Do you support female pastors?

[tucksma]

Jesus supports female pastors.
Paul supported female pastors.

The woman at the well brought in more than all the Jews in Israel
and Paul went to CHLOEs church

women pastors ok.

They supported women preachers not pastors there is a difference. A women cannot lead the church, which a pastor, beacon, or whatever you wanna call it, does.

The bible is clear as day, stop changing it around to fit what you feel is just.

The bible teaches different roles that are equal.

We have equality wrong. We think equal is EVERYTHING the same.

This is wrong, equality can be you have a job, I have a job, they are different, we aren't aloud to switch, and we are equally respected. That is how men and women work.

Women have a job given by God.
So do Men. The goal is to never switch these jobs. Because of divorce sometimes it does happen that a man/women has both, but isn't supposed to.

Having a women pastor because she is the smartest is like having a man in a group and telling him to give birth because he is the nicest. It's not supposed to happen! It isn't sexist because they are SUPPOSED to be viewed as equal. Unfortunately men don't treat women equally with this rule, which is the fault of us men, not the fault of God. God's words hold true, men's ignorance to the beauty of a submissive women is what needs to change.

 

[HeIsNowHere]

So take a poll then take one again in a year and decide morality and spiritural issues by these polls and everyone should accept the majority opinion then is the way of the world. Or compromise the God Breathed Word because a majority do not agree with it. That is happening in the church and is leading to spiritual death just like it did for Eve when she listened to the old line of the devil, "Did God really say that." I Tim 3:2 and Titus 1:5-9 says the elder should be the husband of one wife. So as long as the elder is the husband of 1 wife they are qualified biblically. Arguments against this are mere opinions and use the same old argument 'did God really say that." That is not to say a woman cannot teach or share God's word at all.

 

[Misty77]

Having a women pastor because she is the smartest is like having a man in a group and telling him to give birth because he is the nicest. It's not supposed to happen! It isn't sexist because they are SUPPOSED to be viewed as equal. Unfortunately men don't treat women equally with this rule, which is the fault of us men, not the fault of God. God's words hold true, men's ignorance to the beauty of a submissive women is what needs to change.

Your analogy is flawed because the two concepts are not equal. Men are not born with uteruses. Not all women are born with working a working uterus, for that matter. Women, however, generally come equipped with brains and mouths, two of the most vital parts necessary for being a preacher. In one case, it's not supposed to happen because the necessary body parts are not there. All the relevant body parts are there in the second example which would seem to completely disprove the point you were trying to make.

 

[tucksma]

Your analogy is flawed because the two concepts are not equal. Men are not born with uteruses. Not all women are born with working a working uterus, for that matter. Women, however, generally come equipped with brains and mouths, two of the most vital parts necessary for being a preacher. In one case, it's not supposed to happen because the necessary body parts are not there. All the relevant body parts are there in the second example which would seem to completely disprove the point you were trying to make.

I agree it is a flawed example, but I didn't know another analogy and I like analogies haha.

Still the points are the same. The bible is very clear in this aspect. I agree that men mess up and aren't as well educated in the scriptures at time so a women would be the smarter. Just because a man doesn't follow God's word doesn't justify a women not following it.

 

[Misty77]

So take a poll then take one again in a year and decide morality and spiritural issues by these polls and everyone should accept the majority opinion then is the way of the world. Or compromise the God Breathed Word because a majority do not agree with it. That is happening in the church and is leading to spiritual death just like it did for Eve when she listened to the old line of the devil, "Did God really say that." I Tim 3:2 and Titus 1:5-9 says the elder should be the husband of one wife. So as long as the elder is the husband of 1 wife they are qualified biblically. Arguments against this are mere opinions and use the same old argument 'did God really say that." That is not to say a woman cannot teach or share God's word at all.

I've heard that argument. "A woman can't be a husband so a preacher must be a man." Just a few points:

-That is talking about elders, not preachers.
-If you are taking it so literal, then the man in question must be married.
-Again, if you are taking it so literal, then the man must lose the job in question when his wife dies because then he is technically not a legal husband anymore.

Contextually. this is saying that the office in question should be held by one who is not a polygamist. It could be male, but I don't think this particular phrase was included to speak to gender, but to marital status.

 

[Drett]

Looking at how the early Christians adopted the scriptures gives you insight into the context of the scripture because the early Christians were closer to the source of scripture than our time. Were there any female preachers at the times the disciples of Jesus were preaching?

 

[2Thewaters]

Go ye all into the world and preach the gospel...

You really believe men only?

I am surprised.

Holy spirit telling me, everyone may preach...
so I will see what my search turns up

hang on

 

[tucksma]

Go ye all into the world and preach the gospel...

You really believe men only?

preaching is different than leading a church.

