This is for athiest to ask questions

Grandpa · Dec 31, 2013

John 6:43-47
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Mark 9:23-24

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

majorjones · Dec 31, 2013

I have a question....

Why are "atheists" even permitted to sign up on here? Are any ONE of you SERIOUSLY considering becoming a Christian? The "ONLY" reason you are here is to mock, belittle, and sow discord among the brethren. You know it, we know it, and GOD knows it. Why the site owners even tolerate your damned to hell souls is beyond me. You are anti-christs, and do this to your own eternal destruction.

And if that "TRUTH" is too blunt for you people, then ban ME, I really don't care any more! This is CRAZY!!!

doseofreality · Dec 31, 2013

majorjones said:

I appreciate your candor but the thread is labeled "This is for atheists to ask questions".
I signed up because I want to challenge christians to ask the big questions, as a former christian I believe I can understand the arguments presented here and am only questioning what and more importantly why they believe what they believe.

It is not my intention to mock or belittle but do not christians mock the secular worldview in the same way?

doseofreality · Dec 31, 2013

Grandpa said:

The book of Job
Psalm 139

Deuteronomy 33:27 The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Here is the fundamental issue, your answers come from Scripture, yet Scripture itself are unsubstantiated claims. Hence the follow up question... How do you know what is written in the Bible is true and accurate?

majorjones · Dec 31, 2013

Doseofreality...

You were NEVER a "Christian" or you'd still BE a Christian. You never "knew" Jesus, and He never "knew" you.

And to translate what you wrote, you're here to "disprove", not "challenge", God and His holy word and to "attempt" to pull others into the fiery pit with you...THAT'S the plain truth, isn't it? To cause believers to doubt? To pull believers away from what YOU consider utter foolishness? To make them feel like they're crazy for believing such unsubstansiated nonsense in our modern age of enlightenment???

And I think if a heathen like you and these other demoniacs can invade an entire WEBSITE, I can intrude on your little satanic thread...

Grandpa · Dec 31, 2013

doseofreality said:

Personal experience.

I read it. I ask the Lord to help me to understand. I pray for wisdom and knowledge and revelation of Him and He blesses me exceedingly more than I can think or ask.

By faith... If you start off with just a little He gives you more, if you ask.

Grandpa · Dec 31, 2013

majorjones said:

Doseofreality...

You were NEVER a "Christian" or you'd still BE a Christian. You never "knew" Jesus, and He never "knew" you.

And to translate what you wrote, you're here to "disprove", not "challenge", God and His holy word and to "attempt" to pull others into the fiery pit with you...THAT'S the plain truth, isn't it? To cause believers to doubt? To pull believers away from what YOU consider utter foolishness? To make them feel like they're crazy for believing such unsubstansiated nonsense in our modern age of enlightenment???

And I think if a heathen like you and these other demoniacs can invade an entire WEBSITE, I can intrude on your little satanic thread...

The cross is foolishness to them who don't believe, but for us that do it is the Power of God.

megaman125 · Dec 31, 2013

IntoTheVoid said:

There were plenty of people 2000 years ago that didn't accept Jesus when they heard about Him. To pretend that there were no atheists 2000 years ago is rather foolish.

IntoTheVoid said:

Atheists are frequently under the masapprehension that there's absolutely nothing outside of the Bible that verifies the text within the Bible. In reality they just remain willingly blind to the evidence, and refuse to acknowledge anything they're spoonfed. And in some cases they avoid looking at it altogether, brushing it off as automatically false just becuase whatever evidence doesn't line up with their atheism. Thus they use the circular reasoning falacy that any evidence that might point to the Bible being true is merely false evidence or lies. The Bible is false because any evidence pointing to the Bible being true is a lie, and since that evidence is a lie, the Bible is false and has no evidence to back it up. It would be a rather brilliant argument if its foundation wasn't centered on a logical fallacy like all of the atheists' typical arguments.

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

I see, you don't want a reply with scripture because you see know proof that scripture is true.

Okay so here are some things that verify the truth of scripture.

