Attack of the Judaizers

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JesusLives

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Here's your Yahweh:

"Depart from me you evil gentile pork fat eaters and Sabbath laborers. For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me. But you refused to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset and you defiled my temple by stretching your beans with pork lard.... therefore I never knew you."

You can keep your Yahweh.


From the passion coming from your post you would think that a Judaizer had a gun to your head saying you must keep Sabbath, don't you dare eat pork, etc... I hear no one on this post doing that to you. You have free will and you can do or believe anything you want. I won't think any differently of you. It is the Holy Spirits job to convict and convince people of sin and the Holy Spirit draws us to repentance and helps us change our lives. Please don't take the title of this thread so literally and go on the attack.

In the end there will be two groups of people. Those who follow Jesus and do what He says and go where He leads and accept His free gift of salvation and those people who do not and don't accept His free gift of salvation. There will be no denominational name attached to the group of people who follow Jesus. Jesus himself said other sheep have I that are not of this fold.

So why all the bickering back and forth we should be loving each other and lifting each other up and let Satan be the bad guy. I am a Judaizer and I just want to show and give the love we are instructed to give and show. I promise I won't hurt you if I choose to worship God on Saturday and if I don't eat a piece of pork. You have a right and free will to make your own choices and what I do or what you do is between us and God.

Praying for a peaceful day for all. Love in Christ.
 
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Thanks Elin for the 2x4 to the butt, so, we will get real. serious. Love never takes away the letter of the law, love shows us the heart of the law. That is how "the law converts the soul" It shows us love, and our short comings in keeping the love in the law; God, then sends us back to the law to get more insight to love a new. again. Hoffco
 

JaumeJ

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I honestly believe what we witness in this forum is what our Lord declared when He said He did not come to bring peace on earth, rather He came to divide. Why should there be absolute peace in a world given over to Satan. That, again my brother Hoffco, is an entirely nefarious notion.................and so it goes.
 
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Hoffco

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Thank you JesusLives, If you leave the issues to our "free wills" then you are not a "Judaizer" ! You are a God fearing man. Hoffco
 
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Hoffco

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JaumesJ are you saying that keeping the law of God is a nefarious thing? Rockbysea, had a very good sarcastic point. The true Christian doesn't care what I eat, it is to the glory of God to eat or not to eat, it is up to God and my conscience alone, it is none of your business, period! His sarasum, is so true, this is the attitude of a true Judaizers," to Hell with you pork eatting sinners" . that is the evil heart of the judaizers. Hoffco
 

JesusLives

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That's not what you people say and you know it. The point of contention is the Sabbath but you keep hiding behind the word "Laws" but you all do not keep all the Laws of the old covenant. So instead of being honest and just posting threads about the Sabbath you have to dress up your threads under titles about Law.... a constant deception. Every thread you people post should be about the Sabbath not about the law. But if you did that you would sound like a bunch of crazies talking about the Sabbath all the time.

But in reality your doctrines are pure lunacy about a cruel God exterminating billions of poor people who eat pork and don't keep the Sabbath. I tell it like it is... I get to the point because I've been there... i know what you people do and how you live. I was part of the strictest and largest law keeping and Christ believing denomination on the planet. And all that law keeping brought the whole organization to oblivion and now they are fractured into thousands of pieces

Your doctrine in the real world has no power and is unsustainable because it's not real.
Mark 9:38-42
38 - Now John answered Him, saying, Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name and we forbade him because he does not follow us.
39 - But Jesus said, Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
40 - For he who is not against us is on our side.
41 - For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
42- But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.

I guess what I am trying to get at is that we call ourselves Christians and we should be playing for the same team. We do have differences in our beliefs from a doctrinal standpoint but we all believe we need Jesus as our Savior and accept His free gift of salvation. We can't decide who will go to hell that was not our job God/Jesus is our judge that is for Him to decide. Our job was commissioned to us to go and preach/teach the gospel - good news of salvation to the world and then the end would come.
 
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I confess, I do all I am able to obey God.

You may be doing all you can do to obey portions of the old covenant. But you are not doing all you can do to obey Christ because Christ did not command His followers to obey portions of the old covenant.
 

john832

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You may be doing all you can do to obey portions of the old covenant. But you are not doing all you can do to obey Christ because Christ did not command His followers to obey portions of the old covenant.
Uh, which portions did He command us not to obey?
 
