The Israel of God

[majorjones]

zonedout...

Aww...wassa matta wiff da heathen beeby...? Can't figure out da diffewance between the twuff an da cwap you put out am???
Clue 1: don't EVAH wissen to you or "notpwofitable"....neever one of you has a cwue what you is tawkin' bout....!!!

Hahahahaha!!!!!

 

[majorjones]

notprofitable...

Blah, blah, blah...
Sell it to satan...

 

[BradC]

'gnostic gap'? Do you know the meaning of 'gnostic'? I don't see any relevance. All of the above could relate to any 'Christian denomination' - all were taught by men, family members told you, or you heard of it somewhere, or was taught in your churches.
What do you consider the 'mystery' of the Church? The mystery is the 'body of Christ' and how all who believe make up that 'body' with Christ as the 'head'. The mystery is the Church and if it was kept secret then no one knew about it until Paul received revelation from Jesus Christ. . . which is what is said in Romans. The Church, the body of Christ, Christ in each born again believer. . . . Israel is kept in blindness until the

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Romans 11:25

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. Romans 16:25

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom (the hidden), which God ordained before the world unto our glory. . . 1 Cor. 2:7

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ . . . .Galatians 1:12 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which would afterward be revealed. (shut up - sunklao - 1. to shut up together, a. of a shoal of fishes in a net) 2. to shut up on all sides, shut up completely (ummm - shut up on all sides; isn't a 'gap' shut up on all sides? but I prefer to call it not a 'gap' - just a 'mystery' which is more scriptural)

Ephesians 3:3,5 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, . . .(Gal. 1:12) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy prophets by the Spirit.

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:26,27

For any of them to allow what you have said in this post to enter into their understanding would be considered evil and heresy and they want no part of being associated with it or with those who propagate it. They are calling what God meant for good to be evil and it comes from the very same nature and source that motivated the religious crowd of Jesus day when what he spoke and did was considered by them to be blasphemous and of the devil. This is exactly what it is and it is unfruitful and we should have nothing to do with it. What do you think Jesus meant when he told them in (Mt 3:8) to bring forth fruit meet for repentance? The wisdom from above is full of mercy and good fruits in James 3:17. Do you see this in the doctrine and practice of those who oppose that which God has promised to his people Israel? Is not the goodness of God that which leads to the fruit of repentance (Room 2:4)? Israel needs to have grace and mercy granted to them for repentance and those of Israel as a nation and people who rejected the first coming of Christ will be granted repentance at the second coming unto salvation. This is the greatness of God's mercy but these reject that for Israel and want no part of a God who is going to restore Israel 100%. They despise the very thought that God would do such a thing for a people who rejected and crucified Christ. In their eyes there is no Israel, no people of Israel and no land that belongs to them in this life or the next to come. They do not see with the eyes of the Father or the Son.

 

[zone]

we should have nothing to do with it

then give it up and find another hobby.

 

[zone]

The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)

by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

14 ἐμοὶ δὲ μὴ γένοιτο καυχᾶσθαι εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾽ οὗ ἐμοὶ κόσμος ἐσταύρωται κἀγὼ κόσμῳ. 15 οὔτε γὰρ περιτομή τί ἐστιν οὔτε ἀκροβυστία, ἀλλὰ καινὴ κτίσις. 16 καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.




The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This is a major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics. C.I. Scofield in his tract, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth (New York, Loizeaux Brothers, 1888) wrote, "Comparing, then, what is said in Scripture concerning Israel and the Church, [a careful Bible student ] finds that in origin, calling, promise, worship, principles of conduct, and future destiny--all is contrast." Likewise Charles Ryrie in his book Dispensationalism Today (Chicago, 1965) explained that the "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity." (pp. 44-45).

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) < click

WHO IS THE ISRAEL OF GOD?

this is not a trick question.

 

[unclefester]

What do you think Jesus meant when he told them in (Mt 3:8) to bring forth fruit meet for repentance?

What's it matter ? According to you, "all Israel" (the nation) is saved at his second coming ... after they see Him descend in the clouds.

 

[Braveheartgal]

Well, people can be saved DURING the tribulation period, AND they will have to be beheaded for their faith, but when Christ returns for the second time, I believe it will be too late.

 

[Braveheartgal]

I do not believe we are in the Tribulation period and Jacob's trouble has not yet begun. That is my opinion.

 

[Braveheartgal]

Zone, why do you use the phrase "xians". I know what it is referring to, but I've only seen specific groups/organizations of people use that term. I wont say here which kind, but I am just curious what your use of it means?

 

[BradC]

What's it matter ? According to you, "all Israel" (the nation) is saved at his second coming ... after they see Him descend in the clouds.