1. Prophecy.

Ex. Isaiah 11:12
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The book of Isaiah has been found in what are called the dead sea scrolls. Isaiah was carbon dated at the latest 100 B.c. latest 300 B.c.

Israel is the first, and only, country to ever disband entirely and come back.
There are COUNTLESS others that have been fulfilled, but that is the easiest for me to explain.

Also if you look at the law in the OT it is WAY ahead of its time. The concept of washing hands prior to meals, barring all of the dead, and proper disposal of trash was not found to actually do anything beneficial to people until after the plague. In fact the Jews got blamed for the plague because they didn't get it. Also the Jews have been the focal point of SO much in this world, as well as Israel, especially Jerusalem for AGES. The prophecy of tyer is a good one too.

[/FONT][h=3]Ezekiel 26[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Proclamation Against Tyre[/h]26 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, that the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, because Tyre has said against Jerusalem, ‘Aha! She is broken who was the gateway of the peoples; now she is turned over to me; I shall be filled; she is laid waste.’
3 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and will cause many nations to come up against you, as the sea causes its waves to come up. 4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyre and break down her towers; I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. 5 It shall be a place for spreading nets in the midst of the sea, for I have spoken,’ says the Lord God; ‘it shall become plunder for the nations. 6 Also her daughtervillages which are in the fields shall be slain by the sword. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.’
7 “For thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I will bring against Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar[a] king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, with chariots, and with horsemen, and an army with many people. 8 He will slay with the sword your daughter villages in the fields; he will heap up a siege mound against you, build a wall against you, and raise a defense against you. 9 He will direct his battering rams against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers. 10 Because of the abundance of his horses, their dust will cover you; your walls will shake at the noise of the horsemen, the wagons, and the chariots, when he enters your gates, as men enter a city that has been breached.11 With the hooves of his horses he will trample all your streets; he will slay your people by the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 They will plunder your riches and pillage your merchandise; they will break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses; they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water.13 I will put an end to the sound of your songs, and the sound of your harps shall be heard no more. 14 I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets, and you shall never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken,’ says the Lord God.
15 “Thus says the Lord God to Tyre: ‘Will the coastlands not shake at the sound of your fall, when the wounded cry, when slaughter is made in the midst of you? 16 Then all the princes of the sea will come down from their thrones, lay aside their robes, and take off their embroidered garments; they will clothe themselves with trembling; they will sit on the ground, tremble every moment, and be astonished at you. 17 And they will take up a lamentation for you, and say to you:
“How you have perished,
O one inhabited by seafaring men,
O renowned city,
Who was strong at sea,
She and her inhabitants,
Who caused their terror to be on all her inhabitants!
18 Now the coastlands tremble on the day of your fall;
Yes, the coastlands by the sea are troubled at your departure.”’

19 “For thus says the Lord God: ‘When I make you a desolate city, like cities that are not inhabited, when I bring the deep upon you, and great waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. 21 I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God.”

The reason I emphasized the one part is because even if this was written after tyer was destroyed, that part holds true.
"From this twelfth-century A.D.[FONT=Lucida Sans, Lucida Grande, Lucida Sans Unicode, sans-serif] text, then, we learn that by that period of time the city known as ancient Tyre lay completely buried beneath the sea"[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Sans, Lucida Grande, Lucida Sans Unicode, sans-serif]Ancient tyre is gone, and cannot be rebuilt! [/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Sans, Lucida Grande, Lucida Sans Unicode, sans-serif]Most of this is proof for the OT, so now I will prove the NT.[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Sans, Lucida Grande, Lucida Sans Unicode, sans-serif]The best proof I have for this one is that people went out and DIED because they saw Jesus. Historically we can prove Jesus existed. We can prove that some of the disciples existed many of which died, were jailed, tortured, etc, because they were preaching Jesus's name after his death. Who would do that unless they saw him resurrected? It'd be different if it was one delusional man, but MANY did.

Just my thoughts and what tells me the bible must be inspired
Your friend,
Tucksma[/FONT]

Crazylove · Dec 31, 2013

IntoTheVoid said:

No, Satan in all sense wishes to be as mighty as God! Can th creation ever be as powerful as it's creator? Can a painting though given higher respect and glory than th painter, ever paint? This is how Christian view a question lik this. Because He's God is very correct in a lot of stand points.

