Sabbath Law and Rest

[john832]

This is a description of the man who is born again.

No, here is a description of a man who is born again...

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Paul goes on to clarify...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Being born again occurs at the resurrection.

The problem is not the law. The problem is that the solution given by the pharisees is not the correct solution.

Their solution is the same as your solution. Work at the law.

I am just repeating what Christ said...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

So I guess it really wasn't my solution you were putting down after all, it was Christ's solution.

But you don't give any solution to this working at the law. You don't show how these burdens can be lifted. Because to you there are no burdens.

Yep, there are no burdens, I beleive what the Apostle John said...

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Don't forget this one...

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Walking in the Spirit gives us the power to fulfill (not do away with) the Law.

This is a description of what is given to those who are born again.

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Being born again (at the resurrection) means you are given immortality.

It is not a reward for those who think they keep the commandments in their own strength.[/quote

Ah, now when have I EVER said we should keep the Commandments in our own strength? You are adding your own words in here.

You have it backwards. Love causes the keeping of the commands. Keeping the commands does not cause love.

Oh, I full well agree here. It is you who keeps saying that because of love we do not need to keep the Commandments.

planation of what you think Paul and John are saying excludes what the Lord Jesus Christ does for us and exhalts mens work at the law.

No, your twists of what YOU think Paul and John said are excluding what Christ palinly commanded...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If keeping commands caused Love Jesus would have said "good job Pharisees, keep up the good work". But He didn't say that to the Pharisees. Because keeping commands doesn't cause Love. Keeping commands causes people to think that they are superior to other people who don't keep the same commands as them.

OK, let's look at what you just said...

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Christ said they DID NOT keep the Commandments. You have misrepresented it here.

Keeping the Commands is love...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Christ says if we love Him we wil keep them...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

You need to have a heart to heart with Christ about keeping the Commandments. He is the one who says this.

Look at the prayers of the pharisee and the publican. Luke 18

Yep, look at it. The publican is sorry he BROKE the Law. The Pharisee is not.

The simple fact is that the flesh cannot keep the law. The flesh cannot keep commandments. The Law is a great burden on the flesh, on people. Only the Lord Jesus Christ could do it because He was born of God.

I hear that a lot, but the truth is that the carnal (means fleshly) mind cannot keep the Law...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It is the spirit led mind that keeps the Law...

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

How are you going to do that?

The word for perfect there is...

τέλειος
teleios
tel'-i-os
From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full age, man, perfect.

How do we become complete?

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

Same word, complete.

I have a feeling that David knows something that you don't.

OH, I think there is a ton fo stuff that David knew that I don't know. I could only wish that God would say that I am a man after His own heart. By the way, David kept the Law, didn't he?

Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
Psa 1:3 He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? Cleanse me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless, And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

Psa 40:8 I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart."

I don't wish to do away with anything. Even if I wanted to I wouldn't have any power to do so.

Are you sure those verses in Ezekiel aren't prophesying Jesus Christ and the New Birth?

Absolutely sure. I am not spiritualizing away clear prophecies. David will rule over all of Israel, the Apostles each over one of the tribes...

Mat 19:28 So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The law is not bad but it is a burden because in the Law is our Condemnation and Death. If we try to be perfect at the Law it is a work of futility. You can't cause your own flesh to stop desiring what it desires out of your own will power.

Sin is our condemnation and death...

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.

What you can do is come to Christ and abide in Him so He can grow spiritual fruit in your life. You can't cause spiritual fruit to grow by your own will power. You have to ask and have faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

One cannot come to Christ and practice iniquity, lawlessness...

Luk 13:27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.'

Mat 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
Mat 13:42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Grandpa]

No, here is a description of a man who is born again...

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Paul goes on to clarify...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Being born again occurs at the resurrection..

So that's it. You have no way to understand the new birth. You are still under law, literally.

Matthew 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I am just repeating what Christ said...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

So I guess it really wasn't my solution you were putting down after all, it was Christ's solution.

That's not Christs solution. That's Christ presenting you personally with your personal problems. Read Matt 5.

Christs Solution is Matt 11:28-30

Yep, there are no burdens, I beleive what the Apostle John said...

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Don't forget this one...

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Walking in the Spirit gives us the power to fulfill (not do away with) the Law.

How do you walk in the Spirit if you aren't born again?

Right now I'm pretty baffled...

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Being born again (at the resurrection) means you are given immortality.

It is not a reward for those who think they keep the commandments in their own strength.[/quote

Ah, now when have I EVER said we should keep the Commandments in our own strength? You are adding your own words in here.



Oh, I full well agree here. It is you who keeps saying that because of love we do not need to keep the Commandments.



No, your twists of what YOU think Paul and John said are excluding what Christ palinly commanded...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Galatians 3:24-26
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Is this where you do your separation thing and say Paul was talking about the ceremonial law? I just wonder at how you reconcile verses like this.

What about Ephesians 2:8-9?

OK, let's look at what you just said...

