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Six years into the Nazi era 94% of the German population were Christians (54% protestant and 40% catholic) and like you they all thanked God for their military. People in every nation around the world throughout history thank God for their military. Their military is good and God ordained while the enemy’s military is bad… controlled by the devil. But the one who rules all the nations of the earth is the one who owns the militaries of the earth and this is the one people are actually thanking for their military:
“Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.”
That scripture makes it very clear with absolute certainty that Satan owns outright and rules outright all the nations of the world including the USA and its military and he can give the USA (including its military that you thank God for) “to whomever” he wishes.
Also consider this:
The devil who owns and rules all the nations of the world is not going to have his seat of authority (his throne) among the poor and weak nations of the earth like Iran, Syria or Lebanon. Satan’s seat of authority will be among the nations that are the richest, most influential and have the most powerful militaries on earth as it has always been going back to Nimrod, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and today’s modern Rome headquartered out of the three sovereign city states that rule the world:
Vatican City (religious headquarters)
City of London (financial headquarters)
Washington DC (military headquarters).
Interesting notes about Washington District of Columbia: It used to be called “Rome” Maryland in 1663 property records and the Potomac River on the south was called “Tiber.” The “Freedom” statue that crowns the dome of the Capital building is a Roman goddess that was created in Rome. Covering the dome’s interior rotunda is a great fresco painting of a bunch of Roman deities such as Persephone, Ceres, Freedom, Vulcan, Mercury, and a deified George Washington. These figures were the creation of Vatican artist Constantino Brumidi.
Capital Hill in Washington (The temple of Jupiter Maximus at Rome, on the Capitoline hill). Jupiter’s mascot was the eagle, which the founding fathers made their mascot as well. America’s national motto “Annuit Coeptis” came from a prayer to Jupiter and there are many, many more clues of the USA's Roman origins.
So weather you’re a Russian thanking God for your military, an American thanking God for your military, an Israeli thanking God for your military, an Iranian thanking God for your military or a German Cnristian in 1939 thanking God for your military you are thanking the same god… and that god you are thanking is not Jesus Christ.
“Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.”
That scripture makes it very clear with absolute certainty that Satan owns outright and rules outright all the nations of the world including the USA and its military and he can give the USA (including its military that you thank God for) “to whomever” he wishes.
Also consider this:
The devil who owns and rules all the nations of the world is not going to have his seat of authority (his throne) among the poor and weak nations of the earth like Iran, Syria or Lebanon. Satan’s seat of authority will be among the nations that are the richest, most influential and have the most powerful militaries on earth as it has always been going back to Nimrod, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and today’s modern Rome headquartered out of the three sovereign city states that rule the world:
Vatican City (religious headquarters)
City of London (financial headquarters)
Washington DC (military headquarters).
Interesting notes about Washington District of Columbia: It used to be called “Rome” Maryland in 1663 property records and the Potomac River on the south was called “Tiber.” The “Freedom” statue that crowns the dome of the Capital building is a Roman goddess that was created in Rome. Covering the dome’s interior rotunda is a great fresco painting of a bunch of Roman deities such as Persephone, Ceres, Freedom, Vulcan, Mercury, and a deified George Washington. These figures were the creation of Vatican artist Constantino Brumidi.
Capital Hill in Washington (The temple of Jupiter Maximus at Rome, on the Capitoline hill). Jupiter’s mascot was the eagle, which the founding fathers made their mascot as well. America’s national motto “Annuit Coeptis” came from a prayer to Jupiter and there are many, many more clues of the USA's Roman origins.
So weather you’re a Russian thanking God for your military, an American thanking God for your military, an Israeli thanking God for your military, an Iranian thanking God for your military or a German Cnristian in 1939 thanking God for your military you are thanking the same god… and that god you are thanking is not Jesus Christ.
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If you look at these words though they seem very similar. Both definitions have the word to kill and to murder in them. The only difference I see is that the second sounds more like a general destruction of something (so like I could kill your art) but I'm not quite sure how you would differ between these words. And then how do you define when the time to kill is. In the bible, the only time it is condoned to kill is when God commands it. Israel had military but Israel was God's nation. When they killed, God commanded it. That is a different story than us killing, or our armies killing. God doesn't tell our army when to fight, the president does. (Or whatever ruler you have) When God says to do something it is righteous no matter what. Its why God cannot sin, but can kill. When God says to do it it is righteousness rather we are aloud to do it or not. No where in the bible does it state differently. If you can find me one murder or killing in the bible that was not sinful, that was not condoned by God then okay, I'm wrong and have to relook at my thought process, but I don't know of any myself.
And what does God say about this?
Exo 14:13 And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever.
Exo 14:14 The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."
Here is a very enlightening passage concerning military service and war...
2Ch 20:1 It happened after this that the people of Moab with the people of Ammon, and others with them besides the Ammonites, came to battle against Jehoshaphat.
2Ch 20:2 Then some came and told Jehoshaphat, saying, "A great multitude is coming against you from beyond the sea, from Syria; and they are in Hazazon Tamar" (which is En Gedi).
2Ch 20:3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.
2Ch 20:4 So Judah gathered together to ask help from the LORD; and from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.
Notice they did not assemble at the armory and begin handing out weapons.
2Ch 20:5 Then Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the LORD, before the new court,
2Ch 20:6 and said: "O LORD God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven, and do You not rule over all the kingdoms of the nations, and in Your hand is there not power and might, so that no one is able to withstand You?
2Ch 20:7 Are You not our God, who drove out the inhabitants of this land before Your people Israel, and gave it to the descendants of Abraham Your friend forever?
