People say I'm crazy

wanderer6059 · Jan 11, 2014

kjv
In 1604, King James I of England authorized that a new translation of the Bible into English be started. It was finished in 1611, just 85 years after the first translation of the New Testament into English appeared (Tyndale, 1526). The Authorized Version, or King James Version, quickly became the standard for English-speaking Protestants. Its flowing language and prose rhythm has had a profound influence on the literature of the past 400 years. The King James Version present on the that you are using matches the 1987 printing. update your bible to a more accurate translation if you cannot understand the meaning of the one in your hands ("you idiot" friend again)

agree king james authorized it, hence i can't take it to the "king james guy" because he is dead ("you idiot" friend)

no ("you idiot" friend) i was describing the ("idiotic" friend again) words you said. because ("idiot" friend) your ("to stupid" friend) misunderstanding Gods word and speaking blasphemy ("you idiot" friend again last time)

this is me i'm going to bed your not evil or possessed you are just stupid, i love you man as a brother in Christ i really do but wow you are dull. P4U

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

wanderer6059 said:

kjv
In 1604, King James I of England authorized that a new translation of the Bible into English be started. It was finished in 1611, just 85 years after the first translation of the New Testament into English appeared (Tyndale, 1526). The Authorized Version, or King James Version, quickly became the standard for English-speaking Protestants. Its flowing language and prose rhythm has had a profound influence on the literature of the past 400 years. The King James Version present on the that you are using matches the 1987 printing. update your bible to a more accurate translation if you cannot understand the meaning of the one in your hands ("you idiot" friend again)

agree king james authorized it, hence i can't take it to the "king james guy" because he is dead ("you idiot" friend)

no ("you idiot" friend) i was describing the ("idiotic" friend again) words you said. because ("idiot" friend) your ("to stupid" friend) misunderstanding Gods word and speaking blasphemy ("you idiot" friend again last time)

this is me i'm going to bed your not evil or possessed you are just stupid, i love you man as a brother in Christ i really do but wow you are dull. P4U

Repent means change your mind, so all in all He repented..,.., but take it as you please.. King James is not dead we had a nice glass of tea and read some bible verses yesterday

chubbena · Jan 11, 2014

Tintin said:

No doubt and thus he has made a lot of horror movie with occult ingredients.

NodMyHeadLikeYeah · Jan 11, 2014

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say your crazy too....

I mean that in a very Christ like way of course.

chubbena · Jan 11, 2014

Arwen4CJ said:

So they could use human means to guild you further from the Doctor the Christ? So far has he said anything against the faith? A man is judged by his cyberspace name? There are way more questionable ones on this forum!

chubbena · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel, would you please park the sensationalism and get serious? Christ didn't employ such so why do you brother?

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

chubbena said:

I'm my bible He has. You say other wise... We believe in Jesus but don't continue in his walk?

Paul's says 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1 Corinth 1 maybe just read all of it because its all good..

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

chubbena · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

Sorry I thought bad of you but your posts seemed to me you were drawing more attention to yourself than to God the Father and His Son.

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

chubbena said:

If I draw attention to my self I would fall in this category
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I believe these people believd in God but did not love him, so live a lifetime of sin or in other words didnt keeping his commandment (love God and love neighbor)

wanderer6059 · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

....................................WOW

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

wanderer6059 said:

Seems to me you are stuck in Romans 7 but you need to be in Romans 8

wanderer6059 · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

simiel i say this as nicely as i can, but you have no real understanding of the bible or faith. i am glad that you accept Christ that means your saved at least. if you cant understand and truly understand what you read don't talk about it. you have know idea what you are talking about like the post last night show. really you are not smart or wise i wish i could see your IQ because the amount of stupid that comes from you is amazing.

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

wanderer6059 said:

Thanks . For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.

wanderer6059 · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

i have the gift of knowledge given to me from the Spirit, i do believe you "might" have the gift of healing from the Spirit.

but again you are taking things out of context. you have a simple mind for your faith.

i will ask you this if you show gifts of the Spirit witch ones do you show? and what do they mean?

