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Definition_Christ · Oct 13, 2009

Medication will take away your symptoms of anxiety yes.
But there are other ways IE: change your diet, exercise, set goals and build up your confidence.

You will never *get rid* of anxiety. You just find ways to cope with it and there are a number of techniques. Yes one way is taking medication. I agree. But I disagree when you say it's the only way. Even if it is a chemical unbalance just eat healthier foods, take vitamins. Especially B vitamins which are really good for your nervous system which most people who suffer with an anxiety disorder are very sensitive in. There are natural ways to go about this as well.

Edit: Oh and supernatural ways.

tennisguy2010 · Oct 13, 2009

Yeah but ur relating apples to oranges, and the fact of the matter is we honestly dont fully understand the malfunction. There is a good chance its in response to dopamine and serotonin, and if it is then meds really would be the only viable option. Like saying that you can cure a cold with high quantitys of vitamin c or by using other natural stuff, none of this stuff is proven effective.

MaggieMye · Oct 13, 2009

But not all things that come from G-d are good and perfect. Excuse me? ALL things from God are good and Perfect, for He is a Good and perfect God.
#37 "our normal anxiety disorders that are causing our problems. Not demons. " "Normal", "anxiety" and "disorder???? NORMAL is NOT DISORDER. You are decieved to think that anxiety DIS ORDER is "normal." If it were 'normal', it would NOT be called a DIS order. It is a DIS ease...being Ill at ease, not at ease, not at peace and THAT is demonic...for it is satan that come to kill (you), steal (your peace) and distroy (your destiny in the kingdom of God)
Let's be careful when we decry against fear, hm? How about let's get educated as to how the spiriutal realm...the demonic realm, specifically, works against us 24/7.
when i started getting panic attacks i thought it was demons i couldnt even sleep It was and that was their goal. If you can't sleep, you loose your health, become depressed and non-functional. When you stop DOING, then you loose your destiny in the Kingdom...they win....especially if it gets to the point of suicide.
Panic attacks are perfectly natural.NO,they are not. If they were EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THEM...and they don't. I used to have them often. I still do have them, I just don't have them as often.
That being said, demons have no power over you. They do if you are having panic attacks. You need to take your authority over the spirits and command them to leave in the name of Jesus Christ. I know people like to say they do, but they don't. What you KNOW, is a lie.
EVERYTHING is spiritual...everything.
Ever see the DVD by Rob Bell "Everything Is Spiriutal"? Worth its weight in GOLD.
Maggie

tennisguy2010 · Oct 13, 2009

MaggieMye said:

But not all things that come from G-d are good and perfect. Excuse me? ALL things from God are good and Perfect, for He is a Good and perfect God.
#37 "our normal anxiety disorders that are causing our problems. Not demons. " "Normal", "anxiety" and "disorder???? NORMAL is NOT DISORDER. You are decieved to think that anxiety DIS ORDER is "normal." If it were 'normal', it would NOT be called a DIS order. It is a DIS ease...being Ill at ease, not at ease, not at peace and THAT is demonic...for it is satan that come to kill (you), steal (your peace) and distroy (your destiny in the kingdom of God)
Let's be careful when we decry against fear, hm? How about let's get educated as to how the spiriutal realm...the demonic realm, specifically, works against us 24/7.
when i started getting panic attacks i thought it was demons i couldnt even sleep It was and that was their goal. If you can't sleep, you loose your health, become depressed and non-functional. When you stop DOING, then you loose your destiny in the Kingdom...they win....especially if it gets to the point of suicide.
Panic attacks are perfectly natural.NO,they are not. If they were EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THEM...and they don't. I used to have them often. I still do have them, I just don't have them as often.
That being said, demons have no power over you. They do if you are having panic attacks. You need to take your authority over the spirits and command them to leave in the name of Jesus Christ. I know people like to say they do, but they don't. What you KNOW, is a lie.
EVERYTHING is spiritual...everything.
Ever see the DVD by Rob Bell "Everything Is Spiriutal"? Worth its weight in GOLD.
Maggie

Um.....how do we get educated on how the spiritual realm and demonic realm work against us???? you are really quite defensive about this, I mean it all isn't one sided if a brother and sister engage in intercourse and have a son who is mentally challenged i wouldn't say its gods work or satans work but a error in humans. Were humans we have bodies 100 percent reliant on working together, sometimes things malfunction and its not always a battle of good and evil.

