Manifest Sons of God doctrine

[Arwen4CJ]

so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven

This verse came to my head. Idk why

Matthew 13:10-17 (NASB)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” [SUP]11 [/SUP][SUP][d][/SUP]Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. [SUP]14 [/SUP][SUP][e][/SUP]In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,

‘[SUP][f][/SUP]You will keep on hearing, [SUP][g][/SUP]but will not understand;
[SUP][h][/SUP]You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For the heart of this people has become dull,
With their ears they scarcely hear,
And they have closed their eyes,
Otherwise they would see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart and return,
And I would heal them.’

[SUP]16 [/SUP]But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.



I don't know why you thought of that verse, Simiel, but I believe that God can use it here....

There are several things we can see here. First, it is pointing to the fact that Jesus is the Messiah. It also speaks to us about His truth -- for those who can see Him as He is -- 100% God and 100% human. He is the Messiah, and He is both man and God. He didn't lay aside His deity when He came to earth, and He didn't lay aside His divine attributes. All of the miracles and the things that He did and said pointed to who He is -- to fully who He is.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Adam was born from the ground and God.. What does that make Adam?

Adam was directly created by God. He and Eve were the only two humans who never had a mother who gave birth to them. That doesn't mean that our bodies are not created by God, but our bodies are created as babies. Adam's body was created as an adult.

Do you really believe that Adam were 100% alike in the nature?
Both Adam and Jesus came without original sin, of which Adam did not have until he sinned.
Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. Adam was not. But, then, you don't believe that Jesus was God while on earth....

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Did any body deny God here?

You have denied that Jesus was God while on earth. That is denying what He claimed about Himself.

Maybe you don't realize that denying His deity while on earth is denying what He claimed about Himself, but it is. Kenosis denies the truth that Jesus Christ claimed about Himself. That is what is at issue here.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

I haven't denied Jesus nor has Simiel.

Is not his philosophy the one that comes from Jesus own lips as written in four Gospels preserved throughout the ages?

Jesus claimed to be God while on earth. He did not claim to only be a mere man.

John 8:48-59 (NASB)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]The Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?” [SUP]49 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. [SUP]50 [/SUP]But I do not seek My glory; there is One who seeks and judges. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” [SUP]52 [/SUP]The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ [SUP]53 [/SUP]Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?” [SUP]54 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; [SUP]55 [/SUP]and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. [SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced [SUP][p][/SUP]to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” [SUP]57 [/SUP]So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” [SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham [SUP][q][/SUP]was born, I am.”[SUP]59 [/SUP]Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus [SUP][r][/SUP]hid Himself and went out of the temple.


That is a direct claim to be God. He was not saying, "I'm just a man here....."

 

[Arwen4CJ]

I could t have said it better, God bless you all. And what a privilege it has been speaking amongst you. I am honored for the time you shared with me.. Love you all

Please pray about some of the issues we have brought up in both threads.....I believe that God can reveal the truth to you regarding the falseness of the kenosis doctrine, and other teachings that you have picked up along the way.

Jesus has always been God. He never laid it aside. He was God before coming to earth, and He was God when He walked the earth, and He was God when He ascended into heaven, and He is God now. He is returning some day.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

what do you mean by God?
What do you mean by prophet?

I can tell you what the Bible says

God = the one and only God, Yahweh.
Prophet = someone who speaks the truth about God, as one of my friends said, someone who "speaks to the truth in power."

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Jesus IS a prophet

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


Jesus IS God

Jesus IS the Bible word of God.

where are your Bible verses?

Using WAS shows total unbelief In Jesus the WORD OF GOD

What's true of God in the past tense is also true of Him in the present tense.
Jesus was God. Jesus is God. Both are correct.

What isn't correct is to say that Jesus stopped being God at any point, which is what the kenosis doctrine claims.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Show me from the Bible
anyone can make stuff up

They called Jesus DEMON POSSESSED going around to decieve the people

they didnt have Bible verses either.

Jesus is a king
He is the ONLY preist
the church now has NO priests and Jesus is the ONLY priest

any church claiming to have priests now is Babylon confusion of doctrines.

very easy study Ill let you check that out

What are you trying to address here? Sorry....I'm a bit confused. No one here is claiming that Jesus isn't the King, or our high priest.

