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Agree!! President Andrew Jackson comes to mind because this man had tremendous hatred for native Americans, and initiated "The Trail of Tears."
Obama's Policies 'Pave the Way' for Antichrist
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Agree!! President Andrew Jackson comes to mind because this man had tremendous hatred for native Americans, and initiated "The Trail of Tears."
The laws we have that are infringing on the laws God gave like laws that approve immorality should be a wake up call to all Christians. It isn't one man that God allowed to lead us in this way, it is what we accept as a people that is leading us.
I made a thread saying we have power, and suggesting ways to use it for God, like what we watch and how we live. One poster said he flatly refused to even consider it, and it was not a popular thread. No one said they would consider doing it.
Popular threads have to do with how the law is obsolete, that we can follow the Holy Ghost without once checking ourselves with the word. We are to follow the spirit and edit out parts of the word. What is galling is that separate verses are copy and pasted to prove God is supposed to be guiding us to endorse our editing. The edits are always toward one goal, to prove you can have the spirit of the Lord and ignore anything to do with working with that spirit.
I made a thread saying we have power, and suggesting ways to use it for God, like what we watch and how we live. One poster said he flatly refused to even consider it, and it was not a popular thread. No one said they would consider doing it.
Popular threads have to do with how the law is obsolete, that we can follow the Holy Ghost without once checking ourselves with the word. We are to follow the spirit and edit out parts of the word. What is galling is that separate verses are copy and pasted to prove God is supposed to be guiding us to endorse our editing. The edits are always toward one goal, to prove you can have the spirit of the Lord and ignore anything to do with working with that spirit.
Wrong continent. The "anti-christ" (misnomer, the Beast is correct here) will arise in Europe.
So you are saying whether the US is week or powerful in foreign policy, they/we will have not effect concerning the beast, or dragon? I think that the church is falling away from the truth, and it all started by most religions denying the law and the prophets as relevant for today. Therefore we have opened an avenue for the anti-Christ. It started with the church.
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why do so many consider the United States of america a christian nation? It is a nation of people from all over the world who desire to live free from the oppressors who tell them they must live as they demand or face imprisonment or death. It is not a 'christian' nation. It is a nation for all to have freedom to worship and believe whatever the hell they want to worship and believe. So many today speak of this holy christian nation that has turned it's back on God. What a joke. these great christian fathers of america slaughtered native americans and took their lands, enslaved people based on the color of their skin. and butchered one another in a civil war.
Get off america is a christian nation, it is not and has never been, its founding documents make sure that it be separated from the church. Many who call themselves christians live in america, but I would like to know what holy acts they have done in the past for people to think somehow america is special? our government created weapons of mass destruction and used them on people, since World War II america has attempted to dominate the world through aggression and military dominance. christians are the church, not america. christians need to live for Christ not americans.
Just a thought
Get off america is a christian nation, it is not and has never been, its founding documents make sure that it be separated from the church. Many who call themselves christians live in america, but I would like to know what holy acts they have done in the past for people to think somehow america is special? our government created weapons of mass destruction and used them on people, since World War II america has attempted to dominate the world through aggression and military dominance. christians are the church, not america. christians need to live for Christ not americans.
Just a thought
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I am making a study of Daniel under the tutelage of a man who has done that, he is teaching only from scripture. His knowledge of scripture is extensive. His purpose is to only be certain when Scripture tells us precisely. He lists what LaHaye and Lindsey have to say, and all the current interpretations, saying we must stay only with scripture. Often it is to say we aren't told exactly what the symbolism means. This study is amazing! I am learning not to use my own "common sense" but the Lord's common sense as I read scripture.
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Liberals were conflicted. They couldn't decide if they wanted to label him the anti-Christ or Hitler. In the end, they went with both. The fact it was impossible for him to actually be both was immaterial to them because liberals don't bother with logic. They base truth on whatever they happen to be feeling at the moment.
Anyone who thinks LaHaye and Lindsay are Biblical scholars are delusional. We won't even get into their false prophecies and bad eschatology! I would say don't walk but run away as fast as you can, RedTent!
