no you don't have too if you don't want too, just don't teach like some people do, some people say you should stop eating meat it's wrong come and eat healthy foods...but it's your choice weather you want to eat or not, i was actually a vegetarian for about 10 years i believe for the wrong reasons of course.. i saw my dad kill a chicken i was young so i got traumatize lol i thought chicken was factory made but anyways i started eating it back now
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i'm sorry for saying this but.. you clearly don't know what the holy spirit does and i'm not going to say anything but show you scripture what the holy spirit does when someone receives it, and i see alot of I's and no God, I do this and that.. going to get yourself in more trouble, but sis the only way to understand is to experience the holy spirit and the supernatural effect the holy spirit has on someone, the holy spirit makes us a christian, you say you want people to see that you are a christian by doing the laws in public? or something like that well the holy spirit straightens someone image and make them a completely different person, do you not understand what this means?[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
please just meditate upon this... if the old pass away, which is sin where does law fit in? think about it if we die to sin we die to the law automatically, if not we still under sin and the law still have control over us, you see no one knew sin until they were told thou shalt not covet, but if we die to sin how can the law have control over us? and try to understand what i'm saying because you tend to say " so what are we suppose to do live how ever we feel " i'm tired of hearing that... God lives in you if you receive him his conscience will be your conscience, did you know how bad i cried after receiving christ and i still slip up into sin once because i Love God and don't want to see him hurt, read and meditate upon this text and try to understand...
[h=3]Romans 7:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
do you see the example he is using here to show how we are dead to the law, the law has dominion over a man as long as he liveth, while he in sin he will be judged for breaking the law, but look at the comparison if you have a husband/wife and they passed away are you still married to them? no... in this case you married christ and are dead to the law
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
please just meditate upon this... if the old pass away, which is sin where does law fit in? think about it if we die to sin we die to the law automatically, if not we still under sin and the law still have control over us, you see no one knew sin until they were told thou shalt not covet, but if we die to sin how can the law have control over us? and try to understand what i'm saying because you tend to say " so what are we suppose to do live how ever we feel " i'm tired of hearing that... God lives in you if you receive him his conscience will be your conscience, did you know how bad i cried after receiving christ and i still slip up into sin once because i Love God and don't want to see him hurt, read and meditate upon this text and try to understand...
[h=3]Romans 7:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
do you see the example he is using here to show how we are dead to the law, the law has dominion over a man as long as he liveth, while he in sin he will be judged for breaking the law, but look at the comparison if you have a husband/wife and they passed away are you still married to them? no... in this case you married christ and are dead to the law
Paul speaking here...
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
1Ti 5:10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
Tit 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Notice that all of the above are Paul's writings. It is a fallacy to separate faith and works. They are inseparable...
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James (the head of the church) shows us that faith and works is the answer. It is very true, that you cannot be saved by works. It is also very true that you cannot be saved by faith alone. When we put ALL the scripture together we find it is good works by faith that answers the question.
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
1Ti 5:10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
Tit 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Notice that all of the above are Paul's writings. It is a fallacy to separate faith and works. They are inseparable...
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James (the head of the church) shows us that faith and works is the answer. It is very true, that you cannot be saved by works. It is also very true that you cannot be saved by faith alone. When we put ALL the scripture together we find it is good works by faith that answers the question.
L
... if you reread the verses you just shared, in context, every one points to salvation by faith in Christ alone for salvation.
Works are the fruit of the Spirit received at salvation.
Please reconsider your statement that 'you cannot be saved by faith alone'.
Try to separate your view of salvation away from your view of what we are called to do once saved.
The plan of redemption is ALL the Father, and our salvation is ALL the Son, and our works are ALL the Spirit. There is no place for us to have any glory, because ALL the effort was God's, ALL the good works are from Him and by His help, and ALL the glory belongs to Him.
Works are the fruit of the Spirit received at salvation.
Please reconsider your statement that 'you cannot be saved by faith alone'.
Try to separate your view of salvation away from your view of what we are called to do once saved.
The plan of redemption is ALL the Father, and our salvation is ALL the Son, and our works are ALL the Spirit. There is no place for us to have any glory, because ALL the effort was God's, ALL the good works are from Him and by His help, and ALL the glory belongs to Him.
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Thanks for the comment. I can't help but think of these two passages (one OT and one NT) when I think of how repentance works in the heart.
Jer 31:18,19
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
Acts 11:16-18
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
When Peter preached at Pentecost, those who were gathered together could not resist or withstand God message unto them for they were 'pricked' in their hearts and responded 'what shall we do' in (Acts 2:37). To me those that heard were granted repentance or to 'repent' in verse 38. They gladly received the word and were baptized by water immersion. Acts 2:38 is a problem that some have concerning 'repenting', 'baptism', 'remission of sins' and receiving the 'gift of the Holy Spirit' and how they relate to each other.
