King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)
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// WOW, I would have never expected that answer, to be coming from you.//
Of course not, look at your posts here, you are commingling the inheritances of the saints, as well as their fitting & function in Christ.
//But you say "more of a wolf" //
No, I absolutely did not.
// Have you never heard of the expression "a wolf in sheep's clothing"? //
I sure have, hence "be cautious of the Christians", (some of them attribute doctrine to us that is not about us.)
All of the bible is FOR us, our admonition & our learning. But, all of the bible is not TO us or ABOUT us. "Let no man beguile you"- if something is different, it is not the same.
// And*other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and*there will be one flock*and*one shepherd.THERE IS CHRIST REFERRING TO US CHURCH-AGE GENTILE CHRISTIANS AS HIS OTHER SHEEP.*//
No, He is not. He is speaking of something entirely different.
This is exactly why the preservation of the arrangement of the books of the bible are important to note. Study to shew thyself approved, "prove" what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, "be not conformed to this world" meaning the influence behind the religious system.
Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths. There is a way*which*seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the "issues of life."
Of course not, look at your posts here, you are commingling the inheritances of the saints, as well as their fitting & function in Christ.
//But you say "more of a wolf" //
No, I absolutely did not.
// Have you never heard of the expression "a wolf in sheep's clothing"? //
I sure have, hence "be cautious of the Christians", (some of them attribute doctrine to us that is not about us.)
All of the bible is FOR us, our admonition & our learning. But, all of the bible is not TO us or ABOUT us. "Let no man beguile you"- if something is different, it is not the same.
// And*other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and*there will be one flock*and*one shepherd.THERE IS CHRIST REFERRING TO US CHURCH-AGE GENTILE CHRISTIANS AS HIS OTHER SHEEP.*//
No, He is not. He is speaking of something entirely different.
This is exactly why the preservation of the arrangement of the books of the bible are important to note. Study to shew thyself approved, "prove" what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, "be not conformed to this world" meaning the influence behind the religious system.
Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths. There is a way*which*seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the "issues of life."
Just seeing this, and praise God. I know & trust you are in good hands as you work out your own salvation, that being the salvation of the mind with that spirit that is of God (1 Cor 2:12, see the little "s") that is your new spirit, the holy Spirit of promise you became sealed with until the day of redemption (Eph 1:13-14). Stand, on the right foundation, build using the form that is after a pattern. It will be a struggle, do not allow outside influence to clip any part of your cocoon, rely on God, rest in grace & take it slow and steady, stay off the crazy train, lol. I am just beginning to fly myself. The bible is not for proving all things of this world, but it is for instruction in righteousness according to God's purpose and plan of Glory. We are not as many who corrupt the word of God, mark those of the "ensample", that being a taste of the portion of a greater whole. This is not about appearance in the flesh, "know we no man after the flesh"
One time, (I never doubted the existence of God, even when I hated Him & rejected Him) in all my years as a believer in God, after I came to have a type of faith and became a Christian, then a churched person, before I was saved, one night I doubted, (God knows, it is okay to be honest, in fact it is necessary to be) it was because of the craziness, the crazy Christians. I was quick to recover myself, with God's help, now I just have to accept the position under the Christian umbrella, but not the religious system. It is a system of labels & division for a reason, a house that is divided will not stand. Unity is in the faith of Christ, not Christian "faiths".
One time, (I never doubted the existence of God, even when I hated Him & rejected Him) in all my years as a believer in God, after I came to have a type of faith and became a Christian, then a churched person, before I was saved, one night I doubted, (God knows, it is okay to be honest, in fact it is necessary to be) it was because of the craziness, the crazy Christians. I was quick to recover myself, with God's help, now I just have to accept the position under the Christian umbrella, but not the religious system. It is a system of labels & division for a reason, a house that is divided will not stand. Unity is in the faith of Christ, not Christian "faiths".
Let me ask you this, do you understand any of these verses?
Romans 15:20 (NRSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Thus I make it my ambition to proclaim the good news, not where Christ has already been named, so that I do not build on someone else's foundation,
John 10:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] A thief comes only to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they may have life and have it in abundance.
1 Peter 5:8-9 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
Luke 10:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves.
1 Peter 2:25 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
Romans 8:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] As it is written: Because of You we are being put to death all day long; we are counted as sheep to be slaughtered.