As for the end coming for the United States, it depends on how you define the end. If you mean a waning of the power and influence, I can agree. Entitlement has driven the American economy into the ground. A warmongering mindset has sapped the country dry. To say nothing of the pride and parochial arrogance seen in threads like this where the USA is deemed to be not just the centre of the the economic world, now in decline, but the centre of God's world.
As for the rest of the world, most will survive and/or thrive. Not sure about my own country, because our economy is so heavily tied to the US.
Try to remember this is an international forum, and stop putting threads that assume this forum is only for Americans. And do try learning a bit more about the world.
I won't even get started on learning to read the Bible, and study it, rather than than posting links to false prophets and outright deceivers! I am constantly naive about expecting people to actually have a knowledge of the book God gave us, when so few people have actually read the Bible for themselves! I hope this thread will stick in my mind, and I will not assume people have a clue about the Bible anymore.
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Obama's "lawyering up."
WHY IS BARRY LAWYERING UP?? � The Burning Platform
The Wall Street Journal said, "This means Obama is looking for many charges to be brought against him. He has used all of Kathryn Ruemmler’s talents and now needs someone with much more expertise and a “NEW plan of attack”.
It's possible if Republicans gain materially in the Senate this next election that he could be threatened by investigations and I think that's what this is all about. Obama's doing his due diligence here to protect himself in case that happens.
That said, I'm skeptical that even if the GOP took the Senate that the investigations would go anywhere as though the Constitution allows for it, typically incoming presidents close any open files and investigations on outgoing presidents with the only exceptions being investigations they do not have the authority to close (such as a federal legislative investigation) yet even in such cases they have issued a pardon. An example would be Ford issuing Proclamation 4311, which gave Nixon a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes he might have committed against the United States while President.
As far as a sitting U.S. president being arrested while in office, it's never happened. The only time an arrest of a President has ever come close to happening is the Watergate scandal with Nixon, but he resigned before charges were ever brought forth and, as stated, was pardoned. The House of Representatives has the power to impeach the president but then the Senate must convict them before any punishment can be handed out so it's almost impossible to actually accomplish. You'd have to have the Congress and Senate in agreement and then the incoming President would have to allow it by not issuing a pardon and after all that the Judiciary would have to approve it.
I mean Reagan had an extensive illegal operation going in which hard drugs were dumped by the CIA for a drug cartel illegally in the U.S. to finance wars south of our border and he simply walked away from it by saying "I don't remember" or the equivalent 124 times... lol.
But make no mistake, a great legal defense matters and Obama is making sure he has one.
WHY IS BARRY LAWYERING UP?? � The Burning Platform
The Wall Street Journal said, "This means Obama is looking for many charges to be brought against him. He has used all of Kathryn Ruemmler’s talents and now needs someone with much more expertise and a “NEW plan of attack”.
It's possible if Republicans gain materially in the Senate this next election that he could be threatened by investigations and I think that's what this is all about. Obama's doing his due diligence here to protect himself in case that happens.
That said, I'm skeptical that even if the GOP took the Senate that the investigations would go anywhere as though the Constitution allows for it, typically incoming presidents close any open files and investigations on outgoing presidents with the only exceptions being investigations they do not have the authority to close (such as a federal legislative investigation) yet even in such cases they have issued a pardon. An example would be Ford issuing Proclamation 4311, which gave Nixon a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes he might have committed against the United States while President.
As far as a sitting U.S. president being arrested while in office, it's never happened. The only time an arrest of a President has ever come close to happening is the Watergate scandal with Nixon, but he resigned before charges were ever brought forth and, as stated, was pardoned. The House of Representatives has the power to impeach the president but then the Senate must convict them before any punishment can be handed out so it's almost impossible to actually accomplish. You'd have to have the Congress and Senate in agreement and then the incoming President would have to allow it by not issuing a pardon and after all that the Judiciary would have to approve it.
I mean Reagan had an extensive illegal operation going in which hard drugs were dumped by the CIA for a drug cartel illegally in the U.S. to finance wars south of our border and he simply walked away from it by saying "I don't remember" or the equivalent 124 times... lol.