God is merciful, just, kind, and righteous. We hav to consider his character in full, in order to consider His reasoning. Just lik one would hav to consider th painter in order to understand th reasoning of th painting. Still yet there can b no complete certainty of th reason because we aren't th painter. Hope that helps u c a little more, what i'm about to say?

Satan has tried to out do God in everything! It would seem since he has such power that he's as powerful as God, but we have to look at an important aspect of Satan as well, he loses every time....he doesn't control heaven lik he wanted, he doesn't hav control of God lik he want, and i'm just don't have th energy to name everything, but he is very unsuccessful. God is not ever unsuccessful.

Satan hasn't gotten away with anything. He as has a great punishment a head of him! God being loving and kind gave mankind free will. We can chose to love and accept God or refuse. God allows Satan to do what he does (Satan is ruler of this world in th sense he knows how venerable th human mind is and can control it) so we hav aren't forced to love God, but can chose. Also Satan's attempts only bring more glory to God every time, becuz God by far outshines Satan in whatever Satan tries to do.

"Anything Satan does God can do much better, God can do much better than Him."

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

majorjones said:

Doseofreality...

You were NEVER a "Christian" or you'd still BE a Christian. You never "knew" Jesus, and He never "knew" you.

And to translate what you wrote, you're here to "disprove", not "challenge", God and His holy word and to "attempt" to pull others into the fiery pit with you...THAT'S the plain truth, isn't it? To cause believers to doubt? To pull believers away from what YOU consider utter foolishness? To make them feel like they're crazy for believing such unsubstansiated nonsense in our modern age of enlightenment???

And I think if a heathen like you and these other demoniacs can invade an entire WEBSITE, I can intrude on your little satanic thread...

This is why we don't have more true Christians in today's age. You condemn them when you should try to teach them.

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

Grandpa said:

Personal experience is a great way to confirm your faith, but it won't confirm it to a nonbeliever. I see where you are going, but so many attempted to convince me of the bible based of experience as well and none prevailed. Only once someone showed me prophecy, connections in the bible that no man could write, and meaning that no man could say, did I truly believe.

Crazylove · Dec 31, 2013

doseofreality said:

Because He says it in His Word (th Bible) and God holds his words higher than his name (Ps 138:2)
I can't prove none of ur questions in any way but through th Bible. Which has proven to be very accurate. Th Bible is historical evidence of past events in history, and is just as important as observational science. Without historical science, observational science would be limited. God was there is th beginning and inspired people to write it down.This made th Bible. Is their observational prof? Yes because of how logical, orderly, and complex everything is in our universe. God is logical, orderly, and complex. This is what makes it hard for th human mind to comprehend God.

That being said, I will answer ur questions

God is Spirit (John 4:24)
That's how God is omniscient, because He is a Spirit

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever (1 Tim 1:17)
It only makes sense that th God who created time to be eternal. We know there aren't othr gods bcuz they don't show their self in anyway (power, trustworthy, etc.) and contain within them self no certainty and essence of creation.

This sort of goes back to th first question. I got some questions too to add, can sunlight take up space? Can u still feel it? Th same goes with God.

Oh, how abundant is your goodness (Ps 31:19)
And God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good (suitable, pleasant) Gen 1:31
Once again God is good bcuz He says He is. When He was done creating everything it was good...

2nd answer to queston is neithr. God is good is a fact of God's character(evidence of this all through th Bible). We see this by all th good in our world, that is not tainted by sin. Being that God does not reward evil, but punishes it also shows that He's good. Is it good in th sense of a sinner, of course not. Yet a good God would do such, just as a good judge would in prison a wrong doer.

Hope that helps some

He takes up space in believers.

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

Crazylove,
I am pretty sure they are not looking for scripture to answer their questions.
This is why we must first so how to prove the bible is the truth to people to then use scripture.

To the question is God good I would answer by saying God is good because whatever God does is automatically righteous sense he defines what is or isn't righteous. This is why God doesn't sin, yet he can kill. When he kills it is righteous, when we do it is not, unless authorized by God. [h=3]Amos 3:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

We see here that God can do bad things to cities, but when he does it, it is righteous. If we were to do it, it'd be wrong.