What some people here are claiming is that Jesus stopped being God while He walked the earth in the incarnation.

also his kingdom is not of this earth
but his kingdom is INSIDE of you
the holy spirit uniting in humanity to make a new order of being...
a NEW creation

if interested I can put the verses up here.

Please explain what you mean when you say, "His kingdom is not of this earth, but the kingdom is inside of you. "

Since you didn't give us an explanation, we can interpret that phrase several different ways....

Also, what did you mean by your statement, "the holy spirit uniting in humanity to make a new order of being...a new creation?"

That sounds....well, I'll withhold what I am going to say so that I can give you a chance to explain what you mean.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Jesus is the Love of God

Explain what you mean please. That statement, like your others, can be taken more than one way.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Yashua.
The Jesus with scars in his hands.
Not the one running around country to country saying he is god with no scars in his hands.

Okay -- I'm a bit confused....what do you mean here?

Are you saying that Jesus was not God until after His resurrection from the dead? Or are you saying something else?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I think Simiel is correct in what he is teaching us about Jesus, I think he just has a hard time explaining it. Let me try to explain it (and forgive me if I am misinterpretting you Simiel and feel free to correct me where I am wrong.)

Okay now let's all look that we all agree Jesus is the Son of God, he had the Holy Spirit of God, etc. We all agree on this and this is good starting point. So let's build off of what we all agree upon that we all might then come to better understanding.

Now Simiel's main claim I think that disturbs you all (and I admit it even made me wonder) is that we can do things like Jesus did like for instance healing people. Now see here is the thing, Jesus Himself said we can heal people and do all those wonders. That is not unbiblical and I don't think anyone argues against this. I think what everyone's concern here is that if Simiel is healing people, is if he is doing it in the name of Jesus as Jesus said we should. So anyone that claims to heal in the Name of Jesus is not nessecarily a liar and they should be considerred not cast aside immediately. (Not saying you shouldn't weigh them, look I weighed Simiel myself. Like Arwen has done a good point in pointing out is though healing powers is real, some people do in fact try to use them to teach another Gospel, which is of course bad.) But don't cast aside the people too fast now because if they really are healing people in the Name of Jesus in accordance to the Gospels then we should be thankful to Jesus for helping people even in our time today.

I think it really comes down to this reoccuring topic. Was Jesus God and how did He prove it? See all the miracles like turning water to wine, healing people, casting out demons, etc. are in fact not proof at all that Jesus was God because Jesus said we can all do the same (in His Name mind you.) And of course the Apostles and such who were trully human like all of us did the same, but we know none of them were the Messiah, but rather acting in His Name.

Now Jesus was in fact human. I think what Simiel means by Him leaving His deity behind in Heaven is moreso him trying to express that God didn't come down to earth in his grand awesome glory because if you refer back to Exodus 33 when Moses got to see God's back parts, God even tells Moses that if he had seen God's full glory that Moses would have perished. Thus Jesus was God in human form if I might coin such a term, because otherwise everyone that saw him would have perished immediately.

Also remember God came to us as a human in Jesus because He had to save us all and the only way that is possible is if He came as a human to sacrifice Himself because obviously God the Father (or God's godly form) cannot die or be harmed in anyway possible.

So since we know Jesus was God in human form, and we know none of his supernatural miracles are proof that He is God, let's ask ourselves this question. How can we prove Jesus was God? How did Jesus prove that He was who He was?

Now hey this can be a kind of fun exercise in faith and understanding. Understand through his words and life story Jesus proved this to be true in literally hundreds of ways. So let's all have a little exercise in Bible Discussion and instead of fighting show our testimony of our belief in Jesus. I ask you all to give one proof that lead you to believe Jesus is God.


My personal favorite proof is one that is often the most misinterpretted.

When Jesus was on the cross Jesus asked a question. That question is "Father why have you forsaken me?"

Now a lot of people think Jesus sinned here, thus the misunderstanding, but they are incorrect because Jesus could not sin. Jesus merely asked a question to His Father. Furthermore Jesus asked a question on behalf of all humanity. This is a very human question too that I think every human asks at one point or another. Also mind you Jesus then said "It is done." Thus signifying He had fulfilled His purpose and laid the contract before humanity which God signed in blood.