You are being sarcastic, just give an answer if you can, if not, let others.

 

[zone]

Zone, why do you use the phrase "xians". I know what it is referring to, but I've only seen specific groups/organizations of people use that term. I wont say here which kind, but I am just curious what your use of it means?

i believe Christian Zionism (Dispensationalism) is heresy, and is not Christianity.
it was founded by Darby and other false teachers; and took root through the counterfeit Scofield Reference Bible
so sometimes i refer to the cult as Xtian Zionists....removing Christ from that mess.


Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace
Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace < click

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[video=youtube;IO6VpMYAVms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6VpMYAVms[/video]

The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

Uploaded on Nov 18, 2011
Ever wonder why so many Christians support America's many wars, especially in the Middle East? A new Christianity has emerged from the Twentieth Century called Christian Zionism or what could be called, "Angry Evangelicalism," or "Dispensationalism on Steroids." What motivates a nationally known, evangelical preacher like John Hagee to call for a preemptive strike against Iran when it is contrary to what Jesus taught and commanded his followers to do? This "Roots of Zionism" presentation may be the first of its kind with a factual explanation of how Christianity's latest apostate epidemic was launched with the publishing of C. I. Scofield's reference Bible in 1909, and the influence of the notes in it. While purposefully reaching and helping many under Christian Zionist influence by featuring its identification and cure, this 2nd edition offers hope to all people, regardless of faith, who may also wish to leave it's grasp. Film clips include action inside Gaza Strip and a moving interview with Shareen, a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza. Check out our website: whtt.org for the latest news on Christian Zionism and the "Angry" evangelicals.

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Dispensationalism: A Return to Biblical Theology or Pseudo Christian Cult

"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."

- John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.

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Dr. John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth
A Book Review by Dr. Stanford E. Murrell, Pastor
http://www.sounddoctrine.net/stanford/Wrongly Dividing.pdf < click

 

[GISMYS]

BEWARE!!! DO NOT LET SATAN USE YOU AS HIS TOO AND FOOL=THE COST IS FAR TO HIGH!!!

 

[zone]

I do not believe we are in the Tribulation period and Jacob's trouble has not yet begun. That is my opinion.

hi Braveheartgal;
Jacob`s Trouble is touched on here:

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Praise God it`s long over.
Jews and Gentiles both are invited through the Gospel to eternal life.

 

[GISMYS]

ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED!!ROMANS 11:25-32==[SUP] [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, [SUP]31 [/SUP]even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. [SUP]32 [/SUP]For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
[SUP]34 [/SUP]“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
[SUP]35 [/SUP]“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”

[SUP]36 [/SUP]For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

 

[Braveheartgal]

Hi zone , this is just a respectful inquiry, and please all who read this respond respectfully, thank you:
Yes, that is correct Daniel does speak of Jacob's Trouble as well as other parts of the Bible (unless I am mistaken), that speak of that period of time, namely 'The Tribulation'.

Part of the scripture you posted states: "finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins", and also "to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy".

The scriptures I put in parenthesis, have not completely been accomplished yet. Yes Jesus made an atonement for sin, but there has not been an "end to sins" as of yet; additionally, "everlasting righteousness" has not yet been established, and the very last portion, says to "seal up", I believe in another part, it's sealed up until the time of the end.

From what I understand and have been taught, only 69 of the 70 weeks of Daniel have been fulfilled and the 70th week will be the official 'Great Tribulation'. I am certain the Bible lists it as "Great". From my understanding we have been in the "Last Days for a long time now."

I am trying to find out, what parts you saw that the Tribulation/Jacob's Trouble (for the are one and the same), has begun already? I have come to a different conclusion. Can you please elaborate a little? Thanks.

hi Braveheartgal;
Jacob`s Trouble is touched on here:

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Praise God it`s long over.
Jews and Gentiles both are invited through the Gospel to eternal life.

 

[Braveheartgal]

Thanks for the answser, I will study what you've written on that, and check out your links. That still doesn't explain the use of "Xian". Since from my understanding it is an abbreviation of the word Christian right?

i believe Christian Zionism (Dispensationalism) is heresy, and is not Christianity.
it was founded by Darby and other false teachers; and took root through the counterfeit Scofield Reference Bible
so sometimes i refer to the cult as Xtian Zionists....removing Christ from that mess.


Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace
Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace < click

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[video=youtube;IO6VpMYAVms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6VpMYAVms[/video]

The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

Uploaded on Nov 18, 2011
Ever wonder why so many Christians support America's many wars, especially in the Middle East? A new Christianity has emerged from the Twentieth Century called Christian Zionism or what could be called, "Angry Evangelicalism," or "Dispensationalism on Steroids." What motivates a nationally known, evangelical preacher like John Hagee to call for a preemptive strike against Iran when it is contrary to what Jesus taught and commanded his followers to do? This "Roots of Zionism" presentation may be the first of its kind with a factual explanation of how Christianity's latest apostate epidemic was launched with the publishing of C. I. Scofield's reference Bible in 1909, and the influence of the notes in it. While purposefully reaching and helping many under Christian Zionist influence by featuring its identification and cure, this 2nd edition offers hope to all people, regardless of faith, who may also wish to leave it's grasp. Film clips include action inside Gaza Strip and a moving interview with Shareen, a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza. Check out our website: whtt.org for the latest news on Christian Zionism and the "Angry" evangelicals.

...

Dispensationalism: A Return to Biblical Theology or Pseudo Christian Cult

"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."

- John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.

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Dr. John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth
A Book Review by Dr. Stanford E. Murrell, Pastor
http://www.sounddoctrine.net/stanford/Wrongly Dividing.pdf < click

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Hi zone , this is just a respectful inquiry, and please all who read this respond respectfully, thank you:
Yes, that is correct Daniel does speak of Jacob's Trouble as well as other parts of the Bible (unless I am mistaken), that speak of that period of time, namely 'The Tribulation'.

Part of the scripture you posted states: "finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins", and also "to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy".

The scriptures I put in parenthesis, have not completely been accomplished yet. Yes Jesus made an atonement for sin, but there has not been an "end to sins" as of yet; additionally, "everlasting righteousness" has not yet been established, and the very last portion, says to "seal up", I believe in another part, it's sealed up until the time of the end.

From what I understand and have been taught, only 69 of the 70 weeks of Daniel have been fulfilled and the 70th week will be the official 'Great Tribulation'. I am certain the Bible lists it as "Great". From my understanding we have been in the "Last Days for a long time now."

I am trying to find out, what parts you saw that the Tribulation/Jacob's Trouble (for the are one and the same), has begun already? I have come to a different conclusion. Can you please elaborate a little? Thanks.

I am glad that you pointed that out Braveheartgal . . . I saw the same but zone believes all has been fulfilled. As for the Xtian that is a label that she gives to dispensationalist:

zone: "i believe Christian Zionism (Dispensationalism) is heresy, and is not Christianity . . . . so sometimes i refer to the cult as Xtian Zionists....removing Christ from that mess."

I am a dispensationalist and I don't even know what a Christian Zionist is! lol. . . . . God bless you in your studies.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Hi zone , this is just a respectful inquiry, and please all who read this respond respectfully, thank you:
Yes, that is correct Daniel does speak of Jacob's Trouble as well as other parts of the Bible (unless I am mistaken), that speak of that period of time, namely 'The Tribulation'.

Part of the scripture you posted states: "finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins", and also "to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy".

The scriptures I put in parenthesis, have not completely been accomplished yet. Yes Jesus made an atonement for sin, but there has not been an "end to sins" as of yet; additionally, "everlasting righteousness" has not yet been established, and the very last portion, says to "seal up", I believe in another part, it's sealed up until the time of the end.

From what I understand and have been taught, only 69 of the 70 weeks of Daniel have been fulfilled and the 70th week will be the official 'Great Tribulation'. I am certain the Bible lists it as "Great". From my understanding we have been in the "Last Days for a long time now."

I am trying to find out, what parts you saw that the Tribulation/Jacob's Trouble (for the are one and the same), has begun already? I have come to a different conclusion. Can you please elaborate a little? Thanks.

BHG
Why do you believe that the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy did not start at the end of the 69th week?
Was Daniel a lying prophet?
Who taught you that?

Daniel's 70th wk, is given in two 3 and 1/2 year periods.
Which suggests there is a break between them, not an unknown gap of thousands of years.
but there is no break between the 69th year and the 70 year!
so they are begun one after another, 69th week, 70th week.
Which means the last half of this 70 wk prophecy,
will be fulfilled within the same time period it began.

This 70th wk brings us to the time of Messiah; Jesus 3 and 1/2 yr ministry,
where He is cut off in the middle of the week.
with a break of 40 years, to the timeline of the Holocaust and destruction of the Temple by Titus.
and your last 3 and 1/2 yrs of Daniel's 70th week.


WOW!, Who would have thought it! The time period of Jesus and the Early Church!
{OMG}: Roll out the Press, how can it be folks!
Why would God, have His beloved Prophet Daniel, prophecy to the beleaguered captives of Babylon,
of the prophetic timeline of their Messiah, Who was promised to them in the days of Adam!