Acts 20:29-30 (ESV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
Below is why you cannot understand them. But first I want to invite you to COME! Admit to GOD that you are a sinner, and then really RECEIVE Him (JESUS CHRIST) into your heart as LORD, which means MASTER. He is standing at the door to your heart, knocking, but you have to open the door to your heart and receive HIM. None of us can do it for you. COME!
1 Corinthians 2:10-16 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Romans 15:20 (NRSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Thus I make it my ambition to proclaim the good news, not where Christ has already been named, so that I do not build on someone else's foundation,
John 10:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] A thief comes only to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they may have life and have it in abundance.
1 Peter 5:8-9 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
Luke 10:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves.
1 Peter 2:25 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
Romans 8:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] As it is written: Because of You we are being put to death all day long; we are counted as sheep to be slaughtered.
Acts 20:29-30 (ESV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
Below is why you cannot understand them. But first I want to invite you to COME! Admit to GOD that you are a sinner, and then really RECEIVE Him (JESUS CHRIST) into your heart as LORD, which means MASTER. He is standing at the door to your heart, knocking, but you have to open the door to your heart and receive HIM. None of us can do it for you. COME!
1 Corinthians 2:10-16 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
LOL.
That reminds me of a true experience I had. I was in the local Christian Book Store one day browsing. And the owner was very busy at the cash register when an elderly lady came in to ask about buying a new Bible. So the owner turned to me and said, "Could you help her, because I know you know my Bible section as well as I do." I agreed and walked with her back to the Bible section,
and I asked, "Which Version of the Bible do you want to buy?"
And she actually replied, "WHY, the King James of course, because that is the language my LORD spoke?"
I tried to explain, "No, He spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, and maybe some Greek, depending on His education growing up."
She grew angry, glared at me, and turned and walked out of the Christian Book Store without buying a Bible.
That reminds me of a true experience I had. I was in the local Christian Book Store one day browsing. And the owner was very busy at the cash register when an elderly lady came in to ask about buying a new Bible. So the owner turned to me and said, "Could you help her, because I know you know my Bible section as well as I do." I agreed and walked with her back to the Bible section,
and I asked, "Which Version of the Bible do you want to buy?"
And she actually replied, "WHY, the King James of course, because that is the language my LORD spoke?"
I tried to explain, "No, He spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, and maybe some Greek, depending on His education growing up."
She grew angry, glared at me, and turned and walked out of the Christian Book Store without buying a Bible.
Do you Believe in the Doctrine of the HOLY TRINITY?
Do you Believe the SPIRIT part of JESUS is part of GOD HIMSELF?
Do you Believe in the physical Death on the Cross of Jesus HIMSELF?
Do you Believe in the physical bodily Resurrection of Jesus HIMSELF?
Do you Believe in totally submitting to Jesus Christ as LORD and MASTER?
Do you Believe that SALVATION is by GOD's Grace only, thru the gift of GOD our Faith?
Do you Believe in the Everlasting Torment of the Lake of Fire (HELL) for Unbelievers?
Do you Believe the Reality of Jesus Returning to Call Us Out to meet HIM in the Air?
Do you Believe in the PHYSICAL Return of JESUS CHRIST to EARTH to Reign as KING on David's Throne for 1000 Years?
What is this, I do not agree with some of the words and/or positioning of the words. Could you add a Scripture reference to each statement, that would help greatly. Would you be so kind, please use the King James Bible when you address me, I only use kjv for doctrine, plus only also we can share in the same words. I am having a problem with trusting you to be honest in your dealings. You misappropriated my words earlier and I see you used certain translations that had wording to fit your doctrinal points of view. If this is some kind of Christian statement of faith for "true Christians", I will have you know I consider every person on this board or otherwise that claim Christ or the God of the Bible to be True Christians, I don't like the word "true" before Christian, we are all Christians. I prefer thinking of Christians as lost or saved. Thank you.
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What I quoted you are the CORE BELIEFS of Mainline Christianity.
Because you have made several statements that sound anti-Christian to me, unless I misunderstood you.
I am trying to establish whether you are involved in a Mainline Christian Church, or just a psuedo Christian cult.
I am involved in the Non-Denominational Conservative Evangelical style of Christian Church, and I recognize all Mainline Christian Churches, including the Catholics, as being valid Christian Churches. So what Church do you go to?
