Day 1: Don't do drugs kids, stay out of the medicine cabinet

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just_monicat

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cyphercat:

CR Groups

this is the link to celebrate recovery's group locator. as i stated yesterday, i cannot more strongly encourage you use that group locator for your area and call up the contact person or church number for a group in your area. depending upon where you're at, you might be able to find a meeting today. i live in a medium to small city and we must have four or five CR groups, and they all meet on different days. i have had a lot of experience with this wonderful christian recovery program through friends and they are very vocal supporters who have nothing but wonderful things to say.

many of these meetings provide childcare.

i believe that you want to help somebody, and i know that you can do that. there are people who will meet you and be encouraged by your story and experiences! you have an opportunity to share your testimony with others who will be seeking exactly what you have to offer.

Put yourself in the hands of people who have walked this before and can support you in the ways that you need. Celebrate recovery utilizes many aspects of the NA/AA program, but everything is biblically driven. i'm sure it's scary to make a phone call, but you and your daughter deserve all the support and resources that you can get.

Please look up online your local CR groups and call somebody associated with a group. if you need any help finding local resources for CR, send me a message and i will help you locate it.

i'm proud of the decision you've made to change your life for the better.
 
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Fenner

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Why are you concerned with my child?
How many children are you currently concerned with?
Am I the first person you've encountered whose child you are concerned for?
How much time does that concern take up in your mind in terms of worry for my child and thinking about real world scenarios where she might be involved?
What has that gotten you?
Where is my coffee?
Do you like coffee? I like Earl Gray tea.

I just noticed these questions. I am concerned because you say you down two bottles of cough syrup a day and your mind isn't right. 6 hours sober, good start but not enough to totally get it out of your system. You have a long way to go. As I said I can tell you love your daughter, and no you are not the 1st person who's child I've ever been concerned for. I have a family history and I can tell you I took care of that child.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about you, I pray for you and your child. I worry that you not being sober and doing this alone is a lot to take on and yes children require a lot of care from a responsible adult.

My real world scenario was within my family. I kept that child safe, I would do it again in a heart beat. He's a grown up now and he's good.

Sorry now I'm really out.
 
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blueorchidjd

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Just so you know Cyphercat, the Lord is using you right now in this dark place. I'm learning a lot from your addiction.
 
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blueorchidjd

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In all seriousness though, you should call for outside help. A Christian counselor.
 
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In all seriousness though, you should call for outside help. A Christian counselor.
This is sort of blanket response to everyone directing me to counseling.
If you are really concerned, and out of that real emotion you are offering me that advice, it's noted.
But you've heard it before: "I know what they're going to say."

Bear with me for a second. Just a second.
Okay, I get in touch with a counselor.
What will be the result of that?
I'm already of the mind to not harm myself in any way.
I'm already of the mind to do my duties to my daughter and my family.
I'm already of the mind to not relapse.

I need: My house, my clothes, food, and a bed to lie in.
Here's my preview of the next six months.
Wake up. Eat cereal. Pray. If my daughter is at the house, do what she asks me. Do what my parents ask me.
Lay down in bed. Don't think. My head floods with thoughts words, ideas, music, laughter, sorrow, blessing, curses, hopes, dreams, stories, movies, sitcoms, video games, books, television.
I don't need to think. My brain floods constantly without doing anything.
I just need to do what I'm asked to do, and lay down and wait.
When I can smile without forcing myself, that's when this will all be over and I'll be ready to be with people again.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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This is sort of blanket response to everyone directing me to counseling.
If you are really concerned, and out of that real emotion you are offering me that advice, it's noted.
But you've heard it before: "I know what they're going to say."

Bear with me for a second. Just a second.
Okay, I get in touch with a counselor.
What will be the result of that?
I'm already of the mind to not harm myself in any way.
I'm already of the mind to do my duties to my daughter and my family.
I'm already of the mind to not relapse.

I need: My house, my clothes, food, and a bed to lie in.
Here's my preview of the next six months.
Wake up. Eat cereal. Pray. If my daughter is at the house, do what she asks me. Do what my parents ask me.
Lay down in bed. Don't think. My head floods with thoughts words, ideas, music, laughter, sorrow, blessing, curses, hopes, dreams, stories, movies, sitcoms, video games, books, television.
I don't need to think. My brain floods constantly without doing anything.
I just need to do what I'm asked to do, and lay down and wait.
When I can smile without forcing myself, that's when this will all be over and I'll be ready to be with people again.
So many excuses for not getting help......
 
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zaoman32

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The fact that you come here and vent, are accepting when people say they'll pray for you, but you reject and get defensive of everything resembling good advice is saying a lot

You're also beginning to reek of troll.
 
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Richie_2uk

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Hmmmm telling kids to not to do something? Good luck! lol you tell a kid not to do something, what are they going to do?
 
