The Truth About The Sabbath
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the root of telos is goal.... an end and a goal are very similar, so if we want to understand the usage and context we need to consult other Scriptural ideas, if Scripture does not contradict, then it cant say the Law is over, but we establish the Law. That is direct contradiction.
and if we are honestly trying to find truth we need to look at all Scripture, particularly the same writer in the same epistle:
if that is what he means in Romans 10:4 he must had changed his mind very quickly...
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
So either one of these verse doesn't mean what it "appears" to mean or there is contradiction.
and if we are honestly trying to find truth we need to look at all Scripture, particularly the same writer in the same epistle:
if that is what he means in Romans 10:4 he must had changed his mind very quickly...
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
So either one of these verse doesn't mean what it "appears" to mean or there is contradiction.
So im guessing that you highlighted "until all things are perfected" meaning you think all things have been perfected? Is there still sin, death, satan, lies, deciet, disease, murder, etc? Then are all things perfected?
No all things will be perfected in the kingdom.
Also its not a one or the other BOTH have to happen, so did "Unless heaven and earth passes away"
No it has not.
So according to Messiah has anything passed for the Law?
No.
So if you think Shaul (Paul) is teaching different you must be a disciple of Paul and not Yahshua?
Now I do not think Shaul is in contradiction with Messiah, I think people dont understand Shual, with that said if there was a contradiction, Im going with Messiah!
Shaul (Paul) IS THE ONLY writer singled out as being hard to understand and people twisting his words to their own destruction:
2 Kepha (Peter) 3:15-16, "...Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
No all things will be perfected in the kingdom.
Also its not a one or the other BOTH have to happen, so did "Unless heaven and earth passes away"
No it has not.
So according to Messiah has anything passed for the Law?
No.
So if you think Shaul (Paul) is teaching different you must be a disciple of Paul and not Yahshua?
Now I do not think Shaul is in contradiction with Messiah, I think people dont understand Shual, with that said if there was a contradiction, Im going with Messiah!
Shaul (Paul) IS THE ONLY writer singled out as being hard to understand and people twisting his words to their own destruction:
2 Kepha (Peter) 3:15-16, "...Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
Here is a prophecy about the Messiah and its fulfillment:
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."
I stand for wanting to be the type of person Yahweh wants me to be
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
what?
so because Im saved by mecry do I then transgress the Law? May it never be so! For how could us born 2000 years after Messiah know sin if the Law did not tell us not do do certain things?
Is the Law no in tune perfectly with the Holy Spirit?
Is the Law not the standard by which all men are to test the spirits?
AHH, this is why we have many going astray, they have no standard. I wonder if there is a verse that says something like this?
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
O you workers of iniquity, may you repent from your falsehoods.
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
so because Im saved by mecry do I then transgress the Law? May it never be so! For how could us born 2000 years after Messiah know sin if the Law did not tell us not do do certain things?
Is the Law no in tune perfectly with the Holy Spirit?
Is the Law not the standard by which all men are to test the spirits?
AHH, this is why we have many going astray, they have no standard. I wonder if there is a verse that says something like this?
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
O you workers of iniquity, may you repent from your falsehoods.
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
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The law was 'added' to show us, convince us, that we are sinners. Since Christ's death and resurrection, and when we accept Him as our Savior (repent), we automatically become sin 'free' of those in the past, present and future. This is the objective reality. Subjectively, we literally need to acknowledge the blood shed for us, when we do sin, while still here on earth in this physical body. We are under grace, unmerited favor.
"You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." Gal. 5:4. ("Fallen from grace" does not mean you have become unsaved.) It means you have become estranged from Christ. To be alienated from God's affections does not mean you are lost. But, what then? Until you come to the realization that you are righteous because of God's unmerited favor toward you, you will have a difficult time growing spiritually.
"You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." Gal. 5:4. ("Fallen from grace" does not mean you have become unsaved.) It means you have become estranged from Christ. To be alienated from God's affections does not mean you are lost. But, what then? Until you come to the realization that you are righteous because of God's unmerited favor toward you, you will have a difficult time growing spiritually.
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If you Read the whole book of Romans you will see that:
Paul was writing a letter to the ROMANS stating they dont have to do the Jewish laws, but that the ten commanments are still to be kept
get a free Bible
like
theword.net
and install it free
and read Romans
and where ever you see LAW mentioned, click on it to see WHICH law
the KJV makes it unclear since a monk somwhere translated the three different laws as the same word
so just look them up
read the Book
and it is settled
the celebration/animal sacrifices are over
the ten commandmtens and the Sabbath are forever
and PAul
as his manner was
kept the seventh day Sabbath all his life.
never condoned aldultery
never condoned stealing
never condoned lying
never condoned covetousness
never condoned dishonoring your parents
never condoned making images of JEsus and mary
never condoned swearing
and never condoned having another God (something you spend your time with mre than the Bible ) before us
and in revelation
the few christians who survive the plagues
keep the commandments
Sanctification is
being forgiven by Gods grace and the cross giving us grace
and then walking by grace keeping the law
going and sinning no more
putting off our sinful character traits by prayer and fasting and pleading
and becoming more and more by JEsus by being filled with his spirit of grace on the Barak sabbath kneeling worshipping and praising God
it is the christian walk every day
taking up our cross
crucifying sins we like
nailing them to the tree and killing our desire for them
by the love of Jesus.