Now what people often forget is the Father's answer to the Son's question. That answer is the Resurrection. That answer is that God did not forsake humanity. That answer is that God is Salvation and God is With Us. Thus it is that question and that answer is God's eternal promise of Salvation to all those who believe in His only begotten Son.

So that is my proof that God is Jesus is the Holy Spirit. I am very curious what you all think too or what made you all believe Jesus is God. Let's have an exercise in how we all know Jesus is God without any supernatural miracles required.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

I think Simiel is correct in what he is teaching us about Jesus, I think he just has a hard time explaining it. Let me try to explain it (and forgive me if I am misinterpretting you Simiel and feel free to correct me where I am wrong.)

Okay now let's all look that we all agree Jesus is the Son of God, he had the Holy Spirit of God, etc. We all agree on this and this is good starting point. So let's build off of what we all agree upon that we all might then come to better understanding.

This is a good start, and it 's good to try and see where we all agree......

Now Simiel's main claim I think that disturbs you all (and I admit it even made me wonder) is that we can do things like Jesus did like for instance healing people. Now see here is the thing, Jesus Himself said we can heal people and do all those wonders. That is not unbiblical and I don't think anyone argues against this.

No, what my main objection to (and I assume others as well) is the claim that Jesus came here as just a human, and not as God. The claim that Jesus left His deity behind....that is where the problem begins. It denies that Jesus was God while He was on earth.

Building on that, my objection then comes to when people claim that our main purpose is for us to do miracles, signs, and wonders, including copying all of the miracles that Jesus did.

I have nothing against the biblical gift of healing, as I do think that God does supernaturally heal people still today, and that He does use people to accomplish this. However, I do not think that it is guaranteed that every person who is sick will get well.

My objection with it is with the overemphasis that is placed on it....when people emphasize the gifts and do not proclaim the real gospel.

I think what everyone's concern here is that if Simiel is healing people, is if he is doing it in the name of Jesus as Jesus said we should.

No -- that is not the main concern here. It has nothing to do with Simiel's claim to heal. It is his views about Jesus that are the concern. Besides, look at this passage:

Matthew 7:15-23 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will [SUP][k][/SUP]know them by their fruits. [SUP][l][/SUP]Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? [SUP]17 [/SUP]So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]So then, you will [SUP][m][/SUP]know them by their fruits.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [SUP][n][/SUP]miracles?’[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Performing signs and wonders in the name of Jesus doesn't guarantee that someone is doing so by the power of God, so it is not a good test to use to determine whether or not someone is doing things by the power of God.

But we are not debating by what power Simiel does miracles. We are debating his view on Jesus. He claimed that Jesus was just a man while on earth, and gave up His divine powers, and that Jesus did everything by the power of the Holy Spirit.

So anyone that claims to heal in the Name of Jesus is not nessecarily a liar and they should be considerred not cast aside immediately. (Not saying you shouldn't weigh them, look I weighed Simiel myself. Like Arwen has done a good point in pointing out is though healing powers is real, some people do in fact try to use them to teach another Gospel, which is of course bad.) But don't cast aside the people too fast now because if they really are healing people in the Name of Jesus in accordance to the Gospels then we should be thankful to Jesus for helping people even in our time today.

Again, that is not what we are debating in this thread. It isn't that Simiel believes that signs and wonders are for today, or that he practices them, or anything like that. The debate is about Simiel's view of Jesus, which is kenosis.

I think it really comes down to this reoccuring topic. Was Jesus God and how did He prove it? See all the miracles like turning water to wine, healing people, casting out demons, etc. are in fact not proof at all that Jesus was God because Jesus said we can all do the same (in His Name mind you.) And of course the Apostles and such who were trully human like all of us did the same, but we know none of them were the Messiah, but rather acting in His Name.

When we look at how Jesus used the miracles in His own ministry, these things do point to Him being the Messiah, and being God in the flesh. That isn't to say that we cannot be empowered by the Holy Spirit to do things.

But the main issue right now is Simiel's position that Jesus stopped being God when He came to earth.

Now Jesus was in fact human.

No one here has denied that Jesus was human. Our objection is to the only human part.

I think what Simiel means by Him leaving His deity behind in Heaven is moreso him trying to express that God didn't come down to earth in his grand awesome glory because if you refer back to Exodus 33 when Moses got to see God's back parts, God even tells Moses that if he had seen God's full glory that Moses would have perished. Thus Jesus was God in human form if I might coin such a term, because otherwise everyone that saw him would have perished immediately.