 

[2Thewaters]

Neh 6:7 And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem,


ok

2 Ki 22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they communed with her.
2 Ki 22:15 And she said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel,


ok

2 Chr 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:
2 Chr 34:25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.
2 Chr 34:26 And as for the king of Judah, who sent you to inquire of the LORD, so shall ye say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel concerning the words which thou hast heard;
2 Chr 34:27 Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.
2 Chr 34:28 Behold, I will gather thee to thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eyes see all the evil that I will bring upon this place, and upon the inhabitants of the same. So they brought the king word again.


ok

preach it, Huldah!

she was a good preacher...

Yes
Holy spirit says we can have lady preachers

so time to leave your church...
come out of them my people

 

[2Thewaters]

Look
when you bible study you have to leave false doctrines at the door.

All the doctrines you ever learned are fale

did you know that?
you heard them from some man, from a church from an uncle
this is false

ok
true doctrine comed\s from the bible

so
ASK and God will show you true doctrines.

and they will be right

If you have ONE false doctrine, the WHOLE CHURCH IS IN APOSTASY

the smaller the church the less likely one person is all messed up

The true churches of Pauls day was
home churches

 

[tucksma]

Neh 6:7 And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem,


ok

2 Ki 22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they communed with her.
2 Ki 22:15 And she said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel,


ok

2 Chr 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:
2 Chr 34:25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.
2 Chr 34:26 And as for the king of Judah, who sent you to inquire of the LORD, so shall ye say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel concerning the words which thou hast heard;
2 Chr 34:27 Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.
2 Chr 34:28 Behold, I will gather thee to thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eyes see all the evil that I will bring upon this place, and upon the inhabitants of the same. So they brought the king word again.


ok

preach it, Huldah!

she was a good preacher...

Yes
Holy spirit says we can have lady preachers

so time to leave your church...
come out of them my people

A profit is not a leader of a church though. Again there is a difference between a leader of a church and someone preaching to randomers in the street. Same with there being a difference between a profit and a leader of a church.

 

[tucksma]

Look
when you bible study you have to leave false doctrines at the door.

All the doctrines you ever learned are fale

did you know that?
you heard them from some man, from a church from an uncle
this is false

ok
true doctrine comed\s from the bible

so
ASK and God will show you true doctrines.

and they will be right

If you have ONE false doctrine, the WHOLE CHURCH IS IN APOSTASY

the smaller the church the less likely one person is all messed up

The true churches of Pauls day was
home churches

I got my doctrine out of the bible too and my church is smaller.
I stick to my words though.

 

[2Thewaters]

I visited a church once
they showed me a book
it was called 27 fundamental doctrines of the church
I looked at that
and the book was mostly men trying to explain a bible verse or two in their way

And the bible told us never to do that

so ok
I took MY book of doctrines (the bible) and there are way more than 23 doctrines in there!

Yes there are MILLIONS of doctrines in the bible!

I will stick with my bible thanks you.

any church that has only 27 doctrines is apostate for sure.

 

[2Thewaters]

Good
if our doctrines dont match then we need to wonder if we found all the verses
let me search more

 

[tucksma]

Yes we agree in how to get our doctrines. I read the bible, and listen to what it says. Can we go back to the matter at hand though?

 

[2Thewaters]

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Ok assume women cant do that?
There have been a lot who do...

2097. euaggelizo, yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo ); from G2095 and G32; to announce good news ("evangelize") espec. the gospel:--declare, bring (declare, show) glad (good) tidings, preach (the gospel).

Ah

no where does it NOT say for women not to preach the gospel

Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church,
entering into every house,
and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Acts 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greekand didnt)
AH Timothys grandmother ran the church in Lystra...

The church at lystra was Timothy, his mother a Jewess and her mother the preacher.

 

[2Thewaters]

Lydia of Phillipi had a church

 

[tucksma]

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Ok assume women cant do that?
There have been a lot who do...

2097. euaggelizo, yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo ); from G2095 and G32; to announce good news ("evangelize") espec. the gospel:--declare, bring (declare, show) glad (good) tidings, preach (the gospel).

Ah

no where does it NOT say for women not to preach the gospel

Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church,
entering into every house,
and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Acts 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greekand didnt)
AH Timothys grandmother ran the church in Lystra...

The church at lystra was Timothy, his mother a Jewess and her mother the preacher.

With the mark refference I agree that there is nothing saying a women can not go and preach the gosspel I am specifically talking about leading a church.

With the second part it doesn't say a women led anything. It says the women was a jewss.


Jew·ess

• 1.
  a Jewish woman or girl.

 

[2Thewaters]

Tiomothy later was written a letter from Paul that said
Timothy, your grandmother (at your church ) has taught you well

if it was abomination for women to preach then Huldah Anna Lydia Woman at the well and otherw\s would have been struck dead.

Anna preached at the servicein the temple when Jesus was circumcised.

Yes, women my preach and they may minister

The best minister in the whole bible was Dorcas...
look up the word

see the King James has some word issues you need to click on the meanings of the word and when you click on minister it is obvious that men and women can be ministers

 

[tucksma]

Lydia of Phillipi had a church

It says women preached, not were pastors there is a difference. If I go to a homeless person and talk about the good news I am preaching. Being a pastor is different. That is standing in front of the church and leading it AND preaching. Preaching is only part of it.