Definition_Christ · Oct 13, 2009

tennisguy2010 said:

If we don't know the reason why he is getting anxiety then I am not mixing apples with anything. Not only are there various types of anxiety disorders but there are also many things that cause all types of anxiety. To assume having anxiety is just as medically treated as schizophrenia is absolutely wrong. You don't know the cause of his anxiety nor do I. So you have no reason to assume you know what the case is and the only diagnose is medication.

Arel · Oct 13, 2009

MaggieMye said:

Except the Scriptures disagree with you. For example, Isaiah 45:7 tells us that G-d created evil. Elsewhere throughout the Scriptures, we know that G-d created ALL things, including the dangerous and deadly things such as diseases, hurricanes, and other things that only hurt and kill people.

"Demons" can't work against you unless you allow them to and unless G-d allows them to.

Blue eyes are perfectly natural, but everyone does not have blue eyes. Heterochromea is natural, but not everyone has that. Bananas are natural, but not every fruit is a banana.

Just because everyone doesn't have them doesn't make them unnatural. It just makes them uncommon.

G-d alone has authority over the spiritual realm, and by extension so does Yeshua.

What I know is either biblically sound or verifiably sound...as in, it's been proven.

yaeger1 · Oct 13, 2009

Arel said:

isnt it satan an his angles DEMONS that possese and temp us....

Lad · Oct 13, 2009

personally i believe everything good comes from God and everything bad comes from satan with Gods permission. so seeing as a panic attack is bad its most probably satan. im not going to try give you a 5 step plan for healing or tell you what to say or give you a formula to make it go away, cos i dont know anything bout that stuff. however all i can do is say pray for healing and ill pray for you too, and if it comes it comes if it doesnt it doesnt. but keep in mind God isnt mean he wouldnt do this, and he only let satan do it for a reason. Keep the love

*hugs*

Arel · Oct 13, 2009

yaeger1 said:

Possess, no. If you follow G-d, they cannot possess you. As for tempting...yes, but they tempt you because G-d lets them tempt you.

Thaddaeus · Oct 13, 2009

Arel said:

Blaspheme Blaspheme!!!!!!

Thaddaeus · Oct 13, 2009

Arel said:

"Demons" can't work against you unless you allow them to and unless G-d allows them to.

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could you please show me from scriptures where the Devil asked Job if he could destory His life . it ain't there that is a false teaching , He had to go through God but he never asked Job

yaeger1 · Oct 13, 2009

you never heard jesus heal demon possed people...

Definition_Christ · Oct 13, 2009

yes Jesus did do that but bro, you have the Holy Spirit living in you! You are a child of God.. How long can a demon stay in light for before it HAS to leave?.. The bible says resist the devil, surrender to God and the devil will flee! Ignore the enemy.. He will have to leave. Everything must bow to the name of Jesus so just praise the Lord.. See if any demon sticks around while you are praising God

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Arel · Oct 14, 2009

Thaddaeus said:

It's not blasphemy, it's in the bible.

Arel · Oct 14, 2009

Thaddaeus said:

Arel said:

I'm sure you could bring up any instance in the bible and say, "Oh, look, it didn't happen here, so it doesn't happen at all!"

But the fact remains that if G-d gives you the ability to resist demons, you can choose NOT to resist them and let them in, or you can use that power that G-d gives you and resist them.

Arel · Oct 14, 2009

yaeger1 said:

He didn't "heal" demon possessed people. He cast out the demons. That's not healing.

That being said, I never said demons DON'T possess people. I just said that if you truly follow G-d, you CANNOT be possessed by demons. And anyone who IS possessed by demons, they were possessed because G-d allowed them to be.

Harley_Angel · Oct 14, 2009

I don't think demons can go into your body, mess with your brain and make it so your body doesn't produce the right amounts of hormones, chemicals, nueron synapses, etc that can cause some people to have panic attacks. Like I said, there are really three types of panic attacks. There are the ones that are purely psychological where YOU psyche yourself out over nothing (maybe persuaded by "demons"), there are the types of panic attacks that are induced by a stressful or fearful situation (like getting pulled over by a police officer, held at gun point, etc, and these, Maggie, are PERFECTLY NATURAL), and lastly there are the chronic panic attacks caused by a chemical or nutritional imbalance in our body (some of which can be fixed with diet and exercize, and some of which need other medications).

Not all panic attacks are demonic. And yes, panic attacks are normal. Anybody who has ever been in a life or death situation can attest to that. Having chronic panic attacks is abnormal because it's being caused by something not working properly in your body.

How you chose to deal with your panic attacks depends on what type it is, the severity, and how you feel is right to take care of them. My grandma chose suicide, my mom chose lexipro and booze, and I chose calming breathing techniques with diet/exercise and mind over matter.

