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[SUP]14[/SUP] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15[/SUP] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16[/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17[/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).
Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way because they were contrary to us because they never could provide spiritual salvation but only kept them right with God until Christ came.
Therefore no person can judge another person concerning those things in the above passages for we do not have to observe those physical ordinances.
When you receive the Spirit you are part of the body of Christ and those physical ordinances were only a shadow of things to come which Jesus took out of the way so you do not observe those physical ordinances.
[SUP]15[/SUP] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16[/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17[/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).
Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way because they were contrary to us because they never could provide spiritual salvation but only kept them right with God until Christ came.
Therefore no person can judge another person concerning those things in the above passages for we do not have to observe those physical ordinances.
When you receive the Spirit you are part of the body of Christ and those physical ordinances were only a shadow of things to come which Jesus took out of the way so you do not observe those physical ordinances.
There is more than 2 commandments that Christ gave.
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
While the one reading the scroll (we call it OT), they literally sat is a seat called "Moses' seat". While sitting in Moses' seat, no commentary was allowed, only the literal reading of the Torah and Tanakh.
So, if you understand what Jesus just commanded, you would understand at this very moment He commanded them and us TO DO ALL THAT IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
While the one reading the scroll (we call it OT), they literally sat is a seat called "Moses' seat". While sitting in Moses' seat, no commentary was allowed, only the literal reading of the Torah and Tanakh.
So, if you understand what Jesus just commanded, you would understand at this very moment He commanded them and us TO DO ALL THAT IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
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but not the circumcising part. or the sacrificing part.
or what about the stoning part?
or the mixed fibers? of the specifications for dealing with mold?
Where do you people draw the division?!
You can't just say the whole Law is commanded without setting what you are describing.
or what about the stoning part?
or the mixed fibers? of the specifications for dealing with mold?
Where do you people draw the division?!
You can't just say the whole Law is commanded without setting what you are describing.
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The Holy Spirit guides us in all truths. So, just like Yeshua practiced perfectly all that He could of the Commandments, remember there was no Ark of the Covenant and Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies. It was empty. So not all of the sacrificial ceremony could be done as prescribed in the Torah. Yeshua's example to do what can be applied is the spiritual leading we should walk in.
Don't get all hung up on thinking that the Torah is out-dated and done away with. The Word says the New Covenant is to be written on our hearts, right? We don't have to pick the Torah apart, even though obviously that is what flesh wants to do. Just read it. If the Holy Spirit is leading you to DO something, then obey. That is the voice of the Good Shepherd. Yes?
Don't get all hung up on thinking that the Torah is out-dated and done away with. The Word says the New Covenant is to be written on our hearts, right? We don't have to pick the Torah apart, even though obviously that is what flesh wants to do. Just read it. If the Holy Spirit is leading you to DO something, then obey. That is the voice of the Good Shepherd. Yes?
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Wrong John. The sermon on the mount was in Matt 5 where Jesus gives the beatitudes was given to the multitudes. Sure there are parts where Jesus is speaking to His disciples, but those conversations are listed in a book read by billions of Christians. So they are for us today as well. For example, in Matt 5 Jesus says you are the salt of the world. Clearly this applies to all Christians. Your argument doesn't hold water.
I don't have to say anything about it. How about if you explain this...
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
Explain to me how we can still see the sky and stamp our feet on the earth and the Law is done away?
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
Explain to me how we can still see the sky and stamp our feet on the earth and the Law is done away?
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I could obey perfectly all of the commandments from my youth up, be blameless as touching the righteousness of the law and by doing so I would never be qualified or enabled in any way to inherit eternal life or have the righteousness of God imputed to me that comes by the hearing of faith. I could obey every jot and tittle of the law and it would fall way short of being able to save my soul or give me the righteousness of God that I need as a sinner to be acceptable to God. Every breath I take and move I make could be adjusted to the deeds of the law but I would never see the glory of the living God and I would never have spent a single moment in the holiness of God and He would never be able to confess that He ever knew me.
