Manifest Sons of God doctrine

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@Arwen and Praus Yes I am quite familiar with their demonism and such lol. From my understanding the Kundalini is a hindu/buddhist concept of a serpent (curious choice for them to believe it is a serpent) that is anchored in their spine that they believe they can force to use during meditation and yoga and all that sorta stuff. Not sure if I should call it just plain hokey or demonic, but I have noticed in my research how the people that get real into that stuff all seem to talk about some very similar characters that tell some very similar lies to them lol.

This is also how I know Simiel is not preaching a demonic doctrine. All that I have seen him say so far in various topics is pretty extraordinary actually and is in fact Scripturally sound and in accordance with Jesus and the rigorous Bible tests. Not saying you gotta go out and practice this stuff because I myself am kinda unsure of myself too and want to learn more first, but I gotta say this stuff Simiel is telling us and some of the healers he has shown us (ie: Pete Cabrera Jr) is pretty cool. Even from a skeptic and a Biblical supernaturalist point of view I have to say this stuff from what I have seen and weighed so far fits the Bible's definitions and tests for legit "miracles."
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
This is also how I know Simiel is not preaching a demonic doctrine.
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I'm not clear how you arrived at that conclusion.

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I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man.
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I'm not clear how you arrived at that conclusion.
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If you had 1 Oreo cookie. And I flipped it what side will it land on top or bottom?

Have I said anything that's not in the bible?
 
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@Praus I arrived at that conclusion by watching you all question him for days and not being able to overthrow his words with Scripture (and him actually being able to overthrow all of your words with Scripture). Also I am pretty aware of the pagan/witchcraft and how it works even though I never practiced that filth myself. Lol, I can pick out witchcraft pretty quickly even if that person doesn't realize they are doing witchcraft (which is sadly too common these days.)

Really though the Scriptural knowledge he possess is pretty stunning. Lol maybe instead of trying to accuse him of witchcraft, for which I personally can tell you he is not one, maybe we should be asking him greater questions about Jesus since he obviously knows better than we do. This guy has sound biblical wisdom, I've all ready learned a lot more about Jesus just by watching you guys question him, and I've read the whole Bible!
 
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Arwen4CJ said:
From the thread:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82687-people-say-im-crazy-16.html


I suggest that we start a new thread, branching from the "people say Im crazy thread," since Simiel has left the thread, and the whole thread became a different topic altogether.

Cobus originally posted this at the above thread:


I'll give my response in a bit. In the mean time, anyone is welcome to respond.
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i didn't read the whole thing but i read the highlighted parts and i see nothing wrong with it
 
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Simiel said:
If you had 1 Oreo cookie. And I flipped it what side will it land on top or bottom?

Have I said anything that's not in the bible?
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Matt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

John 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
 
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alright i am just going to say this simiel you are not a Christian by your theology you are just here spouting nonsense so why are you here.... you are not hear to learn the truth. so why what is the point in you being here preaching false teachings???????
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
@Praus I arrived at that conclusion by watching you all question him for days
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I have done no such thing, in fact, he's the one questioning me.

Please point to the post where I've questioned him about anything.

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If you had 1 Oreo cookie. And I flipped it what side will it land on top or bottom?
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wanderer6059 said:
alright i am just going to say this simiel you are not a Christian by your theology you are just here spouting nonsense so why are you here.... you are not hear to learn the truth. so why what is the point in you being here preaching false teachings???????
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Well that's not true. Simiel has proven he knows more about Jesus than most of you. Maybe hes not learning about Jesus anymore. Maybe he is teaching us about Jesus. Your heart is just too hard to listen to wisdom. I implore you brother turn away from that error, learn man. Look up all his scriptural references! They are supported by Scripture! If there is one point Simiel makes that can be overthrown with Truth and the Bible I promise you all now I will let you know.
 
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I have done no such thing, in fact, he's the one questioning me.

Please point to the post where I've questioned him about anything.
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By your statements and the statements you have supported on here you have thus questioned his belief in Jesus. Which is forgivable, but please understand Simiel does believe in Jesus. How many times must he tell you all? And this isn't a message just directed to you personally but to everyone here.

I'm sorry I just feel like I am watching a modern day version of the stoning of Stephen and I don't like feeling like I'm holding your coats. Please forgive me, and forgive yourselves. Let's all learn more about Jesus. Simiel has a lot to offer us in this regard, we all have a lot to learn about Jesus and teach eachother about Jesus. So isn't that what we should do?
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
Well that's not true. Simiel has proven he knows more about Jesus than most of you. Maybe hes not learning about Jesus anymore. Maybe he is teaching us about Jesus. Your heart is just too hard to listen to wisdom. I implore you brother turn away from that error, learn man. Look up all his scriptural references! They are supported by Scripture! If there is one point Simiel makes that can be overthrown with Truth and the Bible I promise you all now I will let you know.
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I suggest that you read the context of the verses that Simiel uses to try to make his points. He has taken things out of context, and he has not renounced his kenosis position (that Jesus laid aside His divinity when He came to earth). To claim that Jesus was not God while on earth is to deny His deity. This goes against Scripture.