In order to understand what Simiel is saying, you need to understand a bit about NAR doctrine. Many (if not all) NAR teachers claim that Jesus came to earth as just a human, and that He was empowered by the Holy Spirit. They deny that Jesus had any divine powers while on earth so that Jesus would be no different from us.

If Jesus was just a man who was empowered by the Holy Spirit, then everything Jesus did is possible for us, too. After all, we're just humans who are empowered by the Holy Spirit. That is the point of their denying His deity while on earth.

Also remember God came to us as a human in Jesus because He had to save us all and the only way that is possible is if He came as a human to sacrifice Himself because obviously God the Father (or God's godly form) cannot die or be harmed in anyway possible.

Again, the debate here isn't that Jesus was human. It is that Jesus was just human. Yes, Jesus had to be 100% human. But that doesn't mean that He had to stop being 100% God.

Google "hypostatic union" -- that is the orthodox answer to Jesus being fully God and fully man.

So since we know Jesus was God in human form, and we know none of his supernatural miracles are proof that He is God, let's ask ourselves this question. How can we prove Jesus was God? How did Jesus prove that He was who He was?

Now hey this can be a kind of fun exercise in faith and understanding. Understand through his words and life story Jesus proved this to be true in literally hundreds of ways. So let's all have a little exercise in Bible Discussion and instead of fighting show our testimony of our belief in Jesus. I ask you all to give one proof that lead you to believe Jesus is God.

Okay, fine. We can do this....we can show that Jesus was God while on earth.

My personal favorite proof is one that is often the most misinterpretted.

When Jesus was on the cross Jesus asked a question. That question is "Father why have you forsaken me?"

Now a lot of people think Jesus sinned here, thus the misunderstanding, but they are incorrect because Jesus could not sin. Jesus merely asked a question to His Father. Furthermore Jesus asked a question on behalf of all humanity. This is a very human question too that I think every human asks at one point or another. Also mind you Jesus then said "It is done." Thus signifying He had fulfilled His purpose and laid the contract before humanity which God signed in blood.

Now what people often forget is the Father's answer to the Son's question. That answer is the Resurrection. That answer is that God did not forsake humanity. That answer is that God is Salvation and God is With Us. Thus it is that question and that answer is God's eternal promise of Salvation to all those who believe in His only begotten Son.

So that is my proof that God is Jesus is the Holy Spirit. I am very curious what you all think too or what made you all believe Jesus is God. Let's have an exercise in how we all know Jesus is God without any supernatural miracles required.

The Father is not Jesus.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is not the Father.
Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is not the Father.
The Holy Spirit is not Jesus.

However, there is only one God.
The Father is God.
Jesus is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.

The one God is triune.

I'll post Scripture later. I need to go right now.

 

[Arwen4CJ]

Evidence that Jesus was God while on earth, and evidence that Jesus is not the Father

John 1:1-23 (NASB)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP][SUP][a][/SUP]He was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. [SUP]4 [/SUP]In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [SUP][b][/SUP]comprehend it.


[SUP]6 [/SUP]There [SUP][c][/SUP]came a man sent from God, whose name was John. [SUP]7 [/SUP][SUP][d][/SUP]He came [SUP][e][/SUP]as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. [SUP]8 [/SUP][SUP][f][/SUP]He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There was the true Light [SUP][g][/SUP]which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. [SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He came to His [SUP][h][/SUP]own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, [SUP]13 [/SUP]who were [SUP][i][/SUP]born, not of [SUP][j][/SUP]blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.


[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word became flesh, and [SUP][k][/SUP]dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of [SUP][l][/SUP]the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me [SUP][m][/SUP]has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” [SUP]16 [/SUP]For of His fullness [SUP][n][/SUP]we have all received, and [SUP][o][/SUP]grace upon grace. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth [SUP][p][/SUP]were realized through Jesus Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.


[SUP]19 [/SUP]This is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” [SUP]20 [/SUP]And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not [SUP][q][/SUP]the Christ.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]They asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” And he *said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then they said to him, “Who are you, so that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” [SUP]23 [/SUP]He said, “I am a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as Isaiah the prophet said.”


