Attack of the Judaizers

[Hizikyah]

Seems there is a clear divide between those who have the Torah written on their heart and those who hate Yahweh's Torah.

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

Reminds me of this:

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

And this:

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.


Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Psa 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Pro 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

 

[Elin]

Seems there is a clear divide between those who have the Torah written on their heart and those who hate Yahweh's Torah.

Actually, the divide is between those who want to Judaize the revelation spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, and those who don't.

 

[Hizikyah]

Actually, the divide is between those who want to Judaize the revelation spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, and those who don't.

So here is a part of the message:

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

The Messiah I follow teaches to keep Yahweh's Law, and even explains it properly and was even prophesied to do this:

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

 

[Elin]

So here is a part of the message:

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

'Round and 'round the same ole bush. . .always with the same outcome--unbelief of the NT.

The Law has not failed. The Judaizing (Gal 2:14) mindset does not understand what "fail" means.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
reveals the law has accomplished the purposes for which it was given:

1) to show the meaning of sin as spiritual defilement through the defilement regulations,
2) to lock up all men in sin with its curse (Gal 3:10) for imperfect law keeping (Dt 27:26),
3) to show through the purification laws the cleansing of sin by the blood of Christ Jesus
for all who believe in him,
4) to reveal the remedy God provides for sin through faith in the propitiating sacrifice of
his Son (Ro 3:25).

When God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek,
he changed the law (Heb 7:12), which was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19),
and was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
by setting the law aside (Heb 7:18), and replacing it with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40),
which now fulfills (performs) the law (Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

That is the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
which you reject.

One more time: your setting of the Scriptures against themselveso serves only to reveal
your misunderstanding of them, for God does not contradict himself.

 

[RedTent]

Actually, the divide is between those who want to Judaize the revelation spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, and those who don't.

I don't think so, Elin. I think that it is demons who have interfered with Christian thinking about Judaize, and the meaning of that.

the Emperor Constantine led the Christian church in the definition of that word. He taught that anything the Jews did, Christians must not do. That was the influence church councils are using to this day. To this day, it is taught in the church as the meaning of Judaize and we are told to avoid anything Jewish under his instructions.

The church uses Paul's struggle with the first century church to be allowed to go to the gentiles without the Rabbi Hillel's rules (not God's but a rabbi) that those in the church must be naturalized into Jews. It is explained in Acts.

When you say that means that anything of what was mentioned in the OT, as some extremist are saying, is ruled out by God you are not following either God or Christ.

 

[Hizikyah]

'Round and 'round the same ole bush. . .always with the same outcome--unbelief of the NT.

The Law has not failed. The Judaizing (Gal 2:14) mindset does not understand what "fail" means.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
reveals the law has accomplished the purposes for which it was given:

1) to show the meaning of sin as spiritual defilement through the defilement regulations,
2) to lock up all men in sin with its curse (Gal 3:10) for imperfect law keeping (Dt 27:26),
3) to show through the purification laws the cleansing of sin by the blood of Christ Jesus
for all who believe in him,
4) to reveal the remedy God provides for sin through faith in the propitiating sacrifice of
his Son (Ro 3:25).

When God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek,
he changed the law (Heb 7:12), which was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19),
and was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
by setting the law aside (Heb 7:18), and replacing it with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40),
which now fulfills (performs) the law (Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

That is the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
which you reject.

One more time: your setting of the Scriptures against themselveso serves only to reveal
your misunderstanding of them, for God does not contradict himself.

So quoting and standing on "NT" Scriptures is rejecting them?

Did I miss something here?

Mattithyah 19:16-17, "And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life? But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

1785. entolé
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Lets not lie to ourselves, Messiah clearly said a vital component to eternal life is following Yahweh's Laws. (or Commandments if you are stuck on mainstream traditional translation)

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

I find it telling that your claim I reject "NT" while these verses i quote are just more things Messiah said that people ignore. And what is the meaning of the term Christian? "Christ Like" Well Messiah kept and taught the Laws of His Father.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

 

[Hizikyah]

'Round and 'round the same ole bush. . .always with the same outcome--unbelief of the NT.

The Law has not failed. The Judaizing (Gal 2:14) mindset does not understand what "fail" means.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
reveals the law has accomplished the purposes for which it was given:

1) to show the meaning of sin as spiritual defilement through the defilement regulations,
2) to lock up all men in sin with its curse (Gal 3:10) for imperfect law keeping (Dt 27:26),
3) to show through the purification laws the cleansing of sin by the blood of Christ Jesus
for all who believe in him,
4) to reveal the remedy God provides for sin through faith in the propitiating sacrifice of
his Son (Ro 3:25).

