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Here is why i believe the KJV of the bible is GODs word,

No other bible has being more persecuted or questioned in history,
No other bible has anyone ever tried to destroyed.

And this is even before you even open the first page

Please enjoy and marvel :)
The Story of The King James Bible - YouTube
 
Angela53510

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Other than the archaic language which turns people off, the use of late manuscripts translated by Erasmus, a Catholic priest, and some addendums not in the earliest manuscripts, a good start for a Bible commissioned by a king who believed in the divine right of kings!

The ESV is much closer to the original languages, I've done a lot of translating from Greek and Hebrew and it was closer more times than KJV!

Good for you if it works for you! Try pulling up some of the old threads on this topic - we've been round the block and back on this topic!
 
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I agree with Angela. Most biblical teachers/scholars are advocating that the ESV is closest to the original manuscripts.
 
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here is another link...

Bible Phrases - a list of everyday phrases that come from the Bible.

It is the only bible authorized ever to be read in church
It is the only bible ever to be ordained by a king

You say the language is archaic, but when it was written English was in its purest form, we have destroyed the English language, You talk about Manuscripts and yet the ESV is apart of the Alexandrian text that westcott and hort tried to use, in the 1800s,

And i should believe most scholars? If i believed experts id be an atheist :) I believe Evolution is what most "experts" say is the cause of life.
 
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and 38miles i agree with what GOD said about scholars :) Malachi 2:12 says, "The Lord will cut off the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the Lord of hosts." If your basis on the preservation of GODS word is on men and scholars and not the holy spirit your utterly doomed for failure.
 
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Young man, there is in-depth meaning in the original language that the English (not limited to) translations completely lost. There is things written within context that only the native reader would understand in it's naive language, unless of course if you learned to understand it. KJV already lost some pretty insightful things that couldn't be translated. No use in saying its the perfect translation.
 
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atomiku said:
Here is why i believe the KJV of the bible is GODs word... (...)
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KJV without the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit is just a book like any other.
God's Word speaks to ALL nations, not just to english speaking people who happen to prefer the KJV.

And btw, what comes closest to the 'original' are still the hebrew and greek texts...
 
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atomiku said:
Here is why i believe the KJV of the bible is GODs word,

No other bible has being more persecuted or questioned in history,
No other bible has anyone ever tried to destroyed.

And this is even before you even open the first page

Please enjoy and marvel :)
The Story of The King James Bible - YouTube
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That would be because the KJV has been around for much longer than the modern versions and the older releases haven't been as widely available. It doesn't mean anything concerning the holiness of the translation, compared to others.
 
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38miles said:
I agree with Angela. Most biblical teachers/scholars are advocating that the ESV is closest to the original manuscripts.
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Clearly you run in different circles than I. I do not know one person that prefers the ESV over the KJV.
 
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Spokenpassage said:
Young man, there is in-depth meaning in the original language that the English (not limited to) translations completely lost. There is things written within context that only the native reader would understand in it's naive language, unless of course if you learned to understand it. KJV already lost some pretty insightful things that couldn't be translated. No use in saying its the perfect translation.
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It is true what you say concerning lost meaning, no real names for 1, and that's a biggie. (I mean, how can you call on His name if you've never known what His name is?) There is yet prophecy to be fulfilled.

"O Yahúweh ... the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make The Mighty One for himself, which are not The Mighty One? Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My Name is Yahúweh
," Jer. 16:19-21.

Has our Messiah not clearly stated in John 17:26b that He will make His Father's Name known to us? Are we allowing Him, Who works in us, to do this work of restitution, of restoring, or giving us pure lips, "a pure language, that they all may call on the Name of Yahúweh " ? Zeph. 3:9.
 
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atomiku said:
here is another link...

Bible Phrases - a list of everyday phrases that come from the Bible.

It is the only bible authorized ever to be read in church
It is the only bible ever to be ordained by a king

You say the language is archaic, but when it was written English was in its purest form, we have destroyed the English language, You talk about Manuscripts and yet the ESV is apart of the Alexandrian text that westcott and hort tried to use, in the 1800s,

And i should believe most scholars? If i believed experts id be an atheist :) I believe Evolution is what most "experts" say is the cause of life.
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The KJV Bible was ordained by a king? Doubtful. I think you mean commissioned by. And really does that mean anything? It doesn't. Not unless that King is the King of Kings and that's not King James. The language is archaic and while I do believe language is dumbed-down at times (text-messaging etc.) this isn't the case with more modern translations. Language by it's very nature is dynamic and ever-changing. Think about The Canterbury Tales from the Medieval times. They're even more difficult to read than the KJV. Does that mean the KJV is written in a dumbed-down language? No.

By the way, you should know that at the time the KJV was published the language it was written in, was out of date by a couple hundred or more years. God's Word comes in many forms. As long as the message remains the same, it doesn't matter if you use the KJV or the ESV (or some other translation), the Holy Spirit will work through it. If you think it does matter, then you may be suffering from something known as spiritual pride. It's a common side-effect for KJV-Onlyists. Also, while many scholars, experts etc. may not be steeped in God's Truth, there are those who do work for God's Kingdom. You can't ignore some for the many. We don't know everything. We can learn from each other.
 
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Clearly you run in different circles than I. I do not know one person that prefers the ESV over the KJV.
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Generational differences probably. I know many people that prefer the ESV over the KJV. I know very few people (in real life) who read the KJV and none that believe it's the only true translation.
 
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atomiku said:
Here is why i believe the KJV of the bible is GODs word,

No other bible has being more persecuted or questioned in history,
No other bible has anyone ever tried to destroyed.

And this is even before you even open the first page

Please enjoy and marvel :)
The Story of The King James Bible - YouTube
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I like the King James Version myself, but that's more for my own personal taste in writing style. I read the new american version so-called cause its in our modern American-english vernacular. Lol, the cool thing about the Bible is people forget it's not one book but is a collection of books and letters. The KJV, and all other version of all other languages, not just english rendering, tells the same story the same exact way (hence how we can cross-reference the different versions and have semantics debates or find where certain people lied and added in bullcrap). Thus the compilations of books and letters called the Bible proves its veracity throughout all tongues and lands and ages and time itself thus why for thousands of years not one single man can destroy it, millions of men have tried (maybe billions or more) and have failed because they can only try by falsifying it lol and in millions of languages in Truth anyone can prove them wrong lol.
 
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Angela53510 said:
Other than the archaic language which turns people off, the use of late manuscripts translated by Erasmus, a Catholic priest, and some addendums not in the earliest manuscripts, a good start for a Bible commissioned by a king who believed in the divine right of kings!

The ESV is much closer to the original languages, I've done a lot of translating from Greek and Hebrew and it was closer more times than KJV!

Good for you if it works for you! Try pulling up some of the old threads on this topic - we've been round the block and back on this topic!
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Angela, that is a lie. The ESV which is just a catholic bible perversion, is not at all closer to any of the "original langauges."

The ESV - Another King James Bible Believer

Oh and another thing; the modern bibles also contain "archaic" language. So let's not be hypocritical.

Strange how a lot of the new version supporters who always want to bring up the "archaic" words that are in the AV, how they seem to always fail to mention about the "archaic" words that also can be found in their NIV or ESV.
 
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The Great Bible Debate of 2014

Is it too early to update / upgrade the Title? :p

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:)
 
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of ANY errors in the KJV?
 
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Assault On The Bible

Is another awesome resource, there is so much to prove modern translations are corrupted and heretical, why wont people see?
 
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