Turning The Grace of God into Lasciviousness

[john832]

If you desire to live a sinless selfish life go ahead. I wouldnt. But the fact is sin does not cause you to lose salvation.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' - NKJV

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Uh, your entire post is refuted in one passage...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You are defending license.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' - NKJV

Son, matthew 7 jesus is talking to UNSAVED people who think they are saved. Did you read what they said??

Lord didnt we do many wonderful works in your name???

Works dont save! You just proved that. Not sinning doesnt save either! Thanks for showing the readers this.

And again, hebrews is talking about denying christ.

 

[cfultz3]

Son, matthew 7 jesus is talking to UNSAVED people who think they are saved. Did you read what they said??

Did you read what Jesus said to them, "...Depart from me...you workers of lawlessness".

I suppose then that we need to follow the Law from the Spirit sent from Christ.

It says that the one who hates has neither the Father nor the Son nor everlasting life.

Is love shown to God by living in open rebellion to His will?

 

[john832]

Son, matthew 7 jesus is talking to UNSAVED people who think they are saved. Did you read what they said??

Lord didnt we do many wonderful works in your name???

Works dont save! You just proved that. Not sinning doesnt save either! Thanks for showing the readers this.

And again, hebrews is talking about denying christ.

Exactly! You got the point.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Uh, your entire post is refuted in one passage...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You are defending license.

Did you read what Jesus said to them, "...Depart from me...you workers of lawlessness".

I suppose then that we need to follow the Law from the Spirit sent from Christ.

It says that the one who hates has neither the Father nor the Son nor everlasting life.

Is love shown to God by living in open rebellion to His will?

Jesus was talking to unsaved sinners, we are saved sinners. That verse doesnt support that you can lose salvation from sinning, no verse in the bible does.

 

[dcontroversal]

Uh, your entire post is refuted in one passage...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You are defending license.

Context is willfully turning your back on the Lord's assembly by failing to assemble. I.E. Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some...When you do this, you count the blood of Jesus a common ordinary base thing and in so doing you trample under foot the Son of God which leads to no recourse but the above mentioned judgment. Some were cut loose for the destruction of the flesh that they may learn not to blaspheme.

 

[cfultz3]

Jesus was talking to unsaved sinners, we are saved sinners. That verse doesnt support that you can lose salvation from sinning, no verse in the bible does.

So, if we are these so-called saved sinners, then we cannot be workers of lawlessness. But, as saved sinners we can live as we please, even quite contrary to the Law from Jesus Christ. So, God has made it where we can live contrary to His will, while He yet will judge others for what He has permitted us to do.

Do you see where you logic leads one? If we confess faith, then we do not have to walk pleasingly before God.

If one is a brother, then he is saved, one of God's children. If a brother can walk into a sin which leads to death, then it would be reasonable to say that since he is walking to death then he is not walking to the Father. And if he is not walking to the Father, then he is not a child any longer.

We are a servant to whom we obey. If we obey sin as you say we can, then we walk towards death. If we obey the Lord then we are obedient unto salvation.

Sorry, walking two paths will not lead one to the same place. We are either walking to death or to life.

STOP telling people they can sin all they want and still make it to Heaven. If it says that a brother can walk into death, then that brother could be you or me or that person you are telling to go out and sin all they desire.

You say that Christ-is-Lord. Listen to yourself. If He is Lord, then He is Master. If He is Master, then hearken to Him and His Law of Love. Lawlessness will get you nowhere but to death.

PLEASE STOP PREACHING DEATH....Do you not know that you will be held accountable for the souls that you lead astray by teaching lawlessness?

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Stop preaching you can lose salvation by sinning.

Its funny, the book of john is to the unsaved on how to get saved. And not once does he ever say repent of sins to be saved. He only says believe. Now if repenting of sins to be saved was something you needed to do to be saved, you would think that God would tell us this, especially in the book of john..

Youre preaching work salvation/lordship salvation.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Sin causes death, who denies that? The fact that youre going to die is a result of your sins. But you will not die eternally in hell, for sins that are already paid for of you have faith in jesus. Im not misleading anyone, you, along with the majority of this site have no idea what salvation means, if you think you have to maintain it yourself, or earn it, or not sin.

 

[Rockbysea]

No way the elect of God will believe the teaching that says one can keep living the same life of sin they have always lived and still be saved. Those who believe such are deceived and were never chosen in the first place. This teaching will always be easily contained among those who are perishing. It poses no threat to God’s elect.

