i'm asking you what changes someone when they are under grace in other words... what does it mean to you to be under grace and not under law, since grace is something to be under it must have a effect under the person that ends the law as the bible said it is, and i don't hate nothing how can i hate the shadow of christ? grace is the spirit of christ itself dwelling within you when the believe first believes and accept christ that is what grace is God putting his own spirit that was in Jesus within you, so how can they be a law for the spirit of christ? we lust after the things of God automatically when we are reborn that is the reason why... we aren't under the law the law is the shadow of christ shows us who God is how righteous he is and showed us we are nothing like him and need the savior himself to be righteous, that is where baptism of the holy spirit comes in
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Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Another way to say this, the spiritual mind is friends with Almighty, for it is subject to the law of Almighty, and Messiah makes this possible.
The argument is partially due to the translations leaving out so much. Partly due to willful people who have hard hearts to relinquish control to their Maker. It's something that needs be done daily, die to yourself and obey Messiah. He said, if you love Him you will obey Him.
Another way to say this, the spiritual mind is friends with Almighty, for it is subject to the law of Almighty, and Messiah makes this possible.
The argument is partially due to the translations leaving out so much. Partly due to willful people who have hard hearts to relinquish control to their Maker. It's something that needs be done daily, die to yourself and obey Messiah. He said, if you love Him you will obey Him.
Many have explained to you Josh, and you still don't get it!!
We are under grace not law, for the law kills those under it, we aren't under law because we go to Christ to be forgiven.
We receive the HS from Christ, we put on Christ, we follow Christ. We understand, supernaturally, given understanding by Christ. That does not rule out that we must check what we understand with scripture and "law". The original word that God used to explain to us, the word our translators used English "law" for is hard to put into English, for we would have to have the mind of the ancient Hebrews to truly understand. Best we can do is "guidance" "instructions". The original word in Hebrew is torah. We need the HS. We need the instructions that are written. We need Christ. We need God. We need the torah. All of it.
Even when we put on Christ, when we have the HS, we still are not so perfect that we do not need scripture. We are to feed our spirit with scripture every day. The law, or guidance of God in scripture, is needed. We are not God, even when God is within us. We still have some of the flesh. Don't ever trust yourself to live without scripture.
We are under grace not law, for the law kills those under it, we aren't under law because we go to Christ to be forgiven.
We receive the HS from Christ, we put on Christ, we follow Christ. We understand, supernaturally, given understanding by Christ. That does not rule out that we must check what we understand with scripture and "law". The original word that God used to explain to us, the word our translators used English "law" for is hard to put into English, for we would have to have the mind of the ancient Hebrews to truly understand. Best we can do is "guidance" "instructions". The original word in Hebrew is torah. We need the HS. We need the instructions that are written. We need Christ. We need God. We need the torah. All of it.
Even when we put on Christ, when we have the HS, we still are not so perfect that we do not need scripture. We are to feed our spirit with scripture every day. The law, or guidance of God in scripture, is needed. We are not God, even when God is within us. We still have some of the flesh. Don't ever trust yourself to live without scripture.
we aren't under the entire law anyone christ fulfilled it through his spirit.... give me, " we follow, i follow " nonono.. christ lives the life in you, the law is the shadow of God showed how perfect he was but we couldn't follow his perfection in the flesh we can't so he send his spirit the real thing to live in us so it's christ living within us righteously, not our righteousness his
You are getting lost in meaningless words. You live, not in the life you will have after you pass from this life, but in a body in this life. "Christ lives in you". Or you have the Holy Spirit in you. "The law is the shadow of God" That isn't from scripture. Don't add your words to scripture. The law is no shadow at all, the blood of animals were a shadow, for instance, but not the law. Even with the spirit of God in you, you still have free will and you can follow it every minute (you aren't perfect you can't) or minute by minute you can choose. All the other words you are using to tell about this are sort of misting over how it is in this world you are living in.
[h=3]2 Corinthians 3:14[/h]King James Version (KJV)
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
no not exactly free will, if someone receive christ we are servants of God automatically, just like when i was a sinner i was a servant of sin automatically, being dead to sin i'm married to christ now servant to christ automatically by the heart you can read romans 6 to conform this
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
no not exactly free will, if someone receive christ we are servants of God automatically, just like when i was a sinner i was a servant of sin automatically, being dead to sin i'm married to christ now servant to christ automatically by the heart you can read romans 6 to conform this
2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?"
Isayah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
Isayah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
Telling that you continually attack truth because it doesnt match your tradition.
Mattithyah's name was not Matthew.
Yahchanan's name was not John.
Kepha's name was not Peter.
When you replace YHWH with Lord, you are following rabbinical law, whether you know it or not.
Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!
Mattithyah's name was not Matthew.
Yahchanan's name was not John.
Kepha's name was not Peter.
When you replace YHWH with Lord, you are following rabbinical law, whether you know it or not.
Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!
Psalms 51:10-13
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
God Bless
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
God Bless
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You are substituting Hebrew names for Greek names. How is that any different for using English names for Greek names? You are doing the exact same thing by substituting Hebrew names for Greek names.
John = Ióannés
Matthew = Maththaios
Peter = Petros
You are deceiving yourself by using Hebrew names for Greek names. The NT was written in Greek.
John = Ióannés
Matthew = Maththaios
Peter = Petros
You are deceiving yourself by using Hebrew names for Greek names. The NT was written in Greek.
Are you deceiving yourself when you change " Maththaios" into "Matthew" ? Why is there no outrage for this change? Ohhh, because most are steeped in comfort and tradition over truth.