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Christ said they DID NOT keep the Commandments. You have misrepresented it here.

Keeping the Commands is love...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Christ says if we love Him we wil keep them...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

You need to have a heart to heart with Christ about keeping the Commandments. He is the one who says this.

I know about keeping His Commands. It doesn't happen because some preacher says you must keep the commands.

It comes because you find out that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins. He Loves you that much, to die for you. Not only that but He changes you and protects you, lightening your burden.

Keeping His Commands comes from the Holy Spirit that He gives to you when you come to Him. This is when you find out how much He Loves you.

Its not the keeping of the commandments that give eternal life. The commandments are what brings a person to Christ. Not the perfect keeping of them but the knowledge that you aren't right before God. Christ is who makes you right and gives eternal life.

I hear that a lot, but the truth is that the carnal (means fleshly) mind cannot keep the Law...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It is the spirit led mind that keeps the Law...

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I completely agree with you on this but have no idea how you came to this conclusion. How do you have the Spirit of God in you if you don't believe in being born again???

The word for perfect there is...

τέλειος
teleios
tel'-i-os
From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full age, man, perfect.

How do we become complete?

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

I don't see an answer there. Seriously. I'm not trying to be dense.

OH, I think there is a ton fo stuff that David knew that I don't know. I could only wish that God would say that I am a man after His own heart. By the way, David kept the Law, didn't he?

No. David didn't keep the Law. He was a murderer and an adulterer. But he knew Grace. Don't ask me how because I'm not sure how. I just know that he knew...

Absolutely sure. I am not spiritualizing away clear prophecies. David will rule over all of Israel, the Apostles each over one of the tribes...

Mat 19:28 So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

OK. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying you are wrong. Maybe you are right. I just don't think it is very likely.

Sin is our condemnation and death...

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.

The strength of sin is the law.

One cannot come to Christ and practice iniquity, lawlessness...

Luk 13:27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.'

Mat 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
Mat 13:42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I agree. Too much fruit of the Spirit being grown.

 

[RedTent]

Grandpa, I can't understand why what scripture tells us isn't so simple there is nothing to discuss. God gave us grace, and that is apart from the law. When we talk about grace we can just forget all about law, except to know that grace and sin cannot live together and the law tells us about sin. So that discussion is settled, and we both agree.

Scripture tells us all about law in Psalm 119, it is beautiful and given for our good. So why speak against something so wonderful as law in a derogatory way? It won't save you but it will bless you.

So all is settled, OK?

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa, I can't understand why what scripture tells us isn't so simple there is nothing to discuss. God gave us grace, and that is apart from the law. When we talk about grace we can just forget all about law, except to know that grace and sin cannot live together and the law tells us about sin. So that discussion is settled, and we both agree.

Scripture tells us all about law in Psalm 119, it is beautiful and given for our good. So why speak against something so wonderful as law in a derogatory way? It won't save you but it will bless you.

So all is settled, OK?

Almost. I take exception to you saying grace and sin cannot live together. If that were the case no one would ever be saved. But people are saved. All the time. Like now. And now. (I don't really know if people were saved right then but it was fun to think)

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

God requires us to fall in love with him and marry him.

otherwise you are a foolish virgin.

Would a newly wed ever ask her mom...

I want to marry him but I dont want to go on the honeymoon
(sabbbath)

something is really wrong there.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

You are not going to heaven if you dont do it out of love.

fear of hell and trying to be good will not work
Jesus told nicodemous, you arent making in , my man. You arent going as you are.

and he was the biggest richest pharisee in the church!
no
Nicodemous
You arent going the way you are...

You have to be born again...

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Being born again is have a good heart created in you
A desire to do everything right
a desire to follow all of Jesus words instead of having debates what you dont have to do
a sheep loves Jesus and goes into the wilderness where there is no grass, he follows him no matter what

a goat wont go if he doesnt see a treat

goats are not going

Jesus said to keep the Sabbath?
OK! Lets go!
that simple.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Not many sheep...

 

[RedTent]

Almost. I take exception to you saying grace and sin cannot live together. If that were the case no one would ever be saved. But people are saved. All the time. Like now. And now. (I don't really know if people were saved right then but it was fun to think)

We are wiped clean by Christ when we go to Him, so we are saved.

 

[psychomom]

Almost. I take exception to you saying grace and sin cannot live together. If that were the case no one would ever be saved. But people are saved. All the time. Like now. And now. (I don't really know if people were saved right then but it was fun to think)

We are wiped clean by Christ when we go to Him, so we are saved.

Rom 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

our sin and God's grace, side by side. ♥

 

[JaumeJ]

This understanding goes hand-in-hand with Paul's lesson on living in grace. He teaches though his body is dead because of sin, his spirit is alive because of grace. He does the very thing he hates. So he asks, "What shall I do?"