Paul was writing a letter to the ROMANS stating they dont have to do the Jewish laws, but that the ten commanments are still to be kept
get a free Bible
like
theword.net
and install it free
and read Romans
and where ever you see LAW mentioned, click on it to see WHICH law
the KJV makes it unclear since a monk somwhere translated the three different laws as the same word
so just look them up
read the Book
and it is settled
the celebration/animal sacrifices are over
the ten commandmtens and the Sabbath are forever
and PAul
as his manner was
kept the seventh day Sabbath all his life.
never condoned aldultery
never condoned stealing
never condoned lying
never condoned covetousness
never condoned dishonoring your parents
never condoned making images of JEsus and mary
never condoned swearing
and never condoned having another God (something you spend your time with mre than the Bible ) before us
and in revelation
the few christians who survive the plagues
keep the commandments
Sanctification is
being forgiven by Gods grace and the cross giving us grace
and then walking by grace keeping the law
going and sinning no more
putting off our sinful character traits by prayer and fasting and pleading
and becoming more and more by JEsus by being filled with his spirit of grace on the Barak sabbath kneeling worshipping and praising God
it is the christian walk every day
taking up our cross
crucifying sins we like
nailing them to the tree and killing our desire for them
by the love of Jesus.
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Dont worry danschance, all men will have to answer to the same standard, and will be judged with fairness, ones heart will be exposed, for better or worse.
Romans 2:10-12, "But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh. For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law"
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Messiah is not the end of the Law, He is the goal, meaning He is the PERFECT result of what obedience to Yahweh's Law is!
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Romans 13:8, "Owe no man anything, except to love one another, for he who loves another has performed the Law. For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in this (Law Leviticus 19:18); namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love works no harm to his neighbor; therefore, love is the fulness of the Law."
Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."
Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:
Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
Romans 2:10-12, "But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh. For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law"
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Messiah is not the end of the Law, He is the goal, meaning He is the PERFECT result of what obedience to Yahweh's Law is!
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Romans 13:8, "Owe no man anything, except to love one another, for he who loves another has performed the Law. For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in this (Law Leviticus 19:18); namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love works no harm to his neighbor; therefore, love is the fulness of the Law."
Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."
Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:
Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
this could not have been said any better... every word of it is the truth. [h=3]Romans 2:14-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
what does that make us then, because our nature shows that we do the works against the law, by nature shows us that we are sinners, and that we need to be born again, exactly as it suppose too
[h=3]Galatians 3:24[/h]King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
why must we be justified by faith... because we can't follow the law we ask God by faith to fill us with his righteousness
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
what does that make us then, because our nature shows that we do the works against the law, by nature shows us that we are sinners, and that we need to be born again, exactly as it suppose too
[h=3]Galatians 3:24[/h]King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
why must we be justified by faith... because we can't follow the law we ask God by faith to fill us with his righteousness
T
Romans 7 verses are not talking about the Ten Commandments. Paul tells us that we cannot keep the law (our natural goodness) i.e. we know what we should do but we don't. This "law" is like, the law of gravity. It is going to happen automatically. But there is a stronger "law." "For the "law" of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Rom. 8.
After mankind was created in God's image, God didn't merely say "It was good," but in fact "very good." Man knew about right or wrong from the 'garden.' So after the fall man needed to know just how sinful he was, so we have, according to God's timing, the Ten Commandments - the law - a tutor. Gal. 3:19-25.
After mankind was created in God's image, God didn't merely say "It was good," but in fact "very good." Man knew about right or wrong from the 'garden.' So after the fall man needed to know just how sinful he was, so we have, according to God's timing, the Ten Commandments - the law - a tutor. Gal. 3:19-25.
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I respectfully disagree. When we are in Christ, and as we grow spiritually, "the law of the Spirit of life" in Him, automatically operates within us to naturally express the nature of God. It is a growing process. From caterpillar (unsaved), to cocoon (metamorphosis - growing in His life), to a butterfly (expression of the glory of God).
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dear brother mustaphadrink..
even in greek it is translated as the first day of the week ( sunday ).
the jews never named the days of the week but numbered them 1-6 days according to their placement before the sabbath... yet only saturday was named which is shabbat.
Yom Rishon B'Shabbat= the first weekday of the approaching Shabbat= sunday
Yom Sheini B'Shabbat= the second weekday of the approaching Shabbat= monday
Yom Sh'lishi B'Shabbat= the third weekday of the approaching Shabbat= tuesday
Yom Revi'i B'Shabbat= the fourth weekday of the approaching Shabbat= wednesday
Yom Chamishi B'Shabbat= the fifth weekday of the approaching Shabbat= thursday
Yom Shishi B'Shabbat= the sixth weekday of the approaching Shabbat= friday
Shabbat= Sabbath= saturday
so in both languages god is stating the same day... first day of the week... being sunday.
keeping this in mind...
2 peter 1:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
and also
2 timothy 3:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
god bless
even in greek it is translated as the first day of the week ( sunday ).
the jews never named the days of the week but numbered them 1-6 days according to their placement before the sabbath... yet only saturday was named which is shabbat.
Yom Rishon B'Shabbat= the first weekday of the approaching Shabbat= sunday
Yom Sheini B'Shabbat= the second weekday of the approaching Shabbat= monday
Yom Sh'lishi B'Shabbat= the third weekday of the approaching Shabbat= tuesday
Yom Revi'i B'Shabbat= the fourth weekday of the approaching Shabbat= wednesday
Yom Chamishi B'Shabbat= the fifth weekday of the approaching Shabbat= thursday
Yom Shishi B'Shabbat= the sixth weekday of the approaching Shabbat= friday
Shabbat= Sabbath= saturday
so in both languages god is stating the same day... first day of the week... being sunday.
keeping this in mind...
2 peter 1:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
and also
2 timothy 3:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
god bless