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Hoffco

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Ok, JaumeJ, the ball is in you Park, let see,if by the grace of
God ,if you can hit a home run, or will you continue to strike out,.? Love to all, Hoffco
 
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Mat 7:21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Notice the words in red? Means they came straight out of the mouth of Jesus Christ.
All of the NT is the word of God spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, not just what is in red.
 

john832

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JaumesJ are you saying that keeping the law of God is a nefarious thing? Rockbysea, had a very good sarcastic point. The true Christian doesn't care what I eat, it is to the glory of God to eat or not to eat, it is up to God and my conscience alone, it is none of your business, period! His sarasum, is so true, this is the attitude of a true Judaizers," to Hell with you pork eatting sinners" . that is the evil heart of the judaizers. Hoffco
Unless the heart is to try to show that God does expect obedience and that many will fall into this trap...

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Christ says that will be the many. I, for one, wish that no one would face this judgment.
 
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Hoffco

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john832, just read the New T. and God will, personally, tell you what parts are for you to obey and what parts you,personally, can forget. Love to all, Hoffco
 

john832

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All of the NT is the word of God spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, not just what is in red.
Sure it is, but I did not ask about all of the N.T., I specifically ask about this verse...

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

What does this mean? Can you explain it?
 

john832

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john832, just read the New T. and God will, personally, tell you what parts are for you to obey and what parts you,personally, can forget. Love to all, Hoffco
I do beleive that, but I do have a heart for those who dismiss all of the OT out of hand as having been replaced by "the Law of Christ".
 
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Uh, which portions did He command us not to obey?
The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers is the whole NT,
not just the red letters.

We are not to obey
the sacrificial laws
the defilement (persons, houses, garments, food) laws,
the purification laws,
the Day of Atonement laws,
the day, months, seasons, years feast days (Gal 4:10-11),
the circumcision laws,
etc., etc., etc.
 
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Sure it is, but I did not ask about all of the N.T., I specifically ask about this verse...

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

What does this mean? Can you explain it?
That's pretty clear, don't you think?

I'm having a hard time figuring out why it is so difficult for you to understand these things.

Are you saying that obedience to Jesus' two commands in Mt 22:37-39 is not obedience to all the Ten Commandments? (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10; Gal 5:6).
 

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Some cannot hear, because they are New Testament only believers, by their own admission, "if it doesn't say it in the NT, then it isn't for us today".

Here is one from NT, but they seem to overlook it and cannot picture themselves as part of (spiritual) Israel today.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


Also, as part of (spiritual) Israel we read from OT and quoted again in NT regarding the House of Israel.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

(Psalms 119:176) I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

(Jeremiah 50:6) My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

(Matthew 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Matthew 15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Luke 15:4) What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

(Luke 15:6) And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

(John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

(John 10:14) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying
people.


2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And because He lives in us, and has given us Instructions on how to live for Him....

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Now which of the above do the NT only say is not in the NT? Why, of course, the Sabbath. The Sabbath jumped out of the Ten Covenant words and into the ceremonial laws (which no where in the scripture can you find the phrase "ceremonial laws").

And to those of us who understand the New Covenant, the laws written on our hearts, we understand that the Sabbath is A SIGN between us and which god we serve. For there is only one who requires the Sabbath be kept holy, and all other religions will not keep the Sabbath, because they are not serving the one and only true Creator God and His Son.

Very few times do certain NT's only respond to my quoted scriptures. Why is that?
 
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Some cannot hear, because they are New Testament only believers, by their own admission, "if it doesn't say it in the NT, then it isn't for us today".

Here is one from NT, but they seem to overlook it and cannot picture themselves as part of (spiritual) Israel today.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


Also, as part of (spiritual) Israel we read from OT and quoted again in NT regarding the House of Israel.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

(Psalms 119:176) I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

(Jeremiah 50:6) My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

(Matthew 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Matthew 15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Luke 15:4) What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

(Luke 15:6) And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

(John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

(John 10:14) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying
people.


2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And because He lives in us, and has given us Instructions on how to live for Him....

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Now which of the above do the NT only say is not in the NT? Why, of course, the Sabbath. The Sabbath jumped out of the Ten Covenant words and into the ceremonial laws (which no where in the scripture can you find the phrase "ceremonial laws").

And to those of us who understand the New Covenant, the laws written on our hearts, we understand that the Sabbath is A SIGN between us and which god we serve. For there is only one who requires the Sabbath be kept holy, and all other religions will not keep the Sabbath, because they are not serving the one and only true Creator God and His Son.

Very few times do certain NT's only respond to my quoted scriptures. Why is that?
Probably because you don't understand the difference between God's revelation in the OT, which was

up to the time of Jesus' death, and God's revelation in the NT, which was after Jesus' death.
 
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Shalom!

I read your post and her: " (John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

(John 10:14) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. "

I love to compare Ezekiel 34. It seems to be the same, fulfiled in the NT.