Jer 31:18,19
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
Acts 11:16-18
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
When Peter preached at Pentecost, those who were gathered together could not resist or withstand God message unto them for they were 'pricked' in their hearts and responded 'what shall we do' in (Acts 2:37). To me those that heard were granted repentance or to 'repent' in verse 38. They gladly received the word and were baptized by water immersion. Acts 2:38 is a problem that some have concerning 'repenting', 'baptism', 'remission of sins' and receiving the 'gift of the Holy Spirit' and how they relate to each other.
How many of you know that Moses was called to Mount Sinai to receive the stone tablets for the first time, is the exact day of Pentecost? How many of you know that Jesus is seen in Leviticus chapter 14?
Leviticus 14:36-57 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
[SUP]50 [/SUP]And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
[SUP]53 [/SUP]But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
[SUP]55 [/SUP]And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
[SUP]56 [/SUP]And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
[SUP]57 [/SUP]To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.
[h=1]Verse 37 and 44[/h]This scripture has been very uplifting to me, explaining a restoration after having been given the gift of faith. To me, it explains how the high Priest (Christ Jesus) has the power to clean the house (me) after welcoming Him in, to see the corruption of my fleshly nature, with vacant holes that need to be filled.
[h=1][/h][h=1]Verse 38[/h]There were 7 days between Jesus entering Jerusalem, and His resurrection, 7 being the number, or letter “Zayin” (completeness) relating to food and nourishment, being the picture of a mattock (in the Hebrew pictorial) that prepares the ground, or heart. Relate to the parable of the sower and the seed.
[h=1]Verse 40[/h] Jesus was taken outside the city walls and killed with our unclean iniquity inside of Him.
[h=1][/h][h=1]Verse 41 and 45[/h]He will take corruption away, in the process as He determines, on the cross outside the city walls.
[h=1]Verse 46 and 47 compared with Paul’s writings[/h]Romans 12:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
[h=1]Verse 48 and 52[/h]He will baptize me and pronounce me clean before the Father.
[h=2][/h][h=2]Verse 49 and 51[/h]Cedar wood=known for it’s strength and deep root, even though the cross was Dogwood as I understand, and it doesn’t rot as other woods do.
Scarlet=blood
Hyssop=it is mentioned in Psalm 51 of the Bible as a Spiritual Purifying Agent, as it is written: Cleanse me with HYSSOP; wash me and I shall be whiter than snow.
[h=1][/h][h=1]Verse 50[/h]His flesh shall be the sacrifice of cleansing.
Verse 53
The living bird is likened unto the scapegoat in Leviticus 16:8 (Az’azel)
Even though I know I see very little of the entire picture God is showing to me, this law has been uplifting to me, being a believer in Christ Jesus, knowing he continues to clean me up, when I confess my sinful nature. It helps me to see, and understand what dying daily means. May God bless you with these thoughts that are so deep and profound.
Leviticus 14:36-57 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
[SUP]50 [/SUP]And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
[SUP]53 [/SUP]But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
[SUP]55 [/SUP]And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
[SUP]56 [/SUP]And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
[SUP]57 [/SUP]To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.
[h=1]Verse 37 and 44[/h]This scripture has been very uplifting to me, explaining a restoration after having been given the gift of faith. To me, it explains how the high Priest (Christ Jesus) has the power to clean the house (me) after welcoming Him in, to see the corruption of my fleshly nature, with vacant holes that need to be filled.
[h=1][/h][h=1]Verse 38[/h]There were 7 days between Jesus entering Jerusalem, and His resurrection, 7 being the number, or letter “Zayin” (completeness) relating to food and nourishment, being the picture of a mattock (in the Hebrew pictorial) that prepares the ground, or heart. Relate to the parable of the sower and the seed.
[h=1]Verse 40[/h] Jesus was taken outside the city walls and killed with our unclean iniquity inside of Him.
[h=1][/h][h=1]Verse 41 and 45[/h]He will take corruption away, in the process as He determines, on the cross outside the city walls.
[h=1]Verse 46 and 47 compared with Paul’s writings[/h]Romans 12:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
[h=1]Verse 48 and 52[/h]He will baptize me and pronounce me clean before the Father.
[h=2][/h][h=2]Verse 49 and 51[/h]Cedar wood=known for it’s strength and deep root, even though the cross was Dogwood as I understand, and it doesn’t rot as other woods do.
Scarlet=blood
Hyssop=it is mentioned in Psalm 51 of the Bible as a Spiritual Purifying Agent, as it is written: Cleanse me with HYSSOP; wash me and I shall be whiter than snow.