When God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek,
he changed the law (Heb 7:12), which was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19),
and was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
by setting the law aside (Heb 7:18), and replacing it with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40),
which now fulfills (performs) the law (Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

That is the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
which you reject.

One more time: your setting of the Scriptures against themselveso serves only to reveal
your misunderstanding of them, for God does not contradict himself.

And yes the priesthood has been transferred, and now Messiah Yahshua is High Priest after the order of the malak zadiq.

How does this destroy do not kill, do not steal, remember the Sabbath?

 

[RedTent]

When God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek,
he changed the law (Heb 7:12), which was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19),
and was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
by setting the law aside (Heb 7:18), and replacing it with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40),
which now fulfills (performs) the law (Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

That is the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
which you reject.

One more time: your setting of the Scriptures against themselveso serves only to reveal
your misunderstanding of them, for God does not contradict himself.

In Heb 7:12, it is repeating what God has always said, that the law is weak and useless to make righteous.. It was always so, Christ did not change that fact. It is always told to us that only through blood. The law was always set aside for that, do read all Christ says about the law as He gave it.

When Christ explained how He changed it, Christ used the law not to murder to illustrate. He didn't say my law gets rid of my Father's law not to murder, he explained that we weren't to think murderous thoughts about anyone in addition to what His Father said. It is impossible to follow Christ's law if we insist we must cancel the law spoken of in a portion of scripture that many are denying.

Love is filling up the law, all law is based on love and the love our Father has for us, love does not cancel any law.

People who are saying the law is good, the law is of God, are not rejecting anything. They are accepting all you say except for your teaching that scripture is a word to us to reject parts of scripture. You are basing this on what is fulfilled, and you use the word change for that, but to fill up and complete is not a word meaning to cancel.

 

[Elin]

When God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek,
he changed the law (Heb 7:12), which was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19),
and was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
by setting the law aside (Heb 7:18), and replacing it with
the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40), which now fulfills (performs) the law
(Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

That is the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
which you reject.

One more time: your setting of the Scriptures against themselveso serves only to reveal
your misunderstanding of them, for God does not contradict himself.

In Heb 7:12, it is repeating what God has always said, that the law is weak and useless to make righteous.. It was always so, Christ did not change that fact. It is always told to us that only through blood. The law was always set aside for that, do read all Christ says about the law as He gave it.

When Christ explained how He changed it,
Christ used the law not to murder to illustrate. He didn't say my law gets rid of my Father's law not to murder, he explained that we weren't to think murderous thoughts about anyone in addition to what His Father said. It is impossible to follow Christ's law if we insist we must cancel the law spoken of in a portion of scripture that many are denying.

Love is filling up the law, all law is based on love and the love our Father has for us, love does not cancel any law.

People who are saying the law is good, the law is of God, are not rejecting anything. They are accepting all you say except for your teaching that scripture is a word to us to reject parts of scripture. You are basing this on what is fulfilled, and you use the word change for that, but to fill up and complete is not a word meaning to cancel.

We are agreed. . .see mine in the bolded red above.

 

[Elin]

I don't think so, Elin. I think that it is demons who have interfered with Christian thinking about
Judaize, and the meaning of that.

the Emperor Constantine led the Christian church in the definition of that word.

Well, actually, "Judaize" is the literal meaning of the Greek Ioudaizo used by Paul in Gal 2:14.

It translates "to live as do the Jews."

 

[Elin]

The Law has not failed. The Judaizing (Gal 2:14) mindset does not understand what "fail" means.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
reveals the law has accomplished the purposes for which it was given:

1) to show the meaning of sin as spiritual defilement through the defilement regulations,
2) to lock up all men in sin with its curse (Gal 3:10) for imperfect law keeping (Dt 27:26),
3) to show through the purification laws the cleansing of sin by the blood of Christ Jesus
for all who believe in him,
4) to reveal the remedy God provides for sin through faith in the propitiating sacrifice of
his Son (Ro 3:25).

When God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek,
he changed the law (Heb 7:12), which was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19),
and was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
by setting the law aside (Heb 7:18), and replacing it with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40),
which now fulfills (performs) the law (Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

That is the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
which you reject.

One more time: your setting of the Scriptures against themselveso serves only to reveal
your misunderstanding of them, for God does not contradict himself.

