The Truth About The Sabbath

[WomanLovesTX]

Laodicea,

Both MKJV and the LITV are both from a single man, named Jay P. Green. Isn't that interesting. The man who translated the bible in his garage... The LITV is currently out of print. Do you really expect me to take those translations seriously?

The man has also declared all his "translations" to be 100% error free and accurate. I can't find a review of this mans bibles from other scholars. Yet no one is taking any of Jay Green's works seriously. As best as I can determine he translates from the byzantine family of manuscripts only.

Is there no bottom to how low you will sink to prove a point?

Interesting words. Can you provide me with link(s) in regard to what you stated? I'd like to read about all the translators, but the KJV really works best for me, because of the Strong's. I like CJB when I want to get the real Hebrew untranslated names of people and places. Anyway, thanks for sharing, look forward to your response. Shalom

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Thanks for that constructive response. It was just a question. The point is the temple as you say has been destroyed. The sacrifices can't be fulfilled anymore so how much more of the Mosaic Covenant needs to continue surely you realised why I asked the question.

Anyway, I apologise if it was offensive I also forgive you for your rather agressive response back. Let us just agree to disagree. Instead of getting abusive.

Thank you for you kindness. It was a good reminder not to be "assinine". I needed a good kick in the butt. Shalom

 

[DragonSlayer]

Another vacuous and vapid response...

Claim #1 "The Greek thing doesn't make sense if it leads to opposition to any Scripture, plain and simple !"
No, you are simply twisting what I am saying into something I never said or implied.

Claim #2 "After all, the Vatican also uses the Greek thing to tell brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Scriptures doesn't mean brothers and sisters but that would mean some " cousins " of Jesus."
No response from me...

Claim #3 "Don't you understand that Christ IS the Law ? And He cannot deny Himself ?"
Please show me the scripture that states Christ is the law.

Claim #4 "It's not " Mosaic laws ", for it didn't come from Moses, but the Lord told Himself the Eternal Law to Moses !"
Mosaic laws is the name given to the laws Moses handed to Israel. I have never stated or implied Moses was the author to the Mosaic laws.

Claim #5 "The Eternal Law represents the True Nature of Jesus ! How could Jesus deny Himself ?"
Please show me a scripture that states that.

Claim #6 "And so is the Sabbath in the New Jerusalem and on the New Earth !"
Jesus is our sabbath rest.

Well, the " No response from me " and the name calling of my answer say it all.

I didn't twist anything you say, but " the termination of the law " you said is clearly twisting of the Scriptures.
So obviously if I show you how you twisted the Scriptures, you would say no it's me the bad guy twisting what you said.
Eyes blinded to the truth would call anyone telling the truth a liar !

Yes, sir, Christ is the Law ! Didn't you know that Jesus is called the Word of God ?
It's written :
" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. "

Hebrews 4: 12-13

So basically when anyone rejects the Word of God, they reject Jesus Himself ! And this is what the ancient serpent did in the garden of Eden, and this is what Eve, and Adam did, they all rejected the Word of God in the Garden of Eden, and this is why they were all rejected from the Garden of Eden, and this is why we're in great sufferings for millenniums in this fallen world, in the valley of the shadow of the death !

So if you agree the Law didn't come from Moses, but the Law came from Jesus Himself,
why did you tell Christ would be " the termination of the law " ?
Jesus Himself clearly told to not believe He came to destroy the law, but He told to believe He came to fulfill it !
Don't you see to who profit the crime of that " termination of the law " thing ?
Is it not the wildest dream of the evil one to get rid of the law in any way possible ?
So that complete lawlessness could be fully justified even among many lost sheep inside the Church?

As for the Eternal Law representing the True Nature of Jesus, read above Hebrews 4:12-13.

Now your turn : you got to show me the Scriptures who says " Jesus is our sabbath rest. ",
and the sabbath would be " terminated ". This is like saying Jesus would approve your own disobedience to His Own Word !

The sabbath is not a day of slavery, but it's a day of rest, it's meant to be a day of great joy !
Just like it was at the seventh day of Creation !
( And I mean literal seventh day, billions years preached by evolutionism is extremely bad fairy tale ! )

It's written : " For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. "

Isaiah 66:22-23

The Sabbath is an Eternal commandment, it was written on the Altar of Lord's Heart infinitely long before it was written on these tablets of stone held by Moses. Written Before the Creation.