[h=1][/h][h=1]Verse 50[/h]His flesh shall be the sacrifice of cleansing.
Verse 53
The living bird is likened unto the scapegoat in Leviticus 16:8 (Az’azel)
Even though I know I see very little of the entire picture God is showing to me, this law has been uplifting to me, being a believer in Christ Jesus, knowing he continues to clean me up, when I confess my sinful nature. It helps me to see, and understand what dying daily means. May God bless you with these thoughts that are so deep and profound.
L
Please read Romans and Galatians.
There is nothing more I can say than what the Bible says so clearly in Romans chapters 3-5, or Galatians 2, Ephesians 2, or Philippians 3.
If you trust that the whole Word of God stands together as one message, you cannot come away saying that works are involved in salvation or justification.
Sanctification (being made holy) is a work of the Holy Spirit that comes after salvation (when we receive the Holy Spirit), and is a lifelong process.
There is nothing more I can say than what the Bible says so clearly in Romans chapters 3-5, or Galatians 2, Ephesians 2, or Philippians 3.
If you trust that the whole Word of God stands together as one message, you cannot come away saying that works are involved in salvation or justification.
Sanctification (being made holy) is a work of the Holy Spirit that comes after salvation (when we receive the Holy Spirit), and is a lifelong process.
In my 64 years, I have read them more times than I can count. Difference is, I have read them with and in context with the other writings of Paul, as well as James, Peter and John, Matthew, Mark and Luke. I also have read these books in the light of the direct statements of Jesus Christ Himself.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
sayings like...
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
and Paul concurs...
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
So does John...
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
sayings like...
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
and Paul concurs...
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
So does John...
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Psalm 143:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Psalm 119:174 (KJV)
[SUP]174 [/SUP]I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
Isaiah 57:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
Ephesians 2:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Isaiah 51:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
Philippians 3:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deuteronomy 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Endorsing separation is not the plan God has intended. Jesus was at Mount Sinai, and he didn't argue with Moses and Elijah in the Mount of Transfiguration. All Jesus did and taught was Old Testament before He died.
Jeremiah 9:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Psalm 119:174 (KJV)
[SUP]174 [/SUP]I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
Isaiah 57:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
Ephesians 2:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Isaiah 51:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
Philippians 3:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deuteronomy 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Endorsing separation is not the plan God has intended. Jesus was at Mount Sinai, and he didn't argue with Moses and Elijah in the Mount of Transfiguration. All Jesus did and taught was Old Testament before He died.
Jeremiah 9:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Old English metan "to find, find out; fall in with, encounter; obtain,"
What works allow us to obtain repentance?
Thou shalt not kill... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not commit adultery... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not steal... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt keep the Sabaath... nope that wont help me find repentance.
What works allow us to obtain repentance?
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Old English metan "to find, find out; fall in with, encounter; obtain,"
What works allow us to obtain repentance?
Thou shalt not kill... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not commit adultery... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not steal... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's... nope that wont help me find repentance.
Thou shalt keep the Sabaath... nope that wont help me find repentance.
What works allow us to obtain repentance?
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
What you mention is right. You failed to continue in the truth that these things you have so graciously mentioned show us we need repentance. That's why Paul calls the law a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ. In truth, why in the world are people denying its potency? It's a God given schoolmaster for that reason because God is love. I have even heard from others on CC that the New Testament is no longer need now because of what we see in nature. We have gone way over the top. Denying parts of scripture is like cutting the brake lines on your carnal car. I have never heard anyone who is called a Judaizer or a legalizer advocate in ANY way that we are saved by works. Do people actually hate the mention of the Mosaic Law? If that is the case the name calling can be seen as "what goes around comes around." The carnal mind reigns in the religious sect as it seems. Jesus called them hypocrites. They were Pharisaical.
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I have never in my lifetime met a Judaizer. I would prefer, myself, to have the world treat Saturday as they are treating Sunday. However, the world will not allow me to run it for some reason.
I have met lots of people who use the biblical truth that it is God who saves, not their works, so the conclusion is the false idea it is wrong to work. Not only do people eat food that is not kosher, but they "eat" the spiritual that it stands for, the dirty movies and dirty books things to fill their mind. The problem today is not people observing physical kosher, circumcision, Sabbath, it is that people don't even know the spiritual kosher, circumcision, or Sabbath to do the spiritual part still required.
I have met lots of people who use the biblical truth that it is God who saves, not their works, so the conclusion is the false idea it is wrong to work. Not only do people eat food that is not kosher, but they "eat" the spiritual that it stands for, the dirty movies and dirty books things to fill their mind. The problem today is not people observing physical kosher, circumcision, Sabbath, it is that people don't even know the spiritual kosher, circumcision, or Sabbath to do the spiritual part still required.