Here is the Doctrinal Statement of Faith from the most famous such Pastor in the USA and I whole heartedly agree with it:
Grace to You
Show me YOUR statement of faith, too please.
As for your request that I ONLY address you with Scriptures from Your PREFERRED Version of the Bible, the KJV. I want to know, does that mean you will return the courtesy and only address me with Scriptures one my three favorite Versions, the NKJV, the NASB, or the HCSB? I will wait for your answer before I begin.
As for your theory that everyone that wants to use the title Christian, is a Christian; that is not what the Bible says:
Galatians 2:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),
Jude 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Matthew 7:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 7:21-23 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
2 Corinthians 11:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2 Peter 2:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
Galatians 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
1 Corinthians 16:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
2 John 1:10-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
No, your theory is not what the Bible teaches at all.
You may or may not remember the theologian Dr. Dave Hunt, but back in the mid 80s, I saw him on TV talking about his book "The Seduction of Christianity" (still available on Amazon), he made the following statement about the main problem in the Church today:
"I know for sure if a Witch Doctor came into this Church dressed in war paint and feathers, and tried to take over this pulpit; two of you men would grab him by each arm and promptly throw him out the door. However, if the same man came into this Church dressed in a suite and tie, totting a King James Bible, you would listen to him all day long."
What I quoted you are the CORE BELIEFS of Mainline Christianity.
Because you have made several statements that sound anti-Christian to me, unless I misunderstood you.
I am trying to establish whether you are involved in a Mainline Christian Church, or just a psuedo Christian cult.
I am involved in the Non-Denominational Conservative Evangelical style of Christian Church, and I recognize all Mainline Christian Churches, including the Catholics, as being valid Christian Churches. So what Church do you go to?
Here is the Doctrinal Statement of Faith from the most famous such Pastor in the USA and I whole heartedly agree with it:
Grace to You
Show me YOUR statement of faith, too please.
As for your request that I ONLY address you with Scriptures from Your PREFERRED Version of the Bible, the KJV. I want to know, does that mean you will return the courtesy and only address me with Scriptures one my three favorite Versions, the NKJV, the NASB, or the HCSB? I will wait for your answer before I begin.
As for your theory that everyone that wants to use the title Christian, is a Christian; that is not what the Bible says:
Galatians 2:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),
Jude 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Matthew 7:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 7:21-23 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
2 Corinthians 11:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2 Peter 2:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
Galatians 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
1 Corinthians 16:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
2 John 1:10-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
No, your theory is not what the Bible teaches at all.
You may or may not remember the theologian Dr. Dave Hunt, but back in the mid 80s, I saw him on TV talking about his book "The Seduction of Christianity" (still available on Amazon), he made the following statement about the main problem in the Church today:
"I know for sure if a Witch Doctor came into this Church dressed in war paint and feathers, and tried to take over this pulpit; two of you men would grab him by each arm and promptly throw him out the door. However, if the same man came into this Church dressed in a suite and tie, totting a King James Bible, you would listen to him all day long."
I don't agree that your sentences are the core beliefs for doctrine or testimony. The wording certainly is funky. The lake of fire is not hell, we all know hell is cast into the lake of fire. The gospel of the grace of God is what saves, not believing or confessing eschatology. What is that mess in sentence #6?! It's as if you are trying to say Eph 2:8, but then not exactly. Disciples, believers of the way, were first called Christians at Antioch, period. This does not mean more than being recognized as Christians by the world. Paul called believers, beloved, saints, etc.
Try this,
5*Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
*Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
50*And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
We have a holy calling to be ambassadors for Christ, with the gospel of the grace of God. Ambassadors do not assimilate, nor do we infiltrate, we walk honestly in the sight of God before men and hold forth the word of life in Christ's stead. Christ said,"Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am in the midst of them."
We are the Church, we are God's building, the Church the body of Christ. Which btw, is not called a her in the KJV, but I am sure you knew that when you posted Ephesians 5:22-33 earlier. I am sorry, I don't trust you. And it is ok if you feel the same way about me, God knows I have dealt honestly with our words & His words.
Try this,
5*Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
*Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
50*And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
We have a holy calling to be ambassadors for Christ, with the gospel of the grace of God. Ambassadors do not assimilate, nor do we infiltrate, we walk honestly in the sight of God before men and hold forth the word of life in Christ's stead. Christ said,"Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am in the midst of them."
