.
Lion-East, Ox-West, Man-South, Eagle-North

---E---
O-----L
---M---

As each "face" of the 4 living creatures announces a horseman, that horseman "rides forth" away from that creature to the opposite compass space.
Remember that the 4 living creatures do not turn and go straight as the go and return. So does their prophecy, the wheels that go round and round, over and over again.

White goes from Lion East to West, Red goes from Ox West to East, Black goes from Man South to North, and Pale goes from Eagle North to South.

---B---
W-----R
---G---

These final destinations match the directions which the horses end up in Zech 6, though their starting position is a single point and illustrated differently.
It says the Black goes to the north, White simply "goes forth" presumabely in a straight line from the East to the West since no other directional variation is described, and the Grisled goes to the south.
Why is the Red one in the East? Because it didn't ride anywhere, it just came forth out from between the mountains of brass.
Why is East the starting point for all of these? Because East is the rising of the sun, and brass is a tool. You start work when the sun comes up.
And also, because the reader is to already understand that ---

The Elders of Israel have their backs to the temple, facing the East, worshipping the sun, one of the abominations described in Ezekiel.
We (the errant elders of Israel) are obsessed with the book of Revelation and how it divines the future, instead of how it Reveals Jesus Christ and striving to manifest God's work in the bodily temple, and at the door (emotional relationships with others), and in the courtyard (physical relationships with others)

What do all the creatures and horsemen mean?
You have 4 bibles in front of you but you only get to see one of them until you are brought via tribulation, to a point where you know your only escape is to love God and other people, foremost from the heart, and as able, from the hands, even if it kills you. Jesus Christ made a sacrifice to set an example for us. If He had stayed and fixed it all, we would just think He was the bomb without ever having a chance to follow in His footsteps and actually know how awesome He is.

And that first copy does NOT tell the future, it chases us down and allows our own iniquity to misdirect us unless we love with a love that cannot be faked.

 

[KJV1611]

I see what you mean reject-tech. I think instead of 4 bibles though, it's four gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The four spirits in Zechariah I believe are the four winds in Ezekiel. The "breath of life" comes from the four winds or four spirits... the four gospels.

Eze_37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

 

[KJV1611]

I know it's hard to think of the 4 horses in the book of Revelation as being the 4 gospels, but the book is written in symbolic language, that means we have to look back to other places in the bible to understand the meaning. Here's an example.

This is the second seal.

Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Here's the gospel account of the second seal.

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

 

[reject-tech]

I see what you mean reject-tech. I think instead of 4 bibles though, it's four gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The four spirits in Zechariah I believe are the four winds in Ezekiel. The "breath of life" comes from the four winds or four spirits... the four gospels.

Eze_37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

It's not something that I think I can put in words, but the ways the four gospels are presented by their authors seem to be laid out in the same order as the four living creatures in Revelation, and I think it's not a coincidence.
For example, Luke, the 3rd seems to present Jesus with human emotion, while John seems to sound more like a flying eagle that points out details from a large snapshot.

When I used the term 4 bibles, it's probably better if I had said 4 mindsets or heartsets from which to read it. And I think Lion is the default.

I actually think the mindsets are as numerous as the living things on earth, but we are restricted pretty much to focus on those 4 for now, if we can even do that.
I think for example that someday a scientist might be able to apply the symbolism in the bible in his search for the explanation of smaller particles and get the real answers from God's word instead of just looking through a microscope and speculating.
Or that a musician might be able to compose a symphony with certain instruments playing certain parts that portray the exact message and feeling he wants to convey, with help from God through His word.
I'd be even more silly to go farther than that and guess what specific "faces" describe those examples though.

I fantasize about beautiful things being able to come to pass like that in paradise a lot lol.

 

[KJV1611]

I don't think that's coincidence either. I know some of the things I post are way out there, but the bible is a spiritual book. The meaning is found in the symbols. That's why I started this thread, for a long time now I have thought the 4 horses were the 4 gospels but I was hoping someone could give more insight into this. I like your idea about the living creatures and I plan on doing some research into that.

The book, I believe is infinite. The answers to all questions are in the bible I think. I'm with you, I love to think of all treasures on the other side... but I want to get as many as I can right now too lol.

 

[Shilo]

4 horsemen
Zechariah 1: [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet: [SUP]8 [/SUP]I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the Lord has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So they answered the Angel of the Lord, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly.
The horses went out
Red – War
Sorrel - partial peace and conflict
White –peace
Zechariah 1:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were four horns. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And I said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these?”
So he answered me, “These are the horns that have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then the Lord showed me four craftsmen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And I said, “What are these coming to do?”
So he said, “These are the horns that scattered Judah, so that no one could lift up his head; but the craftsmen[SUP][a][/SUP] are coming to terrify them, to cast out the horns of the nations that lifted up their horn against the land of Judah to scatter it.” Zechariah 1:2 abroad like the four winds of heaven,” says the Lord. [SUP]7 [/SUP]“Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon

 

[Shilo]

Zechariah 6
Vision of the Four Chariots
6 Then I turned and raised my eyes and looked, and behold, four chariots were coming from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of bronze. [SUP]2 [/SUP]With the first chariot were red horses, with the second chariot black horses, [SUP]3 [/SUP]with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses—strong steeds. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”

[SUP]5 [/SUP]
And the angel answered and said to me, “These are four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth. [SUP]6 [/SUP]The one with the black horses is going to the north country, the white are going after them, and the dappled are going toward the south country.” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then the strong steeds went out, eager to go, that they might walk to and fro throughout the earth. And He said, “Go, walk to and fro throughout the earth.” So they walked to and fro throughout the earth. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And He called to me, and spoke to me, saying, “See, those who go toward
the north country have given rest to My Spirit in the north country.”