OH My GOODNESS! STOP IT! YOU WANT TO TAKE PROPHECY AND CAST IT INTO THE UNKNOWN FUTURE!
WHERE DID EVERYTHING GO I'M IN A WHIRLING DERBY!
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS THE GNOSTIC JESUS OF THE FUTURE,
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND THE JEWS WHO DIED FOLLOWING HIM!

You might ought to find a new Teacher, Sister, that's my humble opinion.

many blessings

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

'gnostic gap'? Do you know the meaning of 'gnostic'? I don't see any relevance. All of the above could relate to any 'Christian denomination' - all were taught by men, family members told you, or you heard of it somewhere, or was taught in your churches.
What do you consider the 'mystery' of the Church? The mystery is the 'body of Christ' and how all who believe make up that 'body' with Christ as the 'head'. The mystery is the Church and if it was kept secret then no one knew about it until Paul received revelation from Jesus Christ. . . which is what is said in Romans. The Church, the body of Christ, Christ in each born again believer. . . . Israel is kept in blindness until the

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Romans 11:25

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. Romans 16:25

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom (the hidden), which God ordained before the world unto our glory. . . 1 Cor. 2:7

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ . . . .Galatians 1:12 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which would afterward be revealed. (shut up - sunklao - 1. to shut up together, a. of a shoal of fishes in a net) 2. to shut up on all sides, shut up completely (ummm - shut up on all sides; isn't a 'gap' shut up on all sides? but I prefer to call it not a 'gap' - just a 'mystery' which is more scriptural)

Ephesians 3:3,5 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, . . .(Gal. 1:12) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy prophets by the Spirit.

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:26,27

Your a Hoot Peaceful!
Yes I know what a Gnostic is, thank you.
and thank you for all those Scriptures that was rolling around in your head!

The Gnostic Gap is a rabbit hole.

The Dispensationalist in the 18th century proclaimed it was indeed the last days but they lied to Church and world.
as they did in the 19th Century; as they did in the 20th Century; as they are doing now in 21st Century!

No all of the above in my other post could not be about any other church; maybe cults.

The last days, latter days, end of days; 2nd coming, or rapture,
are usually followed by immediately; in a blink of an eye; as lighting shines in the east and is seen in the west!

My, My! The Holy Spirit must be nothing but a liar, in the Dispensational Churches!
For almost 300 years the Holy Spirit in these people have done nothing but lie!
I guess it's the Holy Spirit? What else could it be? maybe, let's see; no possibly,
THE DEVIL! Sorry i had to do that!

Now, let's hear you weave another excuse!

But then your in the rabbit hole! Never mind !@$%$^*^*__

 

[SarahM777]

Chosen,

If Revelation is to be taken LITERALLY please explain how you can fit a 200,000,000 men army into ISREAL,let along Megiddo and the Valley of Jezreel? Please explain how you would get a 200,000,000 men army from East of the Euphrates,without roads,going through a number of mountain ranges and deserts,supplying food and water,and gasoline to support the troops. (By the way the closet country or area with a population base that is large enough to supply those kind of numbers,East of the Euphrates is INDIA over 2,000 miles away if your talking China you have to go through the Himalayas first before going Pakistan,Afghanistan,Iran,Iraq,Jordan or Syria before ever getting to Israel. How would they be able to support all those men with food,water and gasoline over those distances?

Bump,

By the way most have put the bowl judgments BEFORE this army crosses the Euphrates. The down side to that is there is NO FOOD or WATER left,and on top of that the earth earth has been through major earth changing earthquakes that changes the face of the earth,and yet that army is to go over 450 miles through DESERT LAND WITHOUT WATER and yet still be able to build stuff to cross the Jordan river.

By the way if it is the Chinese then is God protecting that army from the judgments as they only boast that they can have an army of 200,000,00 men now or if they also feel the effects of the judgments and 2/3 of them perish wouldn't that mean that army would have to start with 600,000,000 men or would they be protected so they can endure the entire tribulation?

By the way you also have the problem of the Indians,Pakistanis,and the Russians all having nukes. If they were to take the Northern route to by pass the Himalayas they would be going through SIBERIA and the only transportation is the Trans Siberian Railroad. If they take the Southern route they have to pass through India. Once they come to Pakistan and Afghanistan that is all MUSLIM territory to the West and how do they avoid a Jihad against them? Can you please explain how the Chinese would somehow avoid a nuclear war with any of those countries and somehow manage to end up with a 200,000,000 man army still standing when they reach the Euphrates? That is the reality of what they would be facing to get there.