Any Calvinist Women out there?

[GreenNnice]

^^^^^ well said, teegeekeeed . english slango talk for 'kid' is 'keeed.' taylorevidmonster ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and, I like that avatar, the green, it's all about the robust green colo ,bro ! *green's thinking he should tell everyone he likes all shades of green. If it's green, baby, it rocks city, baby

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So, yeah, I just wanted to let the Calvinist team know that I would be happy go get your burlap bags for you (potato sacks race) when I go and pick up mine. (See "Streams of Consciousness" thread before you decide )

 

[lil_christian]

Haha! My sister and I had a conversation that was sparked by this thread. She concluded that, "God is like Dr. Who and can experience all of time which is kind of happening all at once. You know, 'wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey.'"

Me: "I think we are going to hell now."

Sister: "Yeah, but in the TARDIS!"

LOL! Instead of going to hell in a handbasket, we're deciding to take the TARDIS. XD hahaha


No, I believe that God is all-knowing, and He already knows who's saved and who's not. God's outside of time, so it makes sense, right?

 

[lil_christian]

hahahahha...oh...that made me LOL out loud. Brilliant!

It almost made me spit out my cereal.... lol


(Yes, I'm eating cereal at 10 pm. What's usually a breakfast food is now a late night snack. Organic rice milk with not so organic cocoa krispies. )

 

[Tintin]

I just wanna say,that I was a bit disappointed that this thread had absolutely nothing to do with the beloved comic strip Calvin & Hobbs.

Earlier on, I posted a Calvin & Hobbes parody picture with John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes.

 

[ServantStrike]

It almost made me spit out my cereal.... lol


(Yes, I'm eating cereal at 10 pm. What's usually a breakfast food is now a late night snack. Organic rice milk with not so organic cocoa krispies. )

Ehh...


You've gotta die sometime right?

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'm not uncomfortable with that verse at all. God is flat out saying the reason He hates these people is because of their sin. He has destroyed entire nations because of their sin, and will do so again according to His word. God cannot accept sin.

You mised the part about where he says "I will love them no more"

It makes the whole "jesus loves everyone equally" thing more questionable.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I have no problems with Hosea.
I do have problems with people changing the meaning of verses like John 3:16-18.

It does not say:
For God so loved the elect that he gave his only Son, so that those elected may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the elected, but in order that the elected might be saved through him. Those elected are not condemned; but those who are not elected are condemned already, because they are not elected in the name of the only Son of God.

But this:
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

I have problems with people arbitrarily selecting a definition out of multiple definitions.

Do you believe what it says in Hosea 9:15, "I will love them no more"?

 

[ServantStrike]

You mised the part about where he says "I will love them no more"

It makes the whole "jesus loves everyone equally" thing more questionable.

That may be one of the most obnoxious things I've read in a long while.

 

[jimmydiggs]

That may be one of the most obnoxious things I've read in a long while.

Hence my point, no one seems to want to address Hosea 9:15. I'm not sure how to handle it, but I'm not going to ignore what it says due to emotionalism.

 

[lil_christian]

Ehh...


You've gotta die sometime right?

Yeah, but let's not rush that.

Most of the time, I like living.

 

[ServantStrike]

Hence my point, no one seems to want to address Hosea 9:15. I'm not sure how to handle it, but I'm not going to ignore what it says due to emotionalism.

Stop. Just stop.

That verse is a poor proof for limited atonement, and this is not the place for the discussion.

Yeah, but let's not rush that.

Most of the time, I like living.

I just hope that my death is interesting for the EMT's involved. When I'm 90 I need a will that says the EMT's are allowed to laugh if I die slipping in the shower or something else funny.

 

[buckets]

Jesus loves us

John 10:11
I am the good sheperd: the good sheperd giveth his life for the sheep.

That is as loving as it gets!
to debate the words of Christ with the words of a prophet seems not wise to me

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son:

The Father has given all judgement over to the Son thus the things of the OT that the Father did when sin displeased him are not nescerily how the Son will pass judgement
God can still destroy cities of course he is God he can do anything
but the Son now judges us he won't for sure did as God th Father
yes I know they are both God one and the same
this is just something to think on

 

[wisebeardman]

this must be one of those threads that prob should be put to rest, but never seem to die.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Stop. Just stop.

That verse is a poor proof for limited atonement, and this is not the place for the discussion.