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

wanderer6059 said:

My simple mind for a simple gospel.. But you can't understand the gospel wit the mind it is out if your new heart this gospel is understood.

All gifts are worked threw faith.. Faith is worked threw love. The Corinth church had no love(or little of it) so they could only operate bits of the spirit. He also tells them to seek all gifts. In other words seek to know the love of God. Once you know the love of God it's no longer gifts you operate from but the fullness of Christ. A lot of Jesus healings was done out of compassion which is a attribute of love. Nothing he did was self seeking but only did things to please the farther another attribute of love. And so on. Best way I can explain it

wanderer6059 · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

read and understand if you can. its the word of God read it the think about it if you are being told by everyone you are wrong take it to you pastor and ask that he help you understand it better........

1. Apostle (apostolos). The Greek word means "one sent forth" (on an official errand), i.e., an ambassador. In addition to the twelve original disciples who became apostles, Paul was added to the list of those commissioned by God to lay the foundations of the Christian church and impart a full body of truth which would guide Christian faith and conduct. There were also other apostles, for example, Barnabas, Acts 14:4,14; Andronicus and Junia, Romans 16:7, 2 Corinthians 8:23; Philippians 2:25. The need for apostles diminished as the church became established. If there are any apostles today they might be found among pioneer missionaries who establish churches in foreign lands where the gospel has not yet been proclaimed. Christians today are under apostolic authority, however there is no Biblical reason to believe in the so-called apostolic succession of authority in the church. Ray Stedman likens the apostles in the Body of Christ to the skeleton and musculature of the human body.
2. Prophet, prophecy. (prophetes), lit: "to speak forth," to proclaim the mind and counsel of God, i.e., the gift of preaching. Differs from pastor-teacher in scope. Ray Stedman compares the role of the NT prophet to the nervous system of the body. NT prophets do not make predictions about the future as the OT prophets did, but gather their message from the Scriptures. Nor is God giving the church new revelation through such individuals today. The gift of prophecy is likewise not for giving secret messages from God to individuals in the church. Prophets vigorously stimulate and challenge the Body of Christ, pastor-teachers patiently feed the sheep and care for their needs. Prophets are to edify, exhort and console, (see 1 Cor. 14:3).
3. Evangelist, evangelism. (evangelistes) from eu = well, plus angelos = messenger. The gift of bringing the good news of God to unbelievers individually and in groups. The content of the message is outlined in I Cor. 15. Ray Stedman compares this gift to the digestive apparatus of the human body which has the ability to take material which is not a part of the body and transform it into parts of the body. Evangelists are also to teach other believers how to lead people to the Lord Jesus. Timothy evidently did not have this gift but Paul nevertheless urged him to "do the work of an evangelist".
4. Pastor-teacher (poimenes kai didaskalos), shepherd and teacher. Ray Stedman describes this gift as analogous to the circulatory system of the human body which "cleanses and feeds" the members of the body. Ray Stedman once said he believed this was a this is a common gift, given to perhaps a third of Christians.
5. Administration. (kubernesis = government). To pilot, guide, or steer as one steers a ship. To preside over the assembly and guide the proceedings. In order to preserve order in Christian meetings the person in charge should know how to direct the course of events towards a spiritual goal as led by the Spirit.
6. Leadership, (proistemi) "to stand before" that is attend to with care and diligence, as the head of a family does. Perhaps this also includes setting the pace, imparting direction and goals in a ministry since sheep are lazy and helpless and prone to wander off course. Most people like to follow a good leader. God's leaders are not only visionary they lead by serving.