But make no mistake, a great legal defense matters and Obama is making sure he has one.
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I forgot to add that this is the White House Council that he's replaced. He still retains his own personal attorney besides, of course.
You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people.
(Exodus 22:28)
even if they smite you, themselves breaking the law:
And looking intently at the council, Paul said,
even as the spirit in you convicts the world of sin, don't become a pawn of the other party. we follow Christ, not politics. called to the Kingdom of God, not the GOP.
what did Jesus say of Caeser? nothing. He bade Peter go catch a fish, and paid His lawful tax.
(Exodus 22:28)
even if they smite you, themselves breaking the law:
And looking intently at the council, Paul said,
“Brothers, I have lived my life before God in all good conscience up to this day.”
And the high priest Ananias commanded those who stood by him to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Are you sitting to judge me according to the law, and yet contrary to the law you order me to be struck?”
Those who stood by said,
“Would you revile God’s high priest?”
And Paul said,“I did not know, brothers, that he was the high priest, for it is written,
‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”
(Acts 23:1-5)
even as the spirit in you convicts the world of sin, don't become a pawn of the other party. we follow Christ, not politics. called to the Kingdom of God, not the GOP.
what did Jesus say of Caeser? nothing. He bade Peter go catch a fish, and paid His lawful tax.
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Exodus 22:28 was written in the context of God's special covenant with the nation of Israel in which God Himself handpicked Israel's rulers (note: the word curse here means revile).
Now you're correct that the Apostle Paul applied it to the High Priest who was the presiding officer of the Sanhedrin and the chief religious official of Israelite religion and of classical Judaism from the rise of the Israelite nation until the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem after which the office ceased to exist but you forgot to note that the High Priest was a religious ruler not a political ruler.
The political ruler of Judea at that time was Pontius Pilate. He had entered public life to advance his own career and serve his own selfish purposes. He was ruthless and murderous, with a reputation among the Jews he ruled as being tyrannical and tempestuous. He had a very low and corrupt character.
God never has had a special covenant with any nation other than Israel and does not handpick the nation's political rulers today. The verse didn't extrapolate to Pilate and certainly doesn't to Hitler or Obama both of whom are outside of it's intended context.
Just because citizens have an obligation to pay taxes doesn't mean they should enable and refuse to resist the wickedness of morally corrupt modern political rulers.
It's as ignorant as trying to use Romans 13 to prove the tyrant's claim that Christians must give absolute and total submission to civil government which is tantamount to using 1 Timothy 5:23 to prove the wino's claim that his submission and addiction to booze is justified and even commanded by God.
If a political ruler shows themselves to be corrupt, I'm going to revile their corruption. They are NOT my spiritual ruler. AND, I'm not a member of the GOP. I'm a registered independent. I have revile for political corruption wherever it resides.
Now you're correct that the Apostle Paul applied it to the High Priest who was the presiding officer of the Sanhedrin and the chief religious official of Israelite religion and of classical Judaism from the rise of the Israelite nation until the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem after which the office ceased to exist but you forgot to note that the High Priest was a religious ruler not a political ruler.
The political ruler of Judea at that time was Pontius Pilate. He had entered public life to advance his own career and serve his own selfish purposes. He was ruthless and murderous, with a reputation among the Jews he ruled as being tyrannical and tempestuous. He had a very low and corrupt character.
God never has had a special covenant with any nation other than Israel and does not handpick the nation's political rulers today. The verse didn't extrapolate to Pilate and certainly doesn't to Hitler or Obama both of whom are outside of it's intended context.
Just because citizens have an obligation to pay taxes doesn't mean they should enable and refuse to resist the wickedness of morally corrupt modern political rulers.
It's as ignorant as trying to use Romans 13 to prove the tyrant's claim that Christians must give absolute and total submission to civil government which is tantamount to using 1 Timothy 5:23 to prove the wino's claim that his submission and addiction to booze is justified and even commanded by God.