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The fact that you come here and vent, are accepting when people say they'll pray for you, but you reject and get defensive of everything resembling good advice is saying a lot

You're also beginning to reek of troll.
To be clear, there have been a few suggestions that I attend counseling.
IANAT

i am not a troll
 
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zaoman32

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To be clear, there have been a few suggestions that I attend counseling.
IANAT

i am not a troll
There have been suggestions that you find a much better therapy then venting whatever it is you want on a forum thread. Why? because it's going to be a lot better for you. Now, your responses are simple, you're becoming intolerant of people's advice, attacking those trying to give you outside perspective, and ridiculing there advice...classic troll behavior. Try again somewhere else.
 

Oncefallen

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Personally I tell people dealing with addictions to stay away from 12 step programs and seek professional help (preferably a group setting). Unfortunately most people that I've known that have been part of 12 step programs may quit the first addiction, but replace it with another (usually more socially acceptable) addiction. By far most addictions have their roots in trying to drown out emotional pain from deeply rooted issues that a 12 step program rarely addresses.

Just from what I've read in your first couple of posts it is quit obvious that your addiction is deeply rooted in "self medicating" to ease emotional pain. Until those issues are dealt with and resolved your chances of success are greatly reduced and the likelihood of being able to be the father that God intends you to be is slim. Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt of your love for your daughter, nor do I doubt the love of both of my parents who (years after the fact) have admitted that they were severely lacking in their parenting skills due to their issues.

You are approaching parenthood while seriously lacking the tools you need to raise an emotionally healthy child that will grow into an emotionally healthy adult. I have dealt with my own addiction issues in my life that were rooted in emotional issues that were passed on to me by emotionally impaired parents, and I can tell you that the likelihood of you raising a emotionally healthy child while you yourself are emotionally impaired falls right between slim and none.

Unfortunately your constant deflection of people recommending that you get help tells me that you are not yet serious about kicking your addiction. You are giving it lip service so that you can feel good about yourself (at least until you fall on your face), because in my experience someone who is serious about kicking an addiction (someone who has hit rock bottom) will do ANYTHING that it takes to kick the habit, not just what is convenient.

Kicking an addiction takes serious accountability and that only comes from real people in real life, not a bunch of strangers on an internet forum. In true accountability the person you are accountable to has the ability to confirm that you are being honest with them, and the ability to enact consequences when you are not.

**realizes this is the longest post I've typed in months

 
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38miles

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Cypher - so man...I've been praying for you. And when I messaged ya to ask for anything specific you said things like exercise more, eat right...but nothing about some crazy mad cough syrup fixes. And then last night, after I prayed for you, I sent another PM because I read a thread rant about you going to hell or something.

Your posts are well-written and coherent. Yet your video thing you definitely seemed very delayed in your speech and body language and as I watched I was scared for you. But yeah...now it's all a little suspect.
 

just_monicat

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This is sort of blanket response to everyone directing me to counseling.
If you are really concerned, and out of that real emotion you are offering me that advice, it's noted.
But you've heard it before: "I know what they're going to say."
Bear with me for a second. Just a second.
Okay, I get in touch with a counselor.
What will be the result of that?
I'm already of the mind to not harm myself in any way.
I'm already of the mind to do my duties to my daughter and my family.
I'm already of the mind to not relapse...
Lay down in bed. Don't think. My head floods with thoughts words, ideas, music, laughter, sorrow, blessing, curses, hopes, dreams, stories, movies, sitcoms, video games, books, television.
I don't need to think. My brain floods constantly without doing anything.
I just need to do what I'm asked to do, and lay down and wait.
When I can smile without forcing myself, that's when this will all be over and I'll be ready to be with people again.
what you're proposing as your solution for recovery is not a plan. you're using the same logic that led you to where you are. you're attempting to solve an addiction problem with "addict thinking".

i appreciate you're "of the mind" to not relapse or take a wrong turn. but right now, your logic is flawed and you are deceiving yourself if you believe you have superhuman powers simply because you're of the mind to want it. you are a stagnant pond right now, and nothing fresh and new is flowing in because you've withdrawn and are doing something that is powerfully altering your mind more than you can realize. there is a reason why you are self-medicating, and that void will not go away simply because you stop using this drug. you desperately need to be in the company of people who can help you, especially those who have their own experience to share with you and reflect upon.

in fact, that void will serve as a vacuum, desperately trying to pull other things into it, potentially trading one habit for another. rather than picking up a new habit (or the old one) you need to have the opportunity to heal from the issues that cause you to seek this mechanism. others have mentioned going to a counselor, and i don't think that's a bad idea. but you must, MUST get some help in a setting where you have support, encouragement, and access to the resources that you need. your addiction is too serious and the road ahead is such that you will need help.