I challenge anyone on this site that puts such a premium on keeping the law and the commandments to prove me wrong. Do I have a challenger? JaumeJ, if you want to respond to this fine, but say it plainly with no weird talking points or emphasis, just deal with the challenge and keep it biblical and put some references in your response for a change leaving your anger on the doorstep.
I challenge anyone on this site that puts such a premium on keeping the law and the commandments to prove me wrong. Do I have a challenger? JaumeJ, if you want to respond to this fine, but say it plainly with no weird talking points or emphasis, just deal with the challenge and keep it biblical and put some references in your response for a change leaving your anger on the doorstep.
Did you not read verse 1 of Chapter 5?
Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him.
He left the multitudes and His DISCIPLES came to Him. What happened then?
Mat 5:2 Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:
Who is the antecedant of them? His disciples.
Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him.
He left the multitudes and His DISCIPLES came to Him. What happened then?
Mat 5:2 Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:
Who is the antecedant of them? His disciples.
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Amen. The law, even the very law of Christ, saves no one. If I obey all laws but break one, even decades ago, I am sinful and disqualified from heaven forever if it were not for grace. So Grace is far ore important to me than the law, because the law only condemns but grace saves me. The law ca not save a any one of the billions who has been on the earth.
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Hummmm... then what shall we call them? Sadly I have had a couple friends sever fellowship with me because of this issue with the Jewish Roots .... may I call it a "movement". A blending of the Old and New Testaments to fit their purpose.
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Hummmm... then what shall we call them? Sadly I have had a couple friends sever fellowship with me because of this issue with the Jewish Roots .... may I call it a "movement". A blending of the Old and New Testaments to fit their purpose.
Here comes the crunch to what the difference is between the old and the new. As we read the following, in context the italicized, underlined word covenant has been added to the text and isNOT in the original writing of Hebrews. It is referring to the temple.
Hebrews 8:5 (KJV)
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
(See Exodus chapters 25 through 31, these are the tablets of stone, the ten words, or the ten things representing testimony; Law and responsibility of the priests in the temple, the ten commandments as we know them were given to Moses 10 days previous to the stone tablets given on Mount Sinai. See Exodus chapters 20 through 23)
Hebrews 8:6-7 (KJV)
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, (1242) which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant (referring to the man made temple) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 (KJV)
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, (referring to the man made temple) he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 9:1-4 (KJV)
1 Then verily the first covenant (referring to the man made temple) had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant (1242) overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; (1242)
The only difference between the old and the new is that we are now the temple which have the same ordinances as the old, but in the Spirit rather than the physical.
Hebrews 8:7
7 For if that first temple had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 (KJV)
13 In that he saith, A new temple he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 9:1-4 (KJV)
1 Then verily the first temple had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
There was and is only one “covenant” that was ordained from the beginning. The “NEW” is within us, instead of us being inside the “OLD.” The "OLD" is being under it, the "NEW" is inward, yet the same in "allegory," and similarity.
1 Peter 2:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
There is ONE Covenant for all mankind, both old and new. The only difference is the location of the temple. For a complete understanding start reading at post #149, and compare this with scripture.
"And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue werefixed on him. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:17-21.
Another passage which shows that Jesus himself says he fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies and purposes.
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue werefixed on him. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:17-21.
Another passage which shows that Jesus himself says he fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies and purposes.
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There are two covenants, the old covenant and the new covenant. The old covenant is in the past tense, the new covenant is for today.
From: What’s the Difference Between the Old Covenant & New Covenant in the Bible? | The Overflow
From: What’s the Difference Between the Old Covenant & New Covenant in the Bible? | The Overflow
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Loose the game? Yes, this will happen:
Zechariah 8:23Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
- Matthew 25:11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
- Luke 6:46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
- Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
- Matthew 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
- Luke 13:25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Zechariah 8:23Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.