We are the Church, we are God's building, the Church the body of Christ. Which btw, is not called a her in the KJV, but I am sure you knew that when you posted Ephesians 5:22-33 earlier. I am sorry, I don't trust you. And it is ok if you feel the same way about me, God knows I have dealt honestly with our words & His words.
t t t
Those certainly are the core beliefs of all mainline Christian Churches. Go to a website of each of the major denominations and you will find the Statement of Faith almost Reads identical.
Hell is not cast into the Lake of fire, every modern translation corrected the KJV boo boo, to Hades.
Sentence six is one of the most important of the CORE of Beliefs and it strictly based on:
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Oh there is a LOT more to the name Christian than an title you can put on your Name Tag. It was originally meant as an insult meaning "Oh they are just trying to be little imitators of their teacher Christ." What they meant as an insult, we took pride in and kept it.
John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Received HIM as what?
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
It is NOT a confession unless it is something you have ALREADY DONE IN YOUR HEART. No willing surrender in your heart to Jesus as LORD which means Master, ONLY equals a profession and NOT a confession.
1 John 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
In all of your dancing around the questions that I asked, you avoided answering the questions directly, just like a lot of politions. SO let me shorten an simplify the LIST to two questions:
This is an Statement of Faith excerpt from Dr. Charles Stanley's Church, on what they believe about the Holy Trinity.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS DOCTRINAL STATEMENT ON THE HOLY TRINITY?
The Godhead (Trinity)
We believe in one true God eternally existing in three distinct persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) each of Whom is fully and equally God; possesses all of the divine nature and attributes, and is totally worthy of our worship and service
(Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; John 1:14, John 10:30; 2 Cor. 13:14).
What Church Denomination or Religious Organization are you affiliated with and can you give us their Statement of Faith?
Those certainly are the core beliefs of all mainline Christian Churches. Go to a website of each of the major denominations and you will find the Statement of Faith almost Reads identical.
Hell is not cast into the Lake of fire, every modern translation corrected the KJV boo boo, to Hades.
Sentence six is one of the most important of the CORE of Beliefs and it strictly based on:
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Oh there is a LOT more to the name Christian than an title you can put on your Name Tag. It was originally meant as an insult meaning "Oh they are just trying to be little imitators of their teacher Christ." What they meant as an insult, we took pride in and kept it.
John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Received HIM as what?
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
It is NOT a confession unless it is something you have ALREADY DONE IN YOUR HEART. No willing surrender in your heart to Jesus as LORD which means Master, ONLY equals a profession and NOT a confession.
1 John 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
In all of your dancing around the questions that I asked, you avoided answering the questions directly, just like a lot of politions. SO let me shorten an simplify the LIST to two questions:
This is an Statement of Faith excerpt from Dr. Charles Stanley's Church, on what they believe about the Holy Trinity.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS DOCTRINAL STATEMENT ON THE HOLY TRINITY?
The Godhead (Trinity)
We believe in one true God eternally existing in three distinct persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) each of Whom is fully and equally God; possesses all of the divine nature and attributes, and is totally worthy of our worship and service
(Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; John 1:14, John 10:30; 2 Cor. 13:14).
What Church Denomination or Religious Organization are you affiliated with and can you give us their Statement of Faith?
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Although we don't have the originals, scholars can take a good guess as to what the originals probably said by comparing all the copies that do exist. None of the oldest copies have those verses, so they made the assumption that this verse was probably not in the original.
However, if they did find a copy that was older than the ones they have now, and it had that verse in it, then they probably would include it in the text of the various modern translations, and include a footnote that says it wasn't in all of the copies or something like that.
The Bible translators go by evidence. They're not just making up what should and shouldn't go in the Bible. If they did this, and the theologically liberal scholars had their way, they would take out almost all of John, and they would add in the "gospel" of Thomas. But they don't do this because they know that the oldest copies have John in them, and Thomas cannot be dated to be as old as the real Gospels.
However, if they did find a copy that was older than the ones they have now, and it had that verse in it, then they probably would include it in the text of the various modern translations, and include a footnote that says it wasn't in all of the copies or something like that.
The Bible translators go by evidence. They're not just making up what should and shouldn't go in the Bible. If they did this, and the theologically liberal scholars had their way, they would take out almost all of John, and they would add in the "gospel" of Thomas. But they don't do this because they know that the oldest copies have John in them, and Thomas cannot be dated to be as old as the real Gospels.