Why I believe that this passage shows that Jesus is God while on earth, but that Jesus is not the Father:
First, it says "in the beginning." Although I do not know Greek, I've heard that this is the same phrase that begins Genesis in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT). So this shows that the Word is eternal.

Secondly, it says the Word was with God, and that the Word was God. We know from reading other Bible passages that there is only one God. That means that we have at least two Persons who are God.

Verse 14 says that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.....so that means that God became human and lived with us. It doesn't say that the Word stopped being God, or that the Word gave up His deity there, or that He laid down His divine powers.

It calls Jesus God in verse 18. "The only begotten God."

In verse 23 we have John the Baptist referring to a passage from Isaiah....so let me go quote that:

Isaiah 40:3-8 (NASB)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]A voice [SUP][d][/SUP]is calling,
“Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness;Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
[SUP]5 [/SUP][SUP][e][/SUP]Then the glory of the LORD will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]A voice says, “Call out.”
Then [SUP][f][/SUP]he answered, “What shall I call out?”
All flesh is grass, and all its [SUP][g][/SUP]loveliness is like the flower of the field.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The grass withers, the flower fades,
[SUP][h][/SUP]When the breath of the LORD blows upon it;
Surely the people are grass.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.




Whenever we see LORD in all caps like that in the OT, it means YHWH or Yahweh. So, for John the Baptist to quote from that part of Isaiah, and refer to it, he was calling Jesus YHWH, or God. This shows that even when Jesus was human, He was God. He didn't give up His deity.

There are other passages, but that one is what I will quote for now.

 

[Nautilus]

The claim some people have that they live sinfree lives makes me think they are 1)Prideful to levels I can barely imagine ad 2) delusional to levels of near the same height.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

The claim some people have that they live sinfree lives makes me think they are 1)Prideful to levels I can barely imagine ad 2) delusional to levels of near the same height.

I could agree to this to a certain point. I am not saying I am sin free by the way, don't get me wrong on that. We are all born into Sin because of the Garden of Eden event. However, I would say, if not for myself, then at least for others, that it is at least possible to overcome sin through the teachings of Jesus. Which from my understanding (remember I have admitted I still have more to learn) is what Jesus was trying to teach us.

Idk, maybe I am looking at it wrong, but my understanding of sin is that it is the absence of God, the transgression of God's will. Since God is the Path to Life would it be accurate to say Sin is the Path to Death? So it's like when we sin we move further away from God, but when we repent we move closer to Him. So ya it is hard, I understand it is hard for all of us because of the nature of the current World. However, I think it is at least possible to overcome sin and death. But the only way is really through Jesus. So if it is possible I don't think we should attack people that have overcome sin, lest we accidentally cause them to fall back into it. I don't want anyone that has overcome any type of sin to fall back into the trap that Jesus delivered them out of.

Again remember this is just my understanding so far, and I am still trying to understand more. We can all help eachother understand more by trying to help eachother understand Jesus more in my opinion.


EDIT: And to Arwen, really liked the John the Baptist reference which prove Jesus is God and John recognized it immediately. Very cool stuff!

 

[38miles]

This is the link to a thread started by Simiel 3 weeks ago titled: "Healing the sick". His very first post reads:

Anybody have any testimonies of them healing the sick. Like in Walmart or the mall or where ever?

Of course, nobody bit and despite 9 pages Walmart didn't show up in anyone's healing report.

Then 6 days ago he started a thread: "People Say I'm Crazy." in which he posted:

I saw a boy who worked at Walmart and he had a cast on his leg. I heard a voice that said go heal him.. Then another voice said you can't heal him.... Went to the boy anyway asked him what happen he said he chip the bone on the back of his foot pulling the stocking cart.. After that commanding healing In his foot and he start banging it against the floor and walking on it and said he feels no pain... Then I told him Jesus loves him and left

In the "Healing the Sick" thread, this little gem shows up as post #66:

Yes I myself have done it. When I touch God touch, we are co workers. When I move he moves. I am the body he is the head. You can do it also. We all can

Co-workers, eh? "When I move, he moves" -- so it's clear that this is Simiel's will, not God's. He says that he is the body and God is the head, yet indicates his body is moving God...and not the way we are to understand biblical sovereignty.