There are a lot of people out there who take a few verses from the Bible to proof text some position they hold. If they quote you the Bible verse, you will "see" that what they say is in the Bible, but if you don't look at the context......then you can fall for what they say.
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
I'm sorry I just feel like I am watching a modern day version of the stoning of Stephen
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That's a poor analogy, if you read Acts 7 you'll see that Stephen didn't need someone else to represent his opinions like Simiel does....
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
By your statements and the statements you have supported on here you have thus questioned his belief in Jesus. Which is forgivable, but please understand Simiel does believe in Jesus. How many times must he tell you all? And this isn't a message just directed to you personally but to everyone here.

I'm sorry I just feel like I am watching a modern day version of the stoning of Stephen and I don't like feeling like I'm holding your coats. Please forgive me, and forgive yourselves. Let's all learn more about Jesus. Simiel has a lot to offer us in this regard, we all have a lot to learn about Jesus and teach eachother about Jesus. So isn't that what we should do?
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I'm not trying to stone him. I'm questioning some of the things he has said in this thread and the other thread. Some of the things he has said are unbiblical.

I am not saying he is going to hell, or that he should be condemned for his views, or anything of the sort.

All I'm saying is that he has beliefs that don't line up with Scripture. We are challenging him on those beliefs. There is nothing wrong with challenging others about what they believe. In fact, I don't think it would be healthy not to. We all grow from having discussions like this.
 
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Arwen4CJ said:
I suggest that you read the context of the verses that Simiel uses to try to make his points. He has taken things out of context, and he has not renounced his kenosis position (that Jesus laid aside His divinity when He came to earth). To claim that Jesus was not God while on earth is to deny His deity. This goes against Scripture.

There are a lot of people out there who take a few verses from the Bible to proof text some position they hold. If they quote you the Bible verse, you will "see" that what they say is in the Bible, but if you don't look at the context......then you can fall for what they say.
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I have read the context of the verses he's posted and you've posted. He has in fact kept them in context.

Where has Simiel stated that Jesus was not God? I have not seen him claim this once. I have seen you claim he said that, but I have not seen him claim it himself.

And its not about him taking one or two verses but the fact he has taken many verses that all fit in context to what he's saying and fit into the larger context of the Bible story. I've read the Bible I know what it's point is. Simiel is correct and you are wrong. You are just too hardhearted to admit it. Look I admitted it when I questioned him. I even admitted I have more to learn. So let's learn together and let's all get closer to Jesus is my opinion.

This stoning of Stephen has to stop man. I can't bear to watch it anymore.
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
Well that's not true. Simiel has proven he knows more about Jesus than most of you. Maybe hes not learning about Jesus anymore. Maybe he is teaching us about Jesus. Your heart is just too hard to listen to wisdom. I implore you brother turn away from that error, learn man. Look up all his scriptural references! They are supported by Scripture! If there is one point Simiel makes that can be overthrown with Truth and the Bible I promise you all now I will let you know.
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Satan knows how to quote scripture very well

Matt 4:6-7 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
 
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That's a poor analogy, if you read Acts 7 you'll see that Stephen didn't need someone else to represent his opinions like Simiel does....
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Lol my name is Stephen
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
Well that's not true. Simiel has proven he knows more about Jesus than most of you. Maybe hes not learning about Jesus anymore. Maybe he is teaching us about Jesus. Your heart is just too hard to listen to wisdom. I implore you brother turn away from that error, learn man. Look up all his scriptural references! They are supported by Scripture! If there is one point Simiel makes that can be overthrown with Truth and the Bible I promise you all now I will let you know.
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all i can say tho you is wow he is not a Christian he is teaching false doctrine and 1 you never stop learning about Christ NEVER 2 look back at my post from the last thread and you see his are not mine are, i even use scripter to prove my self unlike simiel. 3 evry single one of his points has been overturned. 4 i hope the Lord our God lovingly Bible smaks the stupid out of you....
 
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Praus said:
Satan knows how to quote scripture very well

Matt 4:6-7 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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Indeed, that is the one time the Serpent quotes scripture. Trully one of the darkest points in the Bible in my opinion because Satan literally tries to beguile God into killing himself by twisting Scripture and taking it out of context.

I always found Jesus' reply "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" to be a great response.


Consider this, was Jesus tempted here? This is the only one of the 3 temptations where Jesus gives any indication that he is tempted. (Also fun fact is this is just yet another proof for Jesus divine claim.)
 
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If you fellas don't mind me asking. What is your denomination? Or the denomination of the church you go to?
 
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Simiel said:
If you fellas don't mind me asking. What is your denomination? Or the denomination of the church you go to?
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I don't attend any churches of stone. I have just tried to make my church the people and my preacher the Bible.
 
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