The contract fabricators on the other extreme side of the pendulum can pose a challenge to the new in Christ but God will use that challenge for edification. Those new to Christ have a strong desire to please God by not sinning so they can be tricked into following make-believe manmade covenants which are manmade contracts not ratified by God.

 

[cfultz3]

Stop preaching you can lose salvation by sinning.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.​

I hope a brother or sister will heed to another brother and walk away from that path leading to death.

WE have not been liberated from the Law to live a lawless life.

STOP leading people to death by saying that can live a habitual life in sin. It is not hard to understand that if that brother in the above verse can walk into death, so can one of us.

STOP justifying living in sin and justify your faithful walk before the Lord. We have not been liberated to sin. How will God be just to judge the sinner, while yet give us life when we walk no better than those wicked.

STOP leading people to hell by your lie of saying that we can live as our flesh dictates. We live to the dictate of the Lord. YES!!! He is to be Master, not your flesh.

STOP..................

 

[ChristIsLord229]

You are the group in matthew 7. Jesus is talking to those who have faith in their works to save them, instead of faith in his finished work on the cross. I believe jesus paid for all sins, as the bible teaches. I still sin, and sometimes i sin willingly. My flesh will die as a result, but my soul is going to heaven because of the quickening spirit God gave me as a result of my FAITH in christ jesus. What is so hard to believe?

 

[cfultz3]

No way the elect of God will believe the teaching that says one can keep living the same life of sin they have always lived and still be saved. Those who believe such are deceived and were never chosen in the first place. This teaching will always be easily contained among those who are perishing. It poses no threat to God’s elect.

The contract fabricators on the other extreme side of the pendulum can pose a challenge to the new in Christ but God will use that challenge for edification. Those new to Christ have a strong desire to please God by not sinning so they can be tricked into following make-believe manmade covenants which are manmade contracts not ratified by God.

You are correct.....I will cease....

 

[ChristIsLord229]

You do realize that there are sins that cause the death penatly, and sins that do not, right? Thats what john is talking about... Wow get a grip, you are so mixed up in doctrine its insane.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Im not even condoning sin, but im not limiting Gods grace.

You guys are a screw loose. We clearly are not worshiping the same God.

 

[john832]

Son, matthew 7 jesus is talking to UNSAVED people who think they are saved. Did you read what they said??

Lord didnt we do many wonderful works in your name???

Works dont save! You just proved that. Not sinning doesnt save either! Thanks for showing the readers this.

And again, hebrews is talking about denying christ.

It is speaking to unsaved people?

Mat 7 is a continuation from Mat 5 and 6. Christ was addressing whom?

Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him.

 

[john832]

Im not even condoning sin, but im not limiting Gods grace.

You guys are a screw loose. We clearly are not worshiping the same God.

In that we are in 100 over 100 agreement.

 

[The_highwayman]

Im not even condoning sin, but im not limiting Gods grace.

You guys are a screw loose. We clearly are not worshiping the same God.

SIN does not make you lose your salvation....but you are stating things that are not in the Bible.
You state matter of factually, you can live anyway you want, once you are saved, but the Bible says not to love the world or the things of the World, because if you do then the Love of the Father is not in you.

The Bible maintains living separate, holy and sanctified lives, but you continually post foolishness that is fine to be drunk all the time...The Bible says to renew and be conformed, the Bible syas come out and be separate, the Bible says we are to be partakers of the divine nature..

You cannot have light and darkness in the same walk....Once again let's read what Jesus said:
Matt 6.22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Jesus tells us plainly that light and darkness cannot co-exist, he says either your eye will be single and full of light or your eye be evil, meaning split vision , and if you pretend to have light while you are really evil, how great that darkness is, because you lie to yourself and others that you are saved.

You will answer the below questions with we are now in the dispensation of Grace so it does not apply, but it really does.

By your beliefs then everyone should have been saved and God really did not need to send the flood, so how does the 8 in the ark jive with your live any way you want to?

If God's grace was so amazing why did only 1 family make it out of Sodom and Gommorah and if his grace was so strong, why Did lots wife die? Barbecue she turned back, because she still loved the world she was escaping.

If God's grace was so strong why did only 1 prophet escape captivity?

If God's grace was so easily gained why did only 1 harlots family get saved during Jericho?

God's grace is amazing, but dont you believe in an isntant that you can live any way you want to and deny the grace, by drinking and maintaining the same lifestyle.

A person that claims salvation but is still controlled by the lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life and still loves the world and things of this world they ARE NOT SAVED!!!!