7. Faith. (pistis), Faith-vision: the ability to believe God for new direction and power---visionary faith that sets in motion events others can join in and follow. All Christians have some faith because "without faith it is impossible to please God." Also anyone's faith grows as it is exercised. However there is also a gift of "faith-vision" which pioneers new ministries, encourages others and helps them to grow in faith. "Without a vision the people perish" (Proverbs 29:18).
8. Knowledge. (logos gnoseos), lit: "word of knowledge," systematic understanding of truth in broad, sweeping terms so that others may be trained and instructed. Not supernatural utterances from God. All Christians have some knowledge, but there is also a gift of knowledge given to some so they may teach and edify the Body. The ability to sum up lots of information or pieces of knowledge so as to give a clear concise overview.
9. Wisdom (logos sophias), lit: "word of wisdom." The ability to make wise choices and decisions at critical forks in the road. Very valuable to an individual or a group when it needs to choose but has no specifically clear information on the best choice. All Christians can grow in wisdom as they make a series of wise choices over a life-time, however there is also a gift of wisdom given to some in the Body of Christ.
10. Exhortation, encouragement. (paraklesis), to call alongside, comfort, strengthen, to counsel, exhort, bring aid, admonish. The same Greek word describes the Holy Spirit's role in our lives.
11. Discernment (of spirits) (diakriseis pneumaton), is a gift to judge or evaluate the spirits so as to distinguish whether something is from God or from an evil source. Similar to the natural talent of intuition but of course more reliable and consistent.
12. Ministering (diakonia), to serve (hence our word deacons). A wide variety of activities one performs with the help of God to comfort, encourage, support and build up God's people. Also, (huperetes), an under-rower or servant as distinguished from an ordinary seaman on a Roman galley.
13. Service (helps) (antilempsis), "to lay hold of (and support)", especially the weak and needy. To minister to others and meet their needs.
14. Giving, (metadidomi), is the gift of sharing and imparting, not only money but other resources. All Christians should learn to give generously since "God loves a 'hilarious' giver", however certain individuals are given the gift of giving so they can act as stewards over material resources in the Body of Christ.
15. Tongues (that is, "kinds of languages") (gene glossan). The ability to speak in other languages not previously learned, but known languages to men. The gift is for the purpose of praising God. It must be directed to God, not to be used to pass a message from one member to another or from one member to the congregation. Not a means of communication from the Lord to the flock. A sign to Israel especially to mark the beginning of a new dispensation. A sign to unbelievers.
16. Interpretation of Tongues. The ability to translate unknown languages so as to edify and instruct others regarding what has been said.
17. Miracles. (energemata dunameon) The ability to raise men from the dead, call fire down from heaven and otherwise present signs that authenticate the power of God in certain situations.
18. Healing(s). (charismata iamaton) (plural). Ability to heal at the physical, emotional and spiritual levels. The word is plural in Greek, probably suggesting that the ability to heal refers to all three levels of man. Today, God sometimes heals physically, but more often emotionally and spiritually. A valuable gift for a counselor.
19. Mercy (eleos) An ability to touch inwardly with compassion. To be exercised with "cheerfulness".
20. Hospitality. (philoxenia), lit: "love of strangers." May not be a spiritual gift but definitely a Christian virtue. Those who believe this is a separate gift also hold that all believers are to practice hospitality.
Note: A Christian's service involves the entire Trinity.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are the sovereign choice of the Holy Spirit.
The place of our service is chosen by the Son of God, and
the workings, or style, of our ministry is determined by the Father.

This is made clear by the following passage:

"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord (Jesus Christ); and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God (the Father) who inspires them all in every one. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. (1 Cor. 12:5-7).

Simiel · Jan 11, 2014

wanderer6059 said:

read and understand if you can. its the word of God read it the think about it if you are being told by everyone you are wrong take it to you pastor and ask that he help you understand it better........