God created everything perfectly. Everything He created does exactly what it was meant to do. Whether or not it has the capacity for evil (which God created and allows so there would be a free will and choice between doing right and doing wrong), it is still perfect. Satan is not good, he is in fact, quite evil, but he works perfectly within the perameters that God created. If there was no evil to tempt us, what point would there have been in Jesus's sacrifice? We'd still be living in the Garden of Eden. But God wants us to come to HIm of our own accord, and in order for that to be possible, He gave us a choice. He loves us SO MUCH, he lets us choose what we want to do because love is not coercion or force, it has to be given and recieved freely.

MaggieMye · Oct 14, 2009

You don't know the cause of his anxiety nor do I. So you have no reason to assume you know what the case is and the only diagnose is medication. Well, I DO know the reason for anxiety whether YOU want to accept that or not. Seven years of studying deliverance and spiritual warfare and you LEARN.

Except the Scriptures disagree with you. For example, Isaiah 45:7 tells us that G-d created evil. right. But I did NOT say that He didn't create evil. I SAID, He GIVES US only good and it is PERFECT for HIS WILL Elsewhere throughout the Scriptures, we know that G-d created ALL things, including the dangerous and deadly things such as diseases, hurricanes, and other things that only hurt and kill people. WRONG. God did not create disease. Disease is the CONSEQUENCE of SIN, hurricanes that kill are judgment. NOTHING happens without His permission, true. And His word says "[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13"If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, 14and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 15"Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to the prayer offered in this place. [/FONT]
Blue eyes are perfectly natural, but everyone does not have blue eyes. Heterochromea is natural, but not everyone has that.In anatomy, heterochromia refers to a difference in coloration Bananas are natural, but not every fruit is a banana. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The things you list are things, GOOD things, found in nature. Anxiety is NOT a good thing. It is a CONDITION of LACK OF PEACE.
Just because everyone doesn't have them doesn't make them unnatural. It just makes them uncommon. Anxiety IS unnatural and people go to the Dr. to get RID of it!!
G-d alone has authority over the spiritual realm, and by extension so does Yeshua. And THIS is where the church fails miserably!!! IF Christ has all authority given to Him by the Father, [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 28:18 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, " [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Jesus has ALL authority on earth AND in heaven)[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and HE is living IN US [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 17 22"The glory which You have given Me[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] I have given to them[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], t[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]hat they may be one, just as We are one;[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] 23[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I in them and You in Me,[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] that they may be perfected [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]in unity[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Father and the Son, are ONE. Christ in us, WE are ONE with Him (1 Cor 6:17). WHEN a person is BORN of GOD and Jesus is Living INSIDE that person, that person and the Lord are ONE and WE DO have ALL the authority in the heavenly realm that Jesus does, He in us. This is completely Biblical and has not been taught (thanks to Constantine, et al, for almost 1900 YEARS!!! Eph 6:12 tells us that OUR BATTLES are not with people, not even ourselves, but with powers, principalities, rulers of wickedness and SPIRITUAL FORCES in wickedness: [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. There is NO WAY for us to fight these battles if we do not have authority in the spiritual realm.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 10:19 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jesus has given to His disciples ALL THE POWER over the enemy. THAT is spiritual territory. It is the spiritual realm. IF you are born of God, born again, YOU ARE a disciple. People perish for lack of knowledge.[/FONT]

MaggieMye · Oct 14, 2009

FYI...Casting out demons IS healing. Consider the Gadarene demoniac. When Jesus cast out the demons, he was HEALED! Scripture tells us that Jesus went about casting out demons AND healing the sick. One leads to the other. There is no healing with out the casting out of demons and there is no casting out of demons that does not bring healing.
Maggie

Arel · Oct 14, 2009

MaggieMye said:

But, see, that's not true either. He also said He causes rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous alike. He also brought some of the worst trials known to man on Job. He put Jonah through all kinds of crap.

To say that something exists without G-d having created it is to say that something or someone is more powerful than G-d.

G-d has brought ALL things into existence.

Partially correct. Heterochromia is specifically someone who has two different colored eyes. Not just a difference in coloration, but that, say, I have a blue eye and a brown eye.

Regardless, it's perfectly natural.

No, I'm comparing natural things to other natural things. That's not apples to oranges.

People go to the doctor to get rid of the common cold. Yet the common cold is natural.

But what that verse says is that Yeshua and G-d are in agreement, and likewise are we in agreement with him. That's what "we are one" in that verse means. IN AGREEMENT.

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You keep saying that perish line, but you don't seem to hold to it much, considering you obviously lack knowledge in certain areas.

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