The Truth About The Sabbath
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That's ridiculous accusation. I keep the Sabbath rest and assemble with other believers in our homes. None of us are a part of any denomination or cult. We love the Lord, are convicted that all Ten Commandments written by our LORD is what He desires of us. We read the Torah portions together and our fellowship is Holy Spirit leading. We have no desire to be a denomination and the Lord Jesus is our Leader through the moving of the Holy Spirit. After eating, praying, reading, someone may have a special word to teach, and then some sing and play instruments. It is beautiful and I look forward all week to that fellowship. Does your church or denomination give you that joy and hope for the coming next assembly? I hope we all have that.
You just said you are not in a denomination. I stated that no other denomination teaches this.
you are following a personal conviction, with a community of believers. Good for you.
I think it's great to take Saturdays off, but only if you then work on Sunday.
If you are taking both days off work, then you are just using doctrine as an excuse to be lazy.
I'm not condemning taking a Saturday Sabbath, or going to a Saturday fellowship instead of Sunday...
but...
it is not a sin to rest/worship on Sunday.
Too many posters have made their personal convictions into a global Church command.
^this is the doctrine of the COGM cult.
you are following a personal conviction, with a community of believers. Good for you.
I think it's great to take Saturdays off, but only if you then work on Sunday.
If you are taking both days off work, then you are just using doctrine as an excuse to be lazy.
I'm not condemning taking a Saturday Sabbath, or going to a Saturday fellowship instead of Sunday...
but...
it is not a sin to rest/worship on Sunday.
Too many posters have made their personal convictions into a global Church command.
^this is the doctrine of the COGM cult.
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Historicist, you are creating a fantasy complete with mythical data in your own mind. There is no evidence that the Sabbath was observed in NT times, no matter how bad you think it happened. There is no internal evidence in the bible that the Christians in Acts observed Sabbath, not even once. There is no NT command or affirmation of Sabbath observance, not even hinted at. You are simply rewriting history in your mind.
Internal evidence.
1) 1cor. 16:1-2 - 1Now concerning[SUP]a[/SUP] the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. 2On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.
2) Acts 20:7 - 7On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
External evidence.
External evidence shows the early Church gathered on Sunday just 35 years after the death of Christ, not 100 as you have fabricated.
Internal evidence.
1) 1cor. 16:1-2 - 1Now concerning[SUP]a[/SUP] the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. 2On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.
2) Acts 20:7 - 7On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
External evidence.
External evidence shows the early Church gathered on Sunday just 35 years after the death of Christ, not 100 as you have fabricated.
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according to Romans, a Christian would be sinning to tell another Christian which days to observe.
Why should we sin against our brethren by burdening them with our burdens and convictions?
If one takes Sunday, and another Saturday, are they not still children of the same Father, and in the same rest?
The same God of Saturday remains God on Sunday. Is Jesus Lord of the Sabbath only, or to be Lord of All Days?
Let's agree to not condemn one another for our observances.
I rejoice with those who celebrate a Saturday Sabbath, but I do rebuke those who preach it as a command for the Church.
Why should we sin against our brethren by burdening them with our burdens and convictions?
If one takes Sunday, and another Saturday, are they not still children of the same Father, and in the same rest?
The same God of Saturday remains God on Sunday. Is Jesus Lord of the Sabbath only, or to be Lord of All Days?
Let's agree to not condemn one another for our observances.
I rejoice with those who celebrate a Saturday Sabbath, but I do rebuke those who preach it as a command for the Church.
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Acts 10:13
Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
Matthew 12:2
When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
Matthew 12:2
When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
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Romans 14:5-6
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
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Most of what is used as arguments against that God said He blessed the seventh Day just do not hold water. Scripture tells us God did that, so that is what God did. Scripture also tells us what we are to do as a result of that blessing.
Someone said that the scripture we are given about our freedom to choose the day of the week means that it cancels the scripture that tells us of this blessings, but it is always error to say a scripture is not scripture, one cancels the other. Often we are told that something is improved on so there are additions, like blood, temple, etc. There is no scripture to tell us that Sabbath was improved on. Some say that because they decide bible tells us the exact time Christ rose, that is scripture saying God changed the day He blessed, but it was man that decided that not scripture.
Some say that they can criticize people who go by this scripture, so it proves that going by what God says is wrong. !!!!
The church hasn't questioned Sunday worship for almost 2,000 years, and some say that this new questioning of that is wrong because of the 2,000 years. It is true that ever since the gentiles took over the leadership of the church after only 100 years, their leadership led to friction between Jew and gentile. Both sides were part of this. Promoting Sunday worship was at the core of this, almost as much as the growth of not accepting Christ as Messiah by the Jews.
I think it would be wiser to look at the information lately turned up to see if it is fact or not. Lots of it came along with the information that very ancient copies of such as Isaiah are the same as our modern copies, for instance. It would be wiser to search for reasons God would have to withhold this information from us until now rather than a decision that the information is absolutely wrong because we didn't have it before.
Someone said that the scripture we are given about our freedom to choose the day of the week means that it cancels the scripture that tells us of this blessings, but it is always error to say a scripture is not scripture, one cancels the other. Often we are told that something is improved on so there are additions, like blood, temple, etc. There is no scripture to tell us that Sabbath was improved on. Some say that because they decide bible tells us the exact time Christ rose, that is scripture saying God changed the day He blessed, but it was man that decided that not scripture.
Some say that they can criticize people who go by this scripture, so it proves that going by what God says is wrong. !!!!
The church hasn't questioned Sunday worship for almost 2,000 years, and some say that this new questioning of that is wrong because of the 2,000 years. It is true that ever since the gentiles took over the leadership of the church after only 100 years, their leadership led to friction between Jew and gentile. Both sides were part of this. Promoting Sunday worship was at the core of this, almost as much as the growth of not accepting Christ as Messiah by the Jews.
I think it would be wiser to look at the information lately turned up to see if it is fact or not. Lots of it came along with the information that very ancient copies of such as Isaiah are the same as our modern copies, for instance. It would be wiser to search for reasons God would have to withhold this information from us until now rather than a decision that the information is absolutely wrong because we didn't have it before.
You have exposed your ignorance here...
"Below is a list of over 500 Sabbath keeping Churches of all different denominations."
Sabbath Keeping Churches - Sabbath Keeping Denominations
Not much credibility from one as ill informed as you.
"Below is a list of over 500 Sabbath keeping Churches of all different denominations."
Sabbath Keeping Churches - Sabbath Keeping Denominations
Not much credibility from one as ill informed as you.
OK, take a look at this...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81435-truth-about-sabbath-23.html#post1381493
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81435-truth-about-sabbath-23.html#post1381493
check the links on that site.
they are all part of the same church movement: COG and 7th Day Adventist. They are not different denominations, just different ministry associations.
That's like saying that Southern Baptist is a different denomination than Conservative Baptists! Different "convention", same denomination.
Also, you did not tell me which denomination you are in. 'Ignorance' is a strange word to use in this debate. I have called you a brother multiple times, and you insult me? now I feel as if i have been deceived into thinking we are truly brothers.
they are all part of the same church movement: COG and 7th Day Adventist. They are not different denominations, just different ministry associations.
That's like saying that Southern Baptist is a different denomination than Conservative Baptists! Different "convention", same denomination.
Also, you did not tell me which denomination you are in. 'Ignorance' is a strange word to use in this debate. I have called you a brother multiple times, and you insult me? now I feel as if i have been deceived into thinking we are truly brothers.
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