1. Apostle (apostolos). The Greek word means "one sent forth" (on an official errand), i.e., an ambassador. In addition to the twelve original disciples who became apostles, Paul was added to the list of those commissioned by God to lay the foundations of the Christian church and impart a full body of truth which would guide Christian faith and conduct. There were also other apostles, for example, Barnabas, Acts 14:4,14; Andronicus and Junia, Romans 16:7, 2 Corinthians 8:23; Philippians 2:25. The need for apostles diminished as the church became established. If there are any apostles today they might be found among pioneer missionaries who establish churches in foreign lands where the gospel has not yet been proclaimed. Christians today are under apostolic authority, however there is no Biblical reason to believe in the so-called apostolic succession of authority in the church. Ray Stedman likens the apostles in the Body of Christ to the skeleton and musculature of the human body.
2. Prophet, prophecy. (prophetes), lit: "to speak forth," to proclaim the mind and counsel of God, i.e., the gift of preaching. Differs from pastor-teacher in scope. Ray Stedman compares the role of the NT prophet to the nervous system of the body. NT prophets do not make predictions about the future as the OT prophets did, but gather their message from the Scriptures. Nor is God giving the church new revelation through such individuals today. The gift of prophecy is likewise not for giving secret messages from God to individuals in the church. Prophets vigorously stimulate and challenge the Body of Christ, pastor-teachers patiently feed the sheep and care for their needs. Prophets are to edify, exhort and console, (see 1 Cor. 14:3).
3. Evangelist, evangelism. (evangelistes) from eu = well, plus angelos = messenger. The gift of bringing the good news of God to unbelievers individually and in groups. The content of the message is outlined in I Cor. 15. Ray Stedman compares this gift to the digestive apparatus of the human body which has the ability to take material which is not a part of the body and transform it into parts of the body. Evangelists are also to teach other believers how to lead people to the Lord Jesus. Timothy evidently did not have this gift but Paul nevertheless urged him to "do the work of an evangelist".
4. Pastor-teacher (poimenes kai didaskalos), shepherd and teacher. Ray Stedman describes this gift as analogous to the circulatory system of the human body which "cleanses and feeds" the members of the body. Ray Stedman once said he believed this was a this is a common gift, given to perhaps a third of Christians.
5. Administration. (kubernesis = government). To pilot, guide, or steer as one steers a ship. To preside over the assembly and guide the proceedings. In order to preserve order in Christian meetings the person in charge should know how to direct the course of events towards a spiritual goal as led by the Spirit.
6. Leadership, (proistemi) "to stand before" that is attend to with care and diligence, as the head of a family does. Perhaps this also includes setting the pace, imparting direction and goals in a ministry since sheep are lazy and helpless and prone to wander off course. Most people like to follow a good leader. God's leaders are not only visionary they lead by serving.
7. Faith. (pistis), Faith-vision: the ability to believe God for new direction and power---visionary faith that sets in motion events others can join in and follow. All Christians have some faith because "without faith it is impossible to please God." Also anyone's faith grows as it is exercised. However there is also a gift of "faith-vision" which pioneers new ministries, encourages others and helps them to grow in faith. "Without a vision the people perish" (Proverbs 29:18).
8. Knowledge. (logos gnoseos), lit: "word of knowledge," systematic understanding of truth in broad, sweeping terms so that others may be trained and instructed. Not supernatural utterances from God. All Christians have some knowledge, but there is also a gift of knowledge given to some so they may teach and edify the Body. The ability to sum up lots of information or pieces of knowledge so as to give a clear concise overview.
9. Wisdom (logos sophias), lit: "word of wisdom." The ability to make wise choices and decisions at critical forks in the road. Very valuable to an individual or a group when it needs to choose but has no specifically clear information on the best choice. All Christians can grow in wisdom as they make a series of wise choices over a life-time, however there is also a gift of wisdom given to some in the Body of Christ.
10. Exhortation, encouragement. (paraklesis), to call alongside, comfort, strengthen, to counsel, exhort, bring aid, admonish. The same Greek word describes the Holy Spirit's role in our lives.
11. Discernment (of spirits) (diakriseis pneumaton), is a gift to judge or evaluate the spirits so as to distinguish whether something is from God or from an evil source. Similar to the natural talent of intuition but of course more reliable and consistent.
12. Ministering (diakonia), to serve (hence our word deacons). A wide variety of activities one performs with the help of God to comfort, encourage, support and build up God's people. Also, (huperetes), an under-rower or servant as distinguished from an ordinary seaman on a Roman galley.
13. Service (helps) (antilempsis), "to lay hold of (and support)", especially the weak and needy. To minister to others and meet their needs.
14. Giving, (metadidomi), is the gift of sharing and imparting, not only money but other resources. All Christians should learn to give generously since "God loves a 'hilarious' giver", however certain individuals are given the gift of giving so they can act as stewards over material resources in the Body of Christ.
15. Tongues (that is, "kinds of languages") (gene glossan). The ability to speak in other languages not previously learned, but known languages to men. The gift is for the purpose of praising God. It must be directed to God, not to be used to pass a message from one member to another or from one member to the congregation. Not a means of communication from the Lord to the flock. A sign to Israel especially to mark the beginning of a new dispensation. A sign to unbelievers.
16. Interpretation of Tongues. The ability to translate unknown languages so as to edify and instruct others regarding what has been said.
17. Miracles. (energemata dunameon) The ability to raise men from the dead, call fire down from heaven and otherwise present signs that authenticate the power of God in certain situations.
18. Healing(s). (charismata iamaton) (plural). Ability to heal at the physical, emotional and spiritual levels. The word is plural in Greek, probably suggesting that the ability to heal refers to all three levels of man. Today, God sometimes heals physically, but more often emotionally and spiritually. A valuable gift for a counselor.
19. Mercy (eleos) An ability to touch inwardly with compassion. To be exercised with "cheerfulness".
20. Hospitality. (philoxenia), lit: "love of strangers." May not be a spiritual gift but definitely a Christian virtue. Those who believe this is a separate gift also hold that all believers are to practice hospitality.
Note: A Christian's service involves the entire Trinity.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are the sovereign choice of the Holy Spirit.
The place of our service is chosen by the Son of God, and
the workings, or style, of our ministry is determined by the Father.