Not about limited atonement. Just about making sure our rejections of something are because they are contrary to scripture, not because they are contrary to cliches we hold to emotionally.

The latter request will be complied with.

 

[ServantStrike]

Jesus loves us

John 10:11
I am the good sheperd: the good sheperd giveth his life for the sheep.

That is as loving as it gets!
to debate the words of Christ with the words of a prophet seems not wise to me

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son:

The Father has given all judgement over to the Son thus the things of the OT that the Father did when sin displeased him are not nescerily how the Son will pass judgement
God can still destroy cities of course he is God he can do anything
but the Son now judges us he won't for sure did as God th Father
yes I know they are both God one and the same
this is just something to think on

You're half my age, so I get to use this verse .

Luke 18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

 

[lil_christian]

Hence my point, no one seems to want to address Hosea 9:15. I'm not sure how to handle it, but I'm not going to ignore what it says due to emotionalism.

It sounds like God's fed up in Hosea 9:15. Sounds like He's saying, "You ain't listenin', foo! I'm done!" and there will be points in time where God just says, "Okay. No more." there is a point in time where God offers people that aren't in Christ His mercy and grace, and offers them redemption. But eventually He will give them over to their desires, because they just aren't listening, and He knows they aren't going to listen.


God draws people to Him. And the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. No one says, "Jesus is Lord," except through the Holy Spirit. Choose this day whom you will serve. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. Some vessels are made for destruction. Everyone who believes in Him will not be disappointed. Repent and turn away from your idols and turn your faces away from all your abominations.


Extreme Calvinism is borderline brutal. Extreme beliefs of free will almost makes it sound like God had nothing to do with our salvation. It's not as simple as we're making it out to be.

 

[ServantStrike]

Extreme Calvinism is borderline brutal. Extreme beliefs of free will almost makes it sound like God had nothing to do with our salvation. It's not as simple as we're making it out to be.

 

[lil_christian]

See, Hosea 9:15 isn't about not loving everyone equally. It's about His justice. As much as God loves mercy and grace, He also desires justice.

Heck, when you read the BOOK of Hosea. It's about his justice, but it's also about His love and mercy, and how He desires for His people to come back. But if they don't, He will administer justice.

 

[buckets]

God is just

When you love your children you will discipline them justly

Jesus loves everyone even the sinners this doesn't mean we will not be justly disciplined

 

[Jullianna]

I'm going to suggest something that will end this debate on CC once and or all.

We're going to have a triathlon of events in which two teams of three people made up of CC members from this particular thread will compete, and the winners of this triathlon will have their theological position accepted as the official position of CC. And debates will not be allowed henceforth (yeah, I said henceforth, you got a problem with my stuck-in-the-17th-century vocabulary???).

In honor of debates between Christians in church history (and considering the subject at hand) we will carry out this triathlon in the city of Dordrecht, Netherlands (site of the historic Synod of Dordt debates in the early 17th century).

The three events will be as follows:

1. A "Book of Romans" Speed-Reading Contest (anyone who skips over verses in Romans 9 will be immediately disqualified).

2. A "Book Burning" Contest (we won't actually burn books, but we will see who can come up with the best "burns" (insults) regarding the two writings of the Arminians "Five Articles of the Remonstrants" and John Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion"

3. Potato Sack Races (just because they are soooooooo much fun!!!).


The two teams will be represented by the following CC members:

1. The Calvinist Position (or what I like to call the "Bible-Based" Position):

Grace-Like-Rain, Kayem77, and Myself (NodMyHeadLikeYeah will sub in in case there's an injury or if I need to fix my hair).


2. The Non-Calvinist Position (which includes Arminians and the "Neither Or" Group - which I like to call "Arminians-In-Disguise"):

Lil_Christian, TinTin, and Jullianna (Maxwel will sub in in case there's an injury or if Jullianna is too busy punching us Calvinists in the face!!!).


Good luck to all of you at the Theology Triathlon, and remember kids - LET'S HAVE FUN!!!


P.S. I wrote this in the spirit of humor, so please do not send me any hate mail, unless they all end with Tiny Tim's universal benediction "God bless us, every one"

Ummmm...Jullianna has expressed no opinion either for or against Calvinists here, only regarding works vs. grace, and will be doing no face punching. Jullianna simply does not do "ists" of any kind.

God bless us, every one