So quoting and standing on "NT" Scriptures is rejecting them?

Are you standing on Mt 22:40?

 

[Hizikyah]

Are you standing on Mt 22:40?

I stand on all Scripture, no mistranslations or misunderstands but all Scripture.

Yess Matt 22:40 is awesome!

And we have gone through this many times, it dosent blot out all commandment, Shaul makes this clear in Romans 13.

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Mattithyah 19:16-17, "And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life? But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

1785. entolé
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Lets not lie to ourselves, Messiah clearly said a vital component to eternal life is following Yahweh's Laws. (or Commandments if you are stuck on mainstream traditional translation)

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

I find it telling that your claim I reject "NT" while these verses i quote are just more things Messiah said that people ignore. And what is the meaning of the term Christian? "Christ Like" Well Messiah kept and taught the Laws of His Father.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

If we are to be followers of Messiah WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO WHAT HE SAYS. Not just read His words and say ehh, thats just another thing He said that im going to ignore.

 

[Elin]

Are you standing on Mt 22:40?

I stand on all Scripture, no mistranslations or misunderstands but all Scripture.

Yess Matt 22:40 is awesome!
Are you standing on Mt 22:40?

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Paul didn't add in Ro 13:8-10 any Levitical laws to the commandments which Mt 22:37-39 fulfill;
i.e., perform.

That's your doing, not the doing of the word of God.

You aren't standing on either Mt 22:40 or Ro 13:10.

You are standing on your Judaization of them.

That's not standing "on all Scripture."

 

[Hizikyah]

Paul didn't add in Ro 13:8-10 any Levitical laws to the commandments which Mt 22:37-39 fulfill;
i.e., perform.

That's your doing, not the doing of the word of God.

You aren't standing on either Mt 22:40 or Ro 13:10.

You are standing on your Judaization of them.

That's not standing "on all Scripture."

What? when did I say anything about any levitical law?

in post 1988 i said this:

And yes the priesthood has been transferred, and now Messiah Yahshua is High Priest after the order of the malak zadiq.

How does this destroy do not kill, do not steal, remember the Sabbath?

 

[Hizikyah]

The beast says:

Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29

"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."

Yahweh says:

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

If you think the Sabbath is only for the Hebrew people and/or gentiles were grafted in during the NT you are Scriptually wrong:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

 

[Elin]

What? when did I say anything about any levitical law?

in post 1988 i said this:

Review your post #1993, ninth paragraph.

 

[danschance]

I don't think so, Elin. I think that it is demons who have interfered with Christian thinking about Judaize, and the meaning of that.

Honestly, I think you are closer to the truth than you realize except I believe those who judaize are the ones under a religuos demon.

the Emperor Constantine led the Christian church in the definition of that word. He taught that anything the Jews did, Christians must not do. That was the influence church councils are using to this day. To this day, it is taught in the church as the meaning of Judaize and we are told to avoid anything Jewish under his instructions.

Not the "C" word (Constantine) again! You might think it is all ole Connie's fault but I am simply going by scripture and nothing else. I bet you can not find a single document that backs up your claim.

The church uses Paul's struggle with the first century church to be allowed to go to the gentiles without the Rabbi Hillel's rules (not God's but a rabbi) that those in the church must be naturalized into Jews. It is explained in Acts.

When you say that means that anything of what was mentioned in the OT, as some extremist are saying, is ruled out by God you are not following either God or Christ.

I don't follow your reasoning here.

 

[danschance]

Redtent, here are some quotes from the early church fathers. Please not the dates are before Constantine's birthday in 272 AD.

The Didache"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

Tertullian
"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

The Didascalia
"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen
"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).

So as you can see, Constantine is not the one who who did away with sabbath observance.

 

[RedTent]

=danschance;1386217]Honestly, I think you are closer to the truth than you realize except I believe those who judaize are the ones under a religuos demon.

What scripture do you accept as scripture before the resurrection?

Not the "C" word (Constantine) again! You might think it is all ole Connie's fault but I am simply going by scripture and nothing else. I bet you can not find a single document that backs up your claim.

Is there any history that you accept? And you truly are not going by scripture, you are going by your interpretation of scripture. I have done this in the past, it is like being in a pit you can't see out of. I still work hard at reading with God's viewpoint in mind, it leads to truth and that is so freeing. It is getting out of self into Christ.

I don't follow your reasoning here

. This is defining the meaning of the words Law of Moses as it was understand in Paul's day, and of course you cannot understand a word of it.