This is made clear by the following passage:

"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord (Jesus Christ); and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God (the Father) who inspires them all in every one. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. (1 Cor. 12:5-7).

Do you give me bible are interpretion of some one else.. Each thing I said was from the bible. If you think that's how it works I ask you go study Jesus's walk... People who fell among Paul shadow was healed. People who just touch Jesus garmet was healed.. ... Actually I ask you go read and spend time with Holy Spirit.

Arwen4CJ · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

That's because you picked a piece from Mark that has questionable authenticity. We don't know that that part came from Jesus or not. In other words, there is question about it. That is not the best piece of Scripture to use to try to justify any doctrine.

All right, but this isn't the main purpose for why Jesus came, and it isn't our main purpose as Christians. We are to proclaim the gospel. We aren't to proclaim signs and wonders.

Again, my issue with your theology (and hyper-charismatic theology in general) isn't that you believe in the spiritual gifts, and that they are for today. My issue with it is the amount of emphasis that you place on the gifts. This movement places more emphasis on the gifts than it does on Jesus Christ. Carried to its extreme, instead of preaching about Jesus Christ and the gospel, people preach signs and wonders and try to "wow" people into God's kingdom through displays of power.

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but that isn't what you seemed to be saying in your post to me. When you reference Scripture you need to explain why you are referencing it, and what you are trying to say with it. Otherwise people can easily misunderstand. I had to guess from your post why you put it there.

It isn't up to us to fix all the problems of the world. We can be led by God in certain situations, but we are not the Savior. Not even Jesus or His followers fixed every problem in other people's lives that they encountered. Jesus and His disciples did heal and they did do things, but it all was to point back to Jesus Christ and the fact that He was/is the Messiah.

Jesus doesn't remove our ability to sin. Jesus' blood does cover our sins, and we are made righteous only through Him.

Do you think that Jesus took away our sinful nature?

From the context it looks like Jesus was rebuking the people who said, "your disciples could not drive it out," more so than He was the disciples.