[h=3]Isaiah 45:7[/h]King James Version (KJV)

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Again God creates evil! Is it sinful? NOOOOOO. God is righteous no matter what. God is good in all things because no matter what he does, it is good, because he defines what is good and not good.

doseofreality · Dec 31, 2013

tucksma said:

Yes thank you, I agree with you completely.
Glad to see you sought out reasons to justify your beliefs.
My disagreements with prophecy as evidence of Bible's authority are twofold:

1) They were not fulfilled independently, thus leaving it open to being self-fulfilled. The people writing about the fulfilled prophecy were completely aware of the prophecies so they were biased toward coincidences that fit their view. Also there is possibility that they embellished stories to fit the known prophecy or people acted in ways to make prophecy come true.

2) There are many writings that were not canonized, only the ones that fit the OT prophecies were picked. Coincidence?
To justify which stories were historically accurate you need other accounts, unfortunately there are not many historical records that back up or even mention NT accounts.

doseofreality · Dec 31, 2013

Crazylove said:

This is bad logic, even given the 2 premises. You cannot conclude causation, at best correlation.
Using your same logic I could conclude that the universe made God.

Crazylove said:

Yes sunlight takes up space with photons that are measured as waves. The problem with this analogy is that when people feel God it can't be measured. Everything seems to be internal, as of yet no external force or essence has been observed,measured when God is felt.

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

doseofreality said:

Look at how Israel came to become Israel agian. Do you realllly think governments not controlled by the Roman Catholic Church would look at the bible to remake Israel?

Also is it simply coincidence that ancient tyre is now underwater?

Also the explination of how tyre fell happened down to the details by Alexander the Great, and we do have historical proof of that.

The fact that the law was WAY ahead of it's time with hygiene can't be coincidence.

Also some prophecies were fulfilled rather quickly, but some, like the Israel one, were not. The actions that fulfill these prophecies that didn't happen in the lifetime of the prophet so the prophet had no influence on them. Also some of these prophets were not highly respected or favored so their prophecies would have been thought of as nothing important, and influenced nothing.

There are NT prophecies too just much more general ones. The end times prophecies are relatively accurate. Also if you ever have somebody accurately describe revelations to you, you'd find that no man could talk like that unless inspired, with like every other word being a symbol and drawling from EVERYWHERE in scripture.

also question? are you a believer of the big bang theory if not by God?

If so then you sir have more faith then us! We believe something was always there, and it created everything. Something+desire to create=earth

According to the big bang theory it's either
There is energy kinda floating around and randomly, with no change, creation happened.
or
nothing+nothing = creation.

Also interesting fact, the best scientist in the world believed there had to be a higher power.

Newton and Einstein both thought that there had to be a higher power.

I really wish I knew the name of this book, but there is a book about a group of guys who were scientist. They made it their goal to disprove the bible and did literally whatever they could. Guess who are now believers?

doseofreality · Dec 31, 2013

majorjones said:

I take offence to two things here:
1) How can you say I was never a believer? Are you questioning the validity of my personal experiences? Ironic isn't it
2) Why are you equating non-belief with satanism? The devil is as much christian as Jesus, I don't believe in anything supernatural (gods, demons,angels, etc.)

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

doseofreality said:

I think a better way to explain what he was saying is that sense the world is so logical and complex, it makes little sense to say it just "happened" to be like this.

God created everything, which is why he cannot be measured. He created matter, and is not matter himself. That is not proof though for God, but you can't say it is proof against God either.

Final thing to add.

Both science and religion believes something was "always there". We say god, science says energy, either way something was always there so we both have a sort of faith.

tucksma · Dec 31, 2013

doseofreality said:

We shouldn't be talking to you like that I agree. It'd be different if you came on here saying God is not real, you didn't though. You said you don't think he is real which is different. Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't mean we have the right to condemn them, that is Jesus's job, and I am sorry if you meet Christians who come at you like that. Our goal should be to teach you and hopefully save you, not condemn you.

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