If a political ruler shows themselves to be corrupt, I'm going to revile their corruption. They are NOT my spiritual ruler. AND, I'm not a member of the GOP. I'm a registered independent. I have revile for political corruption wherever it resides.
13 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; [SUP]4 [/SUP]for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.
We see Daniel as a great example of submission without disobeying God. Daniel served without being disrespectful, but he also refused to do anything that would displease God. Joseph also comes to mind. Samson, not so much (I don't know why Samson came to mind, but he didn't seem to be much of a submitter). David is also a great and humble example in the way that he acted toward Saul (beyond my comprehension really).
P.S. I don't agree with Obama......or the idea that is paving the way for the antichrist.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.
We see Daniel as a great example of submission without disobeying God. Daniel served without being disrespectful, but he also refused to do anything that would displease God. Joseph also comes to mind. Samson, not so much (I don't know why Samson came to mind, but he didn't seem to be much of a submitter). David is also a great and humble example in the way that he acted toward Saul (beyond my comprehension really).
P.S. I don't agree with Obama......or the idea that is paving the way for the antichrist.
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[video=youtube_share;Iacxujli53E]http://youtu.be/Iacxujli53E[/video]
The Problem
They, like the grandfather of Communism, Georg Hegel, argue that government is divinely sanctioned to do anything it pleases and that God requires people to submit regardless of natural standards of justice.
This argument has been used by virtually every tyrant since Jesus’ life, including Adolf Hitler, and it is fallaciously being used by Christians.
This false premise is doing more to bring America and the rest of the world into oppression and slavery than perhaps any other doctrine.
Holders of this doctrine are creating self-fulfilling prophecies of America’s ruin–all in the name of a shallow reading and misconstruction of Romans chapter 13.
The Resolution
Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission shows, with overwhelming support, that submission to government is limited and that the obey-government-no-matter-what argument is false!
Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission discusses and shows sound rules of biblical interpretation and construction, incorporates logical and literary reasoning, and uses hundreds of Scriptural proofs for its conclusions.
Every person, pastor, and Christian, whether skilled in biblical concepts or not, can and will learn from Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission.
Perhaps more than any other resource, Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission will help you achieve a much greater and deeper understanding of and appreciation for the Biblical teaching regarding a person’s duty of submission and relationship towards government.
[video=youtube_share;Iacxujli53E]http://youtu.be/Iacxujli53E[/video]
The Problem
They, like the grandfather of Communism, Georg Hegel, argue that government is divinely sanctioned to do anything it pleases and that God requires people to submit regardless of natural standards of justice.
This argument has been used by virtually every tyrant since Jesus’ life, including Adolf Hitler, and it is fallaciously being used by Christians.
This false premise is doing more to bring America and the rest of the world into oppression and slavery than perhaps any other doctrine.
Holders of this doctrine are creating self-fulfilling prophecies of America’s ruin–all in the name of a shallow reading and misconstruction of Romans chapter 13.
The Resolution
Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission shows, with overwhelming support, that submission to government is limited and that the obey-government-no-matter-what argument is false!
Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission discusses and shows sound rules of biblical interpretation and construction, incorporates logical and literary reasoning, and uses hundreds of Scriptural proofs for its conclusions.
Every person, pastor, and Christian, whether skilled in biblical concepts or not, can and will learn from Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission.
Perhaps more than any other resource, Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission will help you achieve a much greater and deeper understanding of and appreciation for the Biblical teaching regarding a person’s duty of submission and relationship towards government.
I hope you didn't understand my post to say that we should blindly follow our government, because I don't feel like I said that at all.
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Obama's choice for prayer breakfast "pastor" is a moral abomination by the righteous standard of historical normative Christian morality: LifeSiteNews Mobile | First openly gay Episcopal bishop to divorce his ‘husband’
And there's another "anti-christ" we all have to deal with on a daily basis:
Our flesh. Nothing is more opposed to the Kingdom of God than our flesh.
Thankfully, Jesus is much greater than our flesh.
Maybe we should spend more time looking at "the Christ" than looking for the "anti-christ".