i'm also afraid that you've highly undervalued to the seriousness of what you've been abusing.

here's a bit of reality for you:


DMX dramatically affects the brain. it's processed by the same uptake receptors that pcp and ketamine utilize, and depending upon how long and severely you abused it, the effects of it will not go away overnight. depending upon much and how long you've been abusing it:
"..[DMX] can effectively slow, or even shut down certain neural pathways, preventing areas of the brain from communicating with each other. This leaves the user feeling dissociated or disconnected, experienced as brain fog or derealization."


additionally, this drug likely interferes with normal brain chemistry. by producing dopamine in the brain, (similar to an opiate) it causes that euphoria you mentioned. the problem is that your brain has become accustomed to getting this dopamine boost, and it's likely to expect that your brain has (temporarily) altered its own manufacture of it. you may have more depression while waiting for this transition to happen.
also, there is a host of mild to very serious symptoms that accompany withdrawal from DMX:


A formal survey of dextromethorphan users showed that more than half of users reported experience of the following withdrawal-symptoms individually for the first week after long-term/addictive dextromethorphan use: fatigue, apathy, flashbacks, and constipation.

Over a quarter reported insomnia, nightmares, anhedonia, impaired memory, attention deficit and decreased libido.

Rarer side effects included panic attacks, impaired learning, tremor, jaundice, urticaria (hives) and myalgia (muscle pain) Frequent and long-term usage at very high doses could possibly lead to toxic psychosis and other permanent psychological problems.
Erectile dysfunction and diminished libido can be a longer-term effect (years to decades).


cyphercat, the reason i'm sharing all this with you is because i want you to see how serious this problem is and that not only must you quit, but you must seek help and support, such as through celebrate recovery or NA at a minimum.

also, you have said more than once that you want to help others (via this thread). i appreciate your desire to do that. the truth is, the best way that you can help others is by sharing your testimony and experiences and being available to listen and support others.
you said "When I can smile without forcing myself, that's when this will all be over and I'll be ready to be with people again." this is foolish pride. you've got this backwards. you need to get help and shine a light to this addiction. when you expose it to the light, it can be dealt with and you will start to feel better about yourself. you will have resources and support. you need to not just treat the symptom of your addiction (taking DMX) but deal with the root cause of your addiction.

finally, if you won't take these essential steps to sobriety for yourself, then i plead with you to do this for your daughter. this addiction is a very serious one with very real risk to long term or permanent damage and symptoms that are not subtle. you are deceiving yourself if you think that you aren't impacted as a parent/caregiver, because the effects of DMX are altering you more than you realize. and once you've stopped using DMX then you're going to be dealing with the effects of withdrawal, along with lingering effects that will take time for you to heal from. you must have support and access to the information and resources that you need to help to deal with this.

as a parent, you no longer have the luxury of taking your time and not addressing this with the utmost importance that it requires. you're got to step up and get help for this because you have a daughter that needs you to be your best. at a bare minimum, please contact churches and find a celebrate recovery group or NA meeting place tomorrow. as difficult as it might be to share this with others, it will get much easier.

i am deeply concerned about you and your daughter in this situation. this is my final attempt to convince you that you cannot just "make your mind up" and all this goes away. you are in my prayers and i hope you choose to face this instead of hiding from it.
 
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Here's what's going to happen.
You're going to read, you're not going to respond for any reason.
You're going to see what I have to say to you in particular.
This is for everyone.
With personally directed comments hidden. As a sort of game for you to figure out who I'm talking about.
I'll make it easy for you.

I read your words. And they worked on me. Some of it made me sorrowful. Some of it made me thankful. Some of it made me laugh. I was going to leave it. I could leave and God would be God. I'm not required to respond.
As a man, I chose to respond anyway. To teach you a few things. I intend good lessons. Every word has been meticulously selected, like a note in one of my songs, to bring you to a place where you learn a lesson.

You might stop reading. Are my words a waste? I do this for me and you. What do I gain by responding? I had fun. I enjoyed my morning. I made an attempt at doing good. Not bad for an hours work and several hundred words. I expect the usual return for my investment.