Zechariah 6

Black and white horse both go to the North. The white follows the Black and gives peace. Look at what God said “those who go toward the north country have given rest to My Spirit in the north country.”

 

[Shilo]

Chariots = war machines
2 mountains = 2 powers
were mountains of bronze = sin , Judgment on sin
red horses = War = Then the strong steeds went out, eager to go, that they might walk to and fro throughout the earth. Wars throughout the world. More then 1 horse more then 1 war.When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
black horses, Famine , death = a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[SUP][c][/SUP] of wheat for a denarius,[SUP][d][/SUP] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

White horses = peace , = white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.He called to me, and spoke to me, saying, “See, those who go toward the north country have given rest to My Spirit in the north country.”
Dappled horses = mix of peace and war. Kind of Like Israel has now. pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.




Zech 1 Zech 6 rev6
1[SUP]st [/SUP] red Red white
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] pale Black Red
3[SUP]rd[/SUP] white white black
4[SUP]th[/SUP] none pale pale

You have 3 horse pictures here and none are the same.


Revelation starts with a white horse ( peace) but he rides out to conquer. This is enforced peace.

 

[Shilo]

These horses are stirred up by the four winds of heaven where else do you see 4 beast being stirred up by wind
Daniel 7
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

The 4 beast are a picture of the nations.

 

[Shilo]

Now on to the four living creatures, Angels but also a picture of the children of Israel and Yeshua

Numbers 2
East - Judah, Zebulun and Issachar Lion
South – Reuben , simeon, and Gad Man
West - Ephraim , Manasseh, Benjamin Ox
North – Dan, Asher, NaphtaliEagle

Ezekiel 1[SUP]10 [/SUP]As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Thus were their faces.
Ezekiel 10[SUP]4 [/SUP]Each one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, the second face the face of a man, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the cherubim were lifted up. This was the living creature I saw by the River Chebar. [SUP]16 [/SUP]When the cherubim went, the wheels went beside them; and when the cherubim lifted their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also did not turn from beside them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]When the cherubim[SUP][b][/SUP] stood still, the wheels stood still, and when one[SUP][c][/SUP] was lifted up, the other[SUP][d][/SUP] lifted itself up, for the spirit of the living creature was in them.

Lion = Yeshua, He will come back as the Lion
Man = he is the son of man
Ox = He came as a servant
Eagle = God is compared to a Eagle in the Bible.

 

[Hizikyah]

Here is a study I made of the 4 horses, Yahweh's prophecies are amazing and give us a glimpse into His might!

Revelation Study 1 - YouTube

Revelation Study 2 - YouTube

the white horse is the Messiah imposter aka "the vicar of christ" more commonly know as the papacy

the black horse is the money system of the world that keeps men in perpetual debt slavery, they sell Revalation 18:12, "....that is, souls of men."

red horse is war waging nations, wars and democide, Mao alone killed 65-80 million of his own people

the pale horse, which is actually chloros in greek which means pale green, is Islam, if you watch those videos I show evidence for all of this, and Islam official color is green and the are like 1.2% under the "fourth part of the earth."

and yeah same horses

 

[KJV1611]

4 horsemen
Zechariah 1: [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet: [SUP]8 [/SUP]I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the Lord has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So they answered the Angel of the Lord, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly.
The horses went out
Red – War
Sorrel - partial peace and conflict
White –peace
Zechariah 1:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were four horns. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And I said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these?”
So he answered me, “These are the horns that have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then the Lord showed me four craftsmen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And I said, “What are these coming to do?”
So he said, “These are the horns that scattered Judah, so that no one could lift up his head; but the craftsmen[SUP][a][/SUP] are coming to terrify them, to cast out the horns of the nations that lifted up their horn against the land of Judah to scatter it.” Zechariah 1:2 abroad like the four winds of heaven,” says the Lord. [SUP]7 [/SUP]“Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon

Shilo, how did you determine what the horses colors represent? i.e. Red - War

I love the last part of Zechariah, I believe it's talking about Daniel's 4th kingdom.
The Lord showed me a neat thing about the numbers 3 and 4 and how they are used in the bible. You may not go for this, must people don't lol, but it's pretty cool how the Lord speaks to us.

The number 3 points to the earthly kingdom - "3rd generation" - the Old Testament . Notice how Revelation talks about a "third part" of ...
1) Abraham
2) Isaac
3) Jacob

The number 4 points to the spiritual kingdom - "4th generation" - the New Testament. Revelation also talks about a "fourth part" of...
1) Matthew
2) Mark
3) Luke
4) John

Anyway, I think the 4 horns that scattered Judah was the army that God sent against Jerusalem in AD 70 and the 4 carpenters are the 4 carpenters that build the "real" house of God (the body of Christ)... the 4 gospels.

 

[KJV1611]

Shilo, how did you determine what the horses colors represent? i.e. Red - War

I love the last part of Zechariah, I believe it's talking about Daniel's 4th kingdom.
The Lord showed me a neat thing about the numbers 3 and 4 and how they are used in the bible. You may not go for this, must people don't lol, but it's pretty cool how the Lord speaks to us.

The number 3 points to the earthly kingdom - "3rd generation" - the Old Testament .
1) Abraham
2) Isaac
3) Jacob
Notice how Revelation talks about a "third part" of ...

The number 4 points to the spiritual kingdom - "4th generation" - the New Testament.
1) Matthew
2) Mark
3) Luke
4) John
Revelation also talks about a "fourth part" of...

Anyway, I think the 4 horns that scattered Judah was the army that God sent against Jerusalem in AD 70 and the 4 carpenters are the 4 carpenters that build the "real" house of God (the body of Christ)... the 4 gospels.

I had to edit this, it might have been confusing the way it was written.