2Ch 20:8 And they dwell in it, and have built You a sanctuary in it for Your name, saying,
2Ch 20:9 'If disaster comes upon us—sword, judgment, pestilence, or famine—we will stand before this temple and in Your presence (for Your name is in this temple), and cry out to You in our affliction, and You will hear and save.'
2Ch 20:10 And now, here are the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir—whom You would not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them and did not destroy them—
2Ch 20:11 here they are, rewarding us by coming to throw us out of Your possession which You have given us to inherit.
2Ch 20:12 O our God, will You not judge them? For we have no power against this great multitude that is coming against us; nor do we know what to do, but our eyes are upon You."
Who did Jehoshaphat and Judah look to?
2Ch 20:13 Now all Judah, with their little ones, their wives, and their children, stood before the LORD.
2Ch 20:14 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, in the midst of the assembly.
2Ch 20:15 And he said, "Listen, all you of Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem, and you, King Jehoshaphat! Thus says the LORD to you: 'Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God's.
2Ch 20:16 Tomorrow go down against them. They will surely come up by the Ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the brook before the Wilderness of Jeruel.
2Ch 20:17 You will not need to fight in this battle. Position yourselves, stand still and see the salvation of the LORD, who is with you, O Judah and Jerusalem!' Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out against them, for the LORD is with you."
Stand still and see the salvation of God. Sound familiar?
2Ch 20:20 So they rose early in the morning and went out into the Wilderness of Tekoa; and as they went out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, "Hear me, O Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem: Believe in the LORD your God, and you shall be established; believe His prophets, and you shall prosper."
2Ch 20:21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed those who should sing to the LORD, and who should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army and were saying: "Praise the LORD, For His mercy endures forever."
2Ch 20:22 Now when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushes against the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir, who had come against Judah; and they were defeated.
2Ch 20:23 For the people of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir to utterly kill and destroy them. And when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, they helped to destroy one another.
2Ch 20:24 So when Judah came to a place overlooking the wilderness, they looked toward the multitude; and there were their dead bodies, fallen on the earth. No one had escaped.
And the moral of the story?
Perhaps the U.S. ought to begin to seek God wholeheartedly and invest in singing lessons instead of weapons.
I'm against Christians joining the military. We aren't fighting invading forces or forces that threaten us (self defense, defense of family/friends). We are killing people in distant lands for money and tactical geographical advantages. I believe in turn we are taking part in murder as Christian Soldiers.
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I feel like the part that Jesus and John the Baptist never told anyone directly to leave the military in the Bible says that it is, at least, not entirely a cut and dry matter. But I don't think this evidence by itself is enough.
There are some morals and philosophies that the Bible advocates that seem contradictory to military service.
At the same time, I feel that it is hard to not support the government. Either way, we will be taxed and those monies will go to the government's agenda, whether it is evil or good. How is serving in the military (in a non-battle related position) any different? Either way it seems we participate in furthering an anti-christ agenda.
Furthermore, if one has vowed to serve the military, should he not finish his contract then be done with the matter?
Just some questions to fuel discussion. This is of particular interest to me as a military member. I don't want to be outside of God's will. I do not want to brush aside arguments that would be inconvenient for me because it would make me lose my job and be unsure of my future. Neither do I want to be hasty and end my contract just because a few people dissent to what I'm doing.
There are some morals and philosophies that the Bible advocates that seem contradictory to military service.
At the same time, I feel that it is hard to not support the government. Either way, we will be taxed and those monies will go to the government's agenda, whether it is evil or good. How is serving in the military (in a non-battle related position) any different? Either way it seems we participate in furthering an anti-christ agenda.
Furthermore, if one has vowed to serve the military, should he not finish his contract then be done with the matter?
Just some questions to fuel discussion. This is of particular interest to me as a military member. I don't want to be outside of God's will. I do not want to brush aside arguments that would be inconvenient for me because it would make me lose my job and be unsure of my future. Neither do I want to be hasty and end my contract just because a few people dissent to what I'm doing.
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Charles Spurgeon: "Long have I held that war is an enormous crime; long have I regarded all battles as but murder on a large scale."
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" feel like the part that Jesus and John the Baptist never told anyone directly to leave the military in the Bible says that it is, at least, not entirely a cut and dry matter. But I don't think this evidence by itself is enough."
And this is not "evidence." The Centurion would also have been a slave owner. Would we use such "evidence" to justify slavery today?
And this is not "evidence." The Centurion would also have been a slave owner. Would we use such "evidence" to justify slavery today?
Fighting is not necessary, see post #64. Reason why men must fight today?
Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, That it cannot save; Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.
Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, And your fingers with iniquity; Your lips have spoken lies, Your tongue has muttered perversity.
Isa 59:4 No one calls for justice, Nor does any plead for truth. They trust in empty words and speak lies; They conceive evil and bring forth iniquity.
Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, That it cannot save; Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.
Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, And your fingers with iniquity; Your lips have spoken lies, Your tongue has muttered perversity.
Isa 59:4 No one calls for justice, Nor does any plead for truth. They trust in empty words and speak lies; They conceive evil and bring forth iniquity.
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Blessings, John. You did much better than I did. I spent over 3 years in the Marines before I took CO as a Christian, serioiusly. [my draft number was 324].
You can read about my struggle with the free "Look Inside" feature on amazon [I just checked, and had thought the 'look inside' gave the whole of ch. 1. but it stops short. I'd be glad to send you the word doc.]
You can read about my struggle with the free "Look Inside" feature on amazon [I just checked, and had thought the 'look inside' gave the whole of ch. 1. but it stops short. I'd be glad to send you the word doc.]
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