You cannot share light and dark, it is one fo the other and Jesus stated so numerous times. Paul tells us who and who will not inherit the Kingdom in Gal 5, yet here you are, Big bold Baptist boy telling the world to sin on, its Ok, you wont have to worry, because you just have to pull out his grace card...

That theology is going to split the gates of hell wide open and many pastors will be splitting those gates wide open as well..

 

[The_highwayman]

SIN does not make you lose your salvation....but you are stating things that are not in the Bible.
You state matter of factually, you can live anyway you want, once you are saved, but the Bible says not to love the world or the things of the World, because if you do then the Love of the Father is not in you.

The Bible maintains living separate, holy and sanctified lives, but you continually post foolishness that is fine to be drunk all the time...The Bible says to renew and be conformed, the Bible syas come out and be separate, the Bible says we are to be partakers of the divine nature..

You cannot have light and darkness in the same walk....Once again let's read what Jesus said:
Matt 6.22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Jesus tells us plainly that light and darkness cannot co-exist, he says either your eye will be single and full of light or your eye be evil, meaning split vision , and if you pretend to have light while you are really evil, how great that darkness is, because you lie to yourself and others that you are saved.

You will answer the below questions with we are now in the dispensation of Grace so it does not apply, but it really does.

By your beliefs then everyone should have been saved and God really did not need to send the flood, so how does the 8 in the ark jive with your live any way you want to?

If God's grace was so amazing why did only 1 family make it out of Sodom and Gommorah and if his grace was so strong, why Did lots wife die? Barbecue she turned back, because she still loved the world she was escaping.

If God's grace was so strong why did only 1 prophet escape captivity?

If God's grace was so easily gained why did only 1 harlots family get saved during Jericho?

God's grace is amazing, but dont you believe in an isntant that you can live any way you want to and deny the grace, by drinking and maintaining the same lifestyle.

A person that claims salvation but is still controlled by the lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life and still loves the world and things of this world they ARE NOT SAVED!!!!

You cannot share light and dark, it is one fo the other and Jesus stated so numerous times. Paul tells us who and who will not inherit the Kingdom in Gal 5, yet here you are, Big bold Baptist boy telling the world to sin on, its Ok, you wont have to worry, because you just have to pull out his grace card...

That theology is going to split the gates of hell wide open and many pastors will be splitting those gates wide open as well..

I am not at all stating sin will lose your salvation, what I am saying is that we have thousands being led down the dark path of eternal damnation, because we have this grace covers it all teaching. People all over the world go into church on sunday morning, worship the worshipers, get a small little motivational pep talk, that i am oK, your Ok and God says we are Ok and then go to the sports bar on Sunday night, knock back the beeer and shots, while cheering on the team and they think this is OK, because they got grace!

NO SIR/MAAM:
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

 

[LovePink]

God's grace is amazing, but dont you believe in an isntant that you can live any way you want to and deny the grace, by drinking and maintaining the same lifestyle.

As I read your post, I thought, there are just some things I see on both of the sides with you two gentlemen, why you are not seeing eye to eye. Then also, your post here made Acts 17:30-31 come forward to my mind.

A post you made yesterday, here, I am sure we can all tell of sins that we have stopped doing, that have been so far removed from us that we do not even have a feeling toward them one way or the other, let alone a desire... but are thankful to be delivered from the ties of that bondage. That is the mind of the flesh. We are dead to sin. We are not to mind the flesh.

Did God save us while we were yet sinning, yes. While we were yet sinners, yes. While we were ungodly & enemies, yes. There is an obedience we are to have, to "the faith", the faith of Christ... to a form of doctrine "from the heart". We serve God with our spirit, not our flesh. He does not see this filthy rag. What He sees is His Son in our new nature, we need to fill this capacity, if we are able. Guess what, this life can be to much for some and it can be all they can do is hear that gospel of truth and believe it... they may never be ambassadors, they may never be workmen, they may never be able to do anything but get saved by the grace of God, freely given, God knows this.

We see in Scripture a verse about the saved person who lives in pleasure, "dead while she liveth"- what this means is she is of no use, but she is alive to God by the gospel of her salvation. There is a place in Scripture that talks about "being denied by Christ" this is the manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit in those who have eternal life, but deny the building up in the inner man unto maturity, through various means, whether being in false religion or down in a bottle or nose in a bag.

Know we no man by the flesh. Outward appearance does not always magnify inward change. So we should not glory in the flesh or in men, but glory in the cross and glory in the Lord.