Jesus is the Lord ! Jesus is the Word ! Today, yesterday, and forever !

Maranatha !

 

[Shilo]

The Sabbath was never changed. If God changed the Sabbath he would have told us but he did say I am God and do not change.

 

[4enlightment]

Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:3
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

 

[danschance]

The Sabbath was never changed. If God changed the Sabbath he would have told us but he did say I am God and do not change.

Normally, I would say you are are lying, but in this cause, the cause of your belief in Jewish law is probably a bit deeper. Here is a verse from the Greek scriptures that blows your ideas out of the water:

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5

 

[danschance]

Well, the " No response from me " and the name calling of my answer say it all.

I didn't twist anything you say, but " the termination of the law " you said is clearly twisting of the Scriptures.
So obviously if I show you how you twisted the Scriptures, you would say no it's me the bad guy twisting what you said.
Eyes blinded to the truth would call anyone telling the truth a liar !

Yes, sir, Christ is the Law ! Didn't you know that Jesus is called the Word of God ?
It's written :
" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. "

Hebrews 4: 12-13

So basically when anyone rejects the Word of God, they reject Jesus Himself ! And this is what the ancient serpent did in the garden of Eden, and this is what Eve, and Adam did, they all rejected the Word of God in the Garden of Eden, and this is why they were all rejected from the Garden of Eden, and this is why we're in great sufferings for millenniums in this fallen world, in the valley of the shadow of the death !

So if you agree the Law didn't come from Moses, but the Law came from Jesus Himself,
why did you tell Christ would be " the termination of the law " ?
Jesus Himself clearly told to not believe He came to destroy the law, but He told to believe He came to fulfill it !
Don't you see to who profit the crime of that " termination of the law " thing ?
Is it not the wildest dream of the evil one to get rid of the law in any way possible ?
So that complete lawlessness could be fully justified even among many lost sheep inside the Church?

As for the Eternal Law representing the True Nature of Jesus, read above Hebrews 4:12-13.

Now your turn : you got to show me the Scriptures who says " Jesus is our sabbath rest. ",
and the sabbath would be " terminated ". This is like saying Jesus would approve your own disobedience to His Own Word !

The sabbath is not a day of slavery, but it's a day of rest, it's meant to be a day of great joy !
Just like it was at the seventh day of Creation !
( And I mean literal seventh day, billions years preached by evolutionism is extremely bad fairy tale ! )

It's written : " For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. "

Isaiah 66:22-23

The Sabbath is an Eternal commandment, it was written on the Altar of Lord's Heart infinitely long before it was written on these tablets of stone held by Moses. Written Before the Creation.

Jesus is the Lord ! Jesus is the Word ! Today, yesterday, and forever !

Maranatha !

You are mistaken, again. I never called you a single name. I labeled your post as being vapid and vacuous and that is my perception of your post, for the reasons stated previously.

 

[Rockbysea]

Opposers of the Seventh Day Sabbath claim that although the Almighty Creator made the Sabbath for man, it had no real value to him, physically or spiritually. They claim that man could have gotten along without it just as well; and since that was the case, it came to an end at the cross. It seems strange indeed that the Almighty would say so much in favor of the observance of the Sabbath, even to meting out the death sentence to those who presumptously violated it if it had not intrinsic value whatever. It is not pleasant to show up such absurd inconsistencies, but at times it is necessary to show how very groundless are the claims of those who despise the Creators rest day. In the face of these facts how can it be intelligently and scripturally claim that this memorial is Jewish in origin or application? Actually the Almighty Creator rested on the seventh day more than 2000 years before there were any Jews.

Your accusations that people here “despise the Creator’s rest day” or say that the Sabbath had no value to the Creator is a made up accusation. There is no scriptural evidence that the Creator commanded Sabbath keeping to anyone except the nation of Israel and He only commanded them to keep it after He got them out from under Egyptian authority. The Sabbath law was meant for a physical sovereign nation ruled directly by God with real protected borders. You are claiming that it must be observed by individuals living within nations ruled by Satan. This is equivalent to God ordering the children of Israel to observe the Sabbath while they were still under Egyptian bondage… that would have amounted to a cruel joke

When the children of Israel kept the Sabbath every man, woman, child, horse, donkey and ox in the entire nation stopped working… it was a national law and part of their constitution. So of course if it were broken the state under the rule of God would carry out the punishment. But for God to command individuals today living under the governments of Satan to observe the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath, something He did not do to the children of Israel while they were living under Egyptian authority, would not only be unfair but a cruel joke.