Rom 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Rom 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


Rom 7:24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

He also teaches just previous to the quote here that the law is Spiritual. This goes completely against all who preach grace is in place of the law. If when the Holy Spirit enters into us we are made a new man, then we do by the Holy Spirit those things which are spiritual, the law is included here. We study the law so as not to err, but we live in grace. Praiseh Yahweh, amen.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Name one Christian on here who believes that sin is alright? The law doesn't teach you how to do good, pure inner motives do by the Spirit of God.

The Law points out sin, "yes you LIER, you MURDERER, you THIEF!!!!"

Then what? Ask the law to help you be obedient? "What do I do?"

The Law just says, "Just don't do it!"

Then what? Ask how? "How do I don't, I am having a hard time."

The Law just stares at you....

You guys don't understand that the law just points out sin, it doesn't teach you not to sin. It's not a double sign. It's a physical commandant, it's our part by the Holy Spirit to fill in its emptiness. That's when the law of God written on our hearts is in play. We aren't disobeying God, it's your misunderstanding for what we are teaching!

 

[john832]

Name one Christian on here who believes that sin is alright? The law doesn't teach you how to do good, pure inner motives do by the Spirit of God.

You really want someone to name names? I won't do that.

The Law points out sin, "yes you LIER, you MURDERER, you THIEF!!!!"

Then what? Ask the law to help you be obedient? "What do I do?"

The Law just says, "Just don't do it!"

Then what? Ask how? "How do I don't, I am having a hard time."

The Law just stares at you....

You guys don't understand that the law just points out sin, it doesn't teach you not to sin. It's not a double sign. It's a physical commandant, it's our part by the Holy Spirit to fill in its emptiness. That's when the law of God written on our hearts is in play. We aren't disobeying God, it's your misunderstanding for what we are teaching!

There is a lot of human reasoning going around but very little scripture...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? Cleanse me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless, And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

Psa 94:12 Blessed is the man whom You instruct, O LORD, And teach out of Your law,

David seemed to think he could learn a lot about righteousness from the Law...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

 

[Spokenpassage]

You really want someone to name names? I won't do that.



There is a lot of human reasoning going around but very little scripture...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? Cleanse me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless, And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

Psa 94:12 Blessed is the man whom You instruct, O LORD, And teach out of Your law,

David seemed to think he could learn a lot about righteousness from the Law...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

Haha, David, why are you using David as an example? If you don't understand what we are saying, then the interpretation of David won't be understood either. I could spend all night with you in scripture, but in the end you will reject them and throw them off as wrong interpretations anyways. David's delight in the law was something that helped him see God so much more than anyone did in his time. There is scripture (not to speak against the man of God) that specifically says certain feasts weren't celebrated with such joy and purity (as its interpreted by some) from Joshua to Nehemiah time.

 

[JaumeJ]

Many times in the Word, especially the Tanakh, when David is mentioned, it is actually a reference to our Messiah. David means Beloved or the Beloved. One need not be a linguist or scholar to see the ramifiactions.

With this in mind, the question, "Why are you quoting David" is just a bit perverse. Put the names and understanding in perspective.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Many times in the Word, especially the Tanakh, when David is mentioned, it is actually a reference to our Messiah. David means Beloved or the Beloved. One need not be a linguist or scholar to see the ramifiactions.

With this in mind, the question, "Why are you quoting David" is just a bit perverse. Put the names and understanding in perspective.

What's perverse? Me asking why he quoted something to defend his view? He has the right to ask the same if I did.

Give me scriptures that show David as Christ. I might have never known that to be honest...unless I missed it?

 

[JaumeJ]

Try reading the Old Testament. Most times after the physical King David when the Throne of David is mentioned it is refering to Yeshua. He is the Beloved. Perhaps you would do well in understanding what the Word says. As for David being Yeshua, you will never understand without the Light of the Holy Spirit. You will just see the English name, David. IK

 

[Spokenpassage]

Try reading the Old Testament. Most times after the physical King David when the Throne of David is mentioned it is refering to Yeshua. He is the Beloved. Perhaps you would do well in understanding what the Word says. As for David being Yeshua, you will never understand without the Light of the Holy Spirit. You will just see the English name, David. IK

I love the old testament stories. Especially David. Don't be quick to judge me as one who hasn't read the OT. Just please show me some scriptures that specifically says David, and its actually meaning Christ?

 

[JaumeJ]

After the manner in which you set yourself up as judge and jailer for Karrester you will do the same with me. I will place just two references to the eternal throne of David, and you will yet not uinderstand nor yield to the truth of the Word of Yahweh. There is only One Etrnal King. You admit in your post that you love the "stories" of the Old Testament, and now you judge the Old Testament as stories implicitely. I believe, while you are handing out medicines for others, you had better take your own temperature, because you are not well in your accusations of me, Karrester, and I am certain many others. Yeshua keep you here or send you far away but stop with your prosecutor, judge and jury routine with fellows in the Body of Yeshua. It is not the Way.



Isa 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Isa 16:5
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

I love the old testament stories. Especially David. Don't be quick to judge me as one who hasn't read the OT. Just please show me some scriptures that specifically says David