Here's what you were thinking when you read my post:
"Oh, it's that drug addict. He says he's hurting. He deserves it! How dare he come into my house, and use the resources and technology graciously provided by the site owners to post something that would grab my attention and involve my feelings! How dare he be allowed to say that he's hurting! How can he type those words? He's probably having unprotected sex with multiple partners! I don't get to do that! It's unfair! He needs to be in a place where I don't have to hear this drug addict fornicator talk about how he's hurting! I've never taken drugs! I've never had intense spiritual or hallucinatory experiences! And my Friday nights are dull and boring! He's probably raising an ungodly ruckus while he's having unprotected sex with multiple partners! This is a severe injustice! No one should be having that much fun! I must do something about this!
But I need to be concerned. For his health. How can I keep these words out of this site and still satisfy my requirement that I accomplish that in a manner that shows concern? What do they do with drug addicts? I can't send him to jail, he's done nothing worthy of being put in jail. I can hope that he'll stop having so much fun. But I can't say that, otherwise my jealousy will be exposed. How am I going to bring him down to my level, and believe that I did it for the sake of his health? Of course! Counseling!
It will require a significant investment of time on his part, but he's taken my time from me by making me read his words! It will require him to adjust his behavior to meet the requirements of the social setting he's in, but I had to adjust my behavior to appear concerned for his health. It will require access to a car, and the gas required to get to and from the counseling sessions, but that will only be for a few times a month, and he should stop doing drugs. He'll be able to easily afford the wear and tear on his car, and the gas for the sessions, and any miscellaneous expenses in case he wants to drink a Red Bull or something, with the money he'll save by not doing drugs.
Counseling will remove his words from this site, and will help him.
But I'm still not satisfied. I really don't like this person, and how much fun I think he's having. There must be something else.
He has a daughter! That's perfect! Now I have a real reason to address him! He's endangering the safety and health of the girl he's been trusted to watch over and lead, and care for! I'll care about her!"

Message delivered.
And then some of you politely suggested that I attend counseling. In the same tone, I responded that I did not wish to.
And some of you, in a tone I perceived to be indignant, were displeased by that response.
You're asking me to deny the drug I loved. That's difficult enough. But you're also asking me to make significant investments in emotion, time, attitude, behavior. You're asking me to make big changes to myself for the sake of accomplishing what you think will solve the problem. I do not think it will solve the problem. The solution is to not do the drug.
You just don't do it. And I am in pain. I will endure that. And I do vent here.

My posts satisfy all requirements of what is acceptable to post in the young adults forum. And if you don't like them, don't read them.

And on top of it all, I got what I wanted. I can't believe it, but I was granted everything I desired as a result of posting what I posted. And that's just an afterthought to posting for the sake of other people. Praise the Lord.

But I'm a troll? Boy, you want to come at me in the flesh, with your twigs, and decrepit sticks, and label me as "ridiculing", and "attacking"? You want to come at me with those words, and challenge me? You don't know who I am, or who you're dealing with. I'm the lizard king! That's a joke. And there's this girl that I did like (before I took those feelings I had developed for her and took them out back and mercifully shot them in the head) before I realized that my delusional thinking on DXM lead me to believe I could ever be with a girl that snarky and interesting, and, well, kind of, I won't say. So I drop "The Office" references from time to time to make her laugh. But I think she's among the other mockers so I really don't care to anymore. No regrets.
You're overreacting, and using damaging words to label me. Do you realize what you said to me, or how it might affect me? Do you realize what that would do to my reputation if I didn't answer those accusations? I have pride, like a young man does. I've taught my daughter that I will defend and protect her. She might see this post one day! I'm not going to let her think her daddy is a spineless pushover, and will defend himself if attacked. You want to come at me in the flesh? I'll respond in the flesh. I wish we were face to face, so I could see just what kind of words you would really choose. I'm not an intimidating, or dangerous person. You would have nothing to worry about. Unless I had to defend my honor. So if you're ever going to challenge me in public like that again, I recommend you think twice. I will end up humiliating you.

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter.
I am in pain. I use this forum to vent.
The most you can do is report me. I have said nothing derogatory to anyone, or behaved in a way that would merit any action on the part of the owners of the site. My thread is not outside of the boundaries of what can be posted on the board. You are free to stop reading the thread if you don't like me.
I am recovering, thanks for asking. Today is day two. The pain is decreasing. I weep, I get over it. I get stronger. I will not take DXM anymore. If I do, woe to me. But it won't send me to hell. And given that no one here particularly likes me, I'm not even concerned about how it might affect my reputation on CC.
Worry about my daughter all you want. But do you just hate me? Or do you really care about her?
Christ is Lord. He took me back in and gave me a second chance.
I am not going to counseling. And if I keep posting here, you may be surprised just what my estate is after 6 months of recovery. And when you read the words that I post then, you will remember this.
Don't pray for me. Christ has given me strength. The glory of young men is their strength. Christ be glorified. And I thank him for letting me restore my dignity, self-respect, and sense of manhood in defending myself.
 
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st_sebastian

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As far as I can tell, all this is going to accomplish is to tell young adults about a drug they might not know about yet.
 
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As far as I can tell, all this is going to accomplish is to tell young adults about a drug they might not know about yet.
And when we don't tell our children about porn, are we somehow at fault when they discover it for themselves?
 
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mellowED

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Hang in there Friend, Your day in the sun will come.
May the joy of the Lord be your strength.