This is why the decree went out from Jerusalem to calm the gentiles who were being troubled by those such as you. Those who were given a limited amount of freedom under Roman authority to observe their customs and traditions which included Sabbath keeping. They were not bringing a message of peace to the gentile converts but a message of bondage to laws that were never meant to be observed by individuals living in nations ruled by Satan. That’s why Paul never went to the gentiles with the message of Sabbath keeping. Peter never commanded the household of Cornelius to keep the Sabbath after they received the Holy Spirit.

It’s not wrong for people to observe Sabbaths and no one is "despising" anything of the old covenant. But it’s rebellion against Christ to go against the decree that went out of Jerusalem and go tell gentile converts that they must keep the Sabbath. And for these modern days with the nations of the world ruled by Satan, it's a lot more severe to go against the commandment of Christ that went out from Jerusalem to the children of God than the 4th commandment that went out from Mount Sinai to the children of Israel.

 

[JesusLives]

so you admit you are either 7th Day Adventist or COG... which one?
If you answer, then I answer. I did ask first.

What's a COG?

 

[Rockbysea]

What's a COG?

Church of God

 

[RedTent]

Your accusations that people here “despise the Creator’s rest day” or say that the Sabbath had no value to the Creator is a made up accusation. There is no scriptural evidence that the Creator commanded Sabbath keeping to anyone except the nation of Israel and He only commanded them to keep it after He got them out from under Egyptian authority. The Sabbath law was meant for a physical sovereign nation ruled directly by God with real protected borders. You are claiming that it must be observed by individuals living within nations ruled by Satan. This is equivalent to God ordering the children of Israel to observe the Sabbath while they were still under Egyptian bondage… that would have amounted to a cruel joke
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You are right that God gave instructions about the Sabbath to only those alive in Him, God called them Israel. You need to take this on to how Christ updated this, and how Paul took the gospel to the gentiles. We are adopted into the family of God, so when you say that does not include us, you are saying we aren't of Christ. That is not so, we are included in the family of God. The blessings of the Sabbath are for us too, we are not excluded from those blessings.

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by JesusLives

P.S. The seventh day Sabbath was given back at creation therefore not a mosaic law. It was the celebration at the end of God's creation - Kinda like His signature on a job well done and God celebrated it with Adam and Eve.

I agree, but there is nothing in the text of the fourth commandment identifying other than one day in a cycle of sevens. To say that Saturday is in this text is absurd when one considers that the seven names for days of the week were not given until the after the New Covenant went into effect. Again, there is nothing in the text of the fourth commandment telling us that is was anything other than one day in a cycle of sevens. The confusion lies in most Christians not knowing that sabbaton (Strong's #4521) is translated "week" in Matthew 28:1 and seven other references. Matt. 28:1 describes the day that Jesus rose from the dead as "the first day of the week (sabbatons)." Matthew, in other words, and seven other references call this day "the first" the number one, or the chief of sabbatons. Early in the next century, when names were applied to days of the week, this one was given---Sunday. Justin Martyr, in the second century, affirmed that the day on which Jesus rose from the dead, "the first of the Sabbatons," the day which came to be known as "Sunday," was applicable to the fourth commandment. Over eighteen hundred years of Christian history tell us the same. The bottom line is that there are eight NT references connecting the fourth commandment Sabbath to the day Jesus rose from the dead, the which came to be known as Sunday.

Since my post above did not have the word Saturday in it but the seventh day Sabbath - you in your reply have recognized Saturday as the seventh day. You are telling me that it is not Saturday when my post didn't say it was Saturday... But I agree with you. It is Saturday.

 

[RedTent]

Jesuslives: P.S. The seventh day Sabbath was given back at creation therefore not a mosaic law. It was the celebration at the end of God's creation - Kinda like His signature on a job well done and God celebrated it with Adam and Eve.

I don't think any scripture is given to us not to read, just a personal note to someone in scripture. Scripture is meant for everyone that God created.

I agree, but there is nothing in the text of the fourth commandment identifying other than one day in a cycle of sevens. To say that Saturday is in this text is absurd when one considers that the seven names for days of the week were not given until the after the New Covenant went into effect.

We are not given scripture to tell us that now the 1st day will be called Sunday, 2nd day will be called Monday, etc. I read somewhere about when they were named, can't remember, but I do know that Sunday is called that because it is the day of the Sun, and from the idol worshippers who said the Sun was a God. Sunday is not only the 1st day of the week, it is the day of the Sun god.