Also, this passage was about driving out demons, not healing someone physically. It's dangerous to use this passage to justify and say that everyone should be healed in every single instance. Jesus didn't say that, nor did the NT writers believe that. If this was something that the church was supposed to emphasize, then don't you think this would have been expounded upon somewhere in the Bible?

It seems to me that Scripture uses "spiritual gifts" and "spiritual manifestations" the same way.

1 Corinthians 12-13 (NASB)
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking [SUP][a][/SUP]by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is [SUP][b][/SUP]accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except [SUP][c][/SUP]by the Holy Spirit.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith [SUP][d][/SUP]by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of [SUP][e][/SUP]healing [SUP][f][/SUP]by the one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and to another the [SUP][g][/SUP]effecting of [SUP][h][/SUP]miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the [SUP][i][/SUP]distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For [SUP][j][/SUP]by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [SUP][k][/SUP]any the less a part of the body. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [SUP][l][/SUP]any the less a part of the body. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? [SUP]18 [/SUP]But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If they were all one member, where would the body be? [SUP]20 [/SUP]But now there are many members, but one body. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]On the contrary, [SUP][m][/SUP]it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; [SUP]23 [/SUP]and those members of the body which we [SUP][n][/SUP]deem less honorable, [SUP][o][/SUP]on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, [SUP]24 [/SUP]whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, [SUP]25 [/SUP]so that there may be no [SUP][p][/SUP]division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is [SUP][q][/SUP]honored, all the members rejoice with it.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And God has [SUP][r][/SUP]appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then [SUP][s][/SUP]miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. [SUP]29 [/SUP]All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of [SUP][t][/SUP]miracles, are they? [SUP]30 [/SUP]All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? [SUP]31 [/SUP]But earnestly desire the greater gifts.

And I show you a still more excellent way.

13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body [SUP][a][/SUP]to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, [SUP]5 [/SUP]does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, [SUP]6 [/SUP]does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP][SUP][b][/SUP]bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails; but if there are gifts of [SUP][c][/SUP]prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part; [SUP]10 [/SUP]but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I [SUP][d][/SUP]became a man, I did away with childish things. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror [SUP][e][/SUP]dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the [SUP][f][/SUP]greatest of these is love.

The real power of the kingdom of God is when a sinner comes to know and believe in Jesus Christ as his/her Lord and Savior, and begins to trust in Him rather trust in himself/herself. The real gospel speaks the truth and transforms lives because it is the account of what God has done for us. That is where the power is. No other true story can claim this.

It can be accompanied by sings and wonders, but it doesn't have to be. The gospel is powerful enough on its own.

Healing is not guaranteed in the atonement. Yes, when someone is sick we should pray for them. However, there is no guarantee that they will be healed in this life. Jesus did die for all people, which is why we share the gospel with people. Again, there is no guarantee that just because we pray for someone that God has to act the way we want Him to. Sometimes God chooses to take people to be home with Him.

We do not have our resurrected bodies yet, thus we are all susceptible to death and disease. We will not have our resurrected bodies until Jesus returns.

Arwen4CJ · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

No, John 14:12 is not a text that was added in later. It is authentic.

The question of greater works here is what kind of greater works they are. As more and more people come to faith in Jesus Christ, more and more people will believe in Him and be saved. This is the greatest work possible -- salvation.

Now, with more believers comes a greater number of people in the church. Paul tells us that the Holy Spirit distributes gifts just as He chooses -- so there would be more people working together and being used to advance the gospel. More people = more gifts, and the more good believers can do as a church. That is another way to look at it.

People often misuse John 14:12 to try to say that each believer should be able to do all the miracles that Jesus did, and miracles that are better than the miracles that Jesus did. No where is this interpretation affirmed in Scripture. Paul didn't tell us to copy all of Jesus' miracles and try to outdo Him. Neither did Jesus say this. Neither did any author of the NT.

Arwen4CJ · Jan 11, 2014

Simiel said:

So you believe that you are no longer tainted with original sin, and that you can live the rest of your life completely free of sin...

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