Finally, nothing like some self-promotion/proclamation from the thread "Im greater than Elijah"

Someone said who do you think you are? Are you greater than Elijah. I chuckled and said yes I am... We all are if you know who you are (wink wink)

I am appalled at myself for digging this up, but there is such a blatant disregard for what we've been taught by God, that I've given in. I started to do this yesterday..abandoned it...and felt compelled now with Simiel's shadow GiS following their script. We are to decrease so He can increase. Like the rest of us Simiel, "self" got you in a stranglehold brother. Straight up stranglehold.

Walk humble and preach the gospel. Don't walk around trying to get everybody to follow your own false message that you're perverting through the sinful nature you claim you no longer have.

 

[Simiel]

This is the link to a thread started by Simiel 3 weeks ago titled: "Healing the sick". His very first post reads:



Of course, nobody bit and despite 9 pages Walmart didn't show up in anyone's healing report.

Then 6 days ago he started a thread: "People Say I'm Crazy." in which he posted:




In the "Healing the Sick" thread, this little gem shows up as post #66:



Co-workers, eh? "When I move, he moves" -- so it's clear that this is Simiel's will, not God's. He says that he is the body and God is the head, yet indicates his body is moving God...and not the way we are to understand biblical sovereignty.

Finally, nothing like some self-promotion/proclamation from the thread "Im greater than Elijah"



I am appalled at myself for digging this up, but there is such a blatant disregard for what we've been taught by God, that I've given in. I started to do this yesterday..abandoned it...and felt compelled now with Simiel's shadow GiS following their script. We are to decrease so He can increase. Like the rest of us Simiel, "self" got you in a stranglehold brother. Straight up stranglehold.

Walk humble and preach the gospel. Don't walk around trying to get everybody to follow your own false message that you're perverting through the sinful nature you claim you no longer have.

11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Don't follow me follow Jesus

 

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11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Don't follow me follow Jesus

the smiley face even shows it. Like when you post a smug remark and type: "you're awesome" or "lol". You "heal"; I "discern". It's funny...you'd think Walmart would have put you on the door, give them an edge on Target.

A year ago you started a thread about healing, claiming you healed your wife's back. How much healing have you done in 18 months? Probably quite a substantial amount, eh?

Oh GodisSalvation...

and I've brought the truth to you before on other threads. You will reckon with God if you do not reckon with the mirror.

 

[Simiel]

the smiley face even shows it. Like when you post a smug remark and type: "you're awesome" or "lol". You "heal"; I "discern". It's funny...you'd think Walmart would have put you on the door, give them an edge on Target.

A year ago you started a thread about healing, claiming you healed your wife's back. How much healing have you done in 18 months? Probably quite a substantial amount, eh?

Oh GodisSalvation...

and I've brought the truth to you before on other threads. You will reckon with God if you do not reckon with the mirror.

Ive done 0 healings jesus did them all and yes it's been quite a few ... Reason why you cant talk me out for what I know.

You don't like my smiley face, it there a reason not to smile? I like telling people there awesome. I rather encourage than be little someone.

 

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Ive done 0 healings jesus did them all and yes it's been quite a few ... Reason why you cant talk me out for what I know.

You don't like my smiley face, it there a reason not to smile? I like telling people there awesome. I rather encourage than be little someone.

You know what. There's a whole forum section titled Prayer Requests. Given your co-worker ship with God, I'd imagine there are a multitude of people who could benefit from your view that we all have such healing power--we'll more than that--that you have Jesus' healing power at "your" disposal. Which has been your message here, sir. The one thing that we have, that we know, is that ALL things are recorded in time by God. Like a cassette tape he views it all from beginning to end. In a way the same exists for you on CC.com, as it does for us all. Some random boy at Walmart is more worthy of the faithful petitioning the God you serve through your co-worker ship. Do you venture to the prayer forum much to serve the body of Christ with your head, heart, and hands?

My attitude is poor here and I admit that. Operating out of self is a daily battle for me, and if I was more mature I wouldn't let your absolute disregard for the truth bother me. And so I cast myself as a sinner here. I know you don't...you do no wrong in the eyes of God because He sees Jesus. And you're more powerful than one of the most fervent prayer warrior prophets of old, Elijah. Remember, I'm not calling you a sinner here, I'm calling myself one. That is key.