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by JesusLives

P.S. The seventh day Sabbath was given back at creation therefore not a mosaic law. It was the celebration at the end of God's creation - Kinda like His signature on a job well done and God celebrated it with Adam and Eve.

The first mention of Sabbath is in Exodus 16, not Genesis. You are believing a myth.

Genesis 2
1- Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them were finished.
2- And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had don, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3- Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which Gad had created and made.

Does any of this sound familiar? Sounds a lot like the 4th Commandment to me. Blessed and sanctified makes that day special. Did or is it called the Sabbath not labeled here but God was speaking directly to Adam and Eve face to face and He would have explained His special, blessed, sanctified day to them. Sabbath was instituted back in the Garden of Eden if you want to ignore it I feel sorry for you sincerely.

 

[JesusLives]

Then why did God hand Moses tablets of stone that also included the fourth commandment? Does God have poor memory?

Because they had been slaves for 400 years in Egypt and they had forgotten which is one of the reasons God said Remember. No God does not have a poor memory men do. The word Remember is for us today too, as most people don't even know about the Sabbath at all.

 

[Laodicea]

Laodicea,

Both MKJV and the LITV are both from a single man, named Jay P. Green. Isn't that interesting. The man who translated the bible in his garage... The LITV is currently out of print. Do you really expect me to take those translations seriously?

The man has also declared all his "translations" to be 100% error free and accurate. I can't find a review of this mans bibles from other scholars. Yet no one is taking any of Jay Green's works seriously. As best as I can determine he translates from the byzantine family of manuscripts only.

Is there no bottom to how low you will sink to prove a point?

Even if that is true that does not change the meaning from the concordance. The word alone sabbaton tells us that it is sabbath.

 

[JesusLives]

Okay, first allow me to apologize. It wasn't you that said it was wrong for me not to rest on the sabbath. It was JesusLives in post 372. I try to be very careful and that got by me.

Still doesn't change what you said about me rejecting Jesus' word. Whe He died on the cross he did fulfill the law. It had completed it's work at that point in time, you sir, are the one not understanding what Christ was telling us. One more time, I will bring you what Christ said:
He was very clear about His instruction for us to keep HIS, not God's. He kept God's, and with His blood, fulfilled them so that, thru faith, we had an easier path to salvation. You cannot explain that away. His commandments we keep, because He kept His Father's commandments.

Paul is very clear, in more than one place, that we are no longer under the law. Paul got his gospel from Christ. If you refuse to believe Paul, YOU are directly rejecting Christ's word.

Your conscience must be bothering you because I never said you were wrong either. You are reading something into my words that wasn't there nor directed at you.

 

[Rockbysea]

You are right that God gave instructions about the Sabbath to only those alive in Him, God called them Israel. You need to take this on to how Christ updated this, and how Paul took the gospel to the gentiles. We are adopted into the family of God, so when you say that does not include us, you are saying we aren't of Christ. That is not so, we are included in the family of God. The blessings of the Sabbath are for us too, we are not excluded from those blessings.

Show me where Paul took the gospel to the gentiles that included commands to observe the Sabbath? Show me where it says God gave instructions about the Sabbath "to those alive in Him"? You are pulling all of this out of thin air. You are fabricating doctrine as you go. But I showed you where you are disobeying Christ by ignoring the decree that went out of Jerusalem that settled this contention. The decree that went out of Jerusalem is something you all continue to ignore and when you can't ignore it you just twist scripture in a futile attempt to make it mean the exact opposite. If you disobey the decree you are disobeying Christ and if you disobey Christ then what are you?

 

[JesusLives]

I asked a question, you gave an answer. Don't take it harder than you have to.

I am loosely affiliated with the Conservative Baptist Convention.

Could you expand on loosely affiliated? Just curious.

 

[phil112]

.............................. people who celebrate on Sunday and don't know any different aren't condemned, but those who know to do right and don't do it - it is sin. Our loving God just asks us to Remember.

Your conscience must be bothering you because I never said you were wrong either. You are reading something into my words that wasn't there nor directed at you.

That is exactly what you said. "those who know to do right and don't do it"..........we are talking about the sabbath. Are you going to tell me you just arbitrarily threw that sentence in there and didn't mean for it to have anything to do with what we are discussing?