The Hebrew names were substituted for greek names in the first place, yet Hebrew Mattithyah (yes there is a Hebrew version of "Matthew" and it is more original in its content than any other version of Matt, and it) uses their real names, which were Hebrew.
Yahchanan means Yahweh is merciful, and this was the mans name, he was Hebrew, he had a Hebrew name that had a Hebrew meaning.
You remind me of a Constantine quote, "we shall have nothing to do with the rabble of the Jews."
The Hebrew names were substituted for greek names in the first place, yet Hebrew Mattithyah (yes there is a Hebrew version of "Matthew" and it is more original in its content than any other version of Matt, and it) uses their real names, which were Hebrew.
Yahchanan means Yahweh is merciful, and this was the mans name, he was Hebrew, he had a Hebrew name that had a Hebrew meaning.
You remind me of a Constantine quote, "we shall have nothing to do with the rabble of the Jews."
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regarding what I bolded...
Elin, maybe it would profit our friend JesusLives if you posted a link to your exceedingly fabulous
Leviticus study? (if I knew how it would already be done.
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lemme try this, and if I completely mess it up, will you do cleanup. sis?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html
Elin, maybe it would profit our friend JesusLives if you posted a link to your exceedingly fabulous
Leviticus study? (if I knew how it would already be done.
)lemme try this, and if I completely mess it up, will you do cleanup. sis?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html
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I think you're right, my friend. Communicating via text is difficult. Not only can one not see the speaker's face, and hear their vocal intonations, but so much time can go by between posts and so many other words are spoken by others.
But we persevere! lol!
btw--I cannot highly enough recommend the thread I linked (successfully...shocking!) above on Leviticus.
I believe you will be blessed by it. ♥
I printed it and my husband and I studied it together. Really good!
~ellie
But we persevere! lol!
btw--I cannot highly enough recommend the thread I linked (successfully...shocking!) above on Leviticus.
I believe you will be blessed by it. ♥
I printed it and my husband and I studied it together. Really good!
~ellie
When I lived in Asia my name did not change on my passport or when I introduced myself to people.
My point and yours are irrelevant.
Now I am not implying the following to you, I just want to speak it:
People love "who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved." Yet as soon as someone says Yahweh/Yahshua or however one thinks His real name is pronounced people have ALL kinds of problems. Is there not a Scripture that says:
Mark 13:13, "And you will be hated by all men for My Name's sake; but he who will endure until the end, the same will be saved."
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Acts 4:10-12, "Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israyl, that in the Name of Yahshua Messiah of Nazareth, Whom you nailed on a stake, but Whom Yahweh raised from the dead--by Him does this man stand here before you,
healed. This is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the Head stone of the corner, Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Yahshua means Yahweh's Salvation.
Now I know, I think im special and have a free pass because I say a name (which I dont think). Yet when others do it in the name of tradition all is well, when I use HIS actual name, there is a problem.
The letter "J" did not even exist untill the 16th century, but I am the one who needs correction and rebuke?
I love Yahweh's and Yahsha's names, I choose to use them, I promote people to use their real names, I dont attack people for not using them, usually only bring it up when I am attacked or the topic is brought up. Yet I am attacked for using them, attacked for using their REAL names.....
Psalm 22:22, "I will declare Your Name to My brothers! In the midst of the congregation I will give You praise!"
Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; Lord--then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
My point and yours are irrelevant.
Now I am not implying the following to you, I just want to speak it:
People love "who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved." Yet as soon as someone says Yahweh/Yahshua or however one thinks His real name is pronounced people have ALL kinds of problems. Is there not a Scripture that says:
Mark 13:13, "And you will be hated by all men for My Name's sake; but he who will endure until the end, the same will be saved."
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Acts 4:10-12, "Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israyl, that in the Name of Yahshua Messiah of Nazareth, Whom you nailed on a stake, but Whom Yahweh raised from the dead--by Him does this man stand here before you,
healed. This is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the Head stone of the corner, Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Yahshua means Yahweh's Salvation.
Now I know, I think im special and have a free pass because I say a name (which I dont think). Yet when others do it in the name of tradition all is well, when I use HIS actual name, there is a problem.
The letter "J" did not even exist untill the 16th century, but I am the one who needs correction and rebuke?
I love Yahweh's and Yahsha's names, I choose to use them, I promote people to use their real names, I dont attack people for not using them, usually only bring it up when I am attacked or the topic is brought up. Yet I am attacked for using them, attacked for using their REAL names.....
Psalm 22:22, "I will declare Your Name to My brothers! In the midst of the congregation I will give You praise!"
Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; Lord--then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
It is important for all to keep in mind what the Angel instructed Mary that she should call His name Salvation because He was to save His people.
Now salvation in Hebrew is yeshua. Yeshua was transliterated from this Hebrew to Greek, then from the Greek transliteration to the Latin, and finally from the Latin to English leaving us with Jesus. Go all the way back to what the Angel said, and it is Salvation. Cool.
As long as people realize every time they say Jesus or Yeshua they are saying Salvation, I am a happy brother camper...................
Now salvation in Hebrew is yeshua. Yeshua was transliterated from this Hebrew to Greek, then from the Greek transliteration to the Latin, and finally from the Latin to English leaving us with Jesus. Go all the way back to what the Angel said, and it is Salvation. Cool.
As long as people realize every time they say Jesus or Yeshua they are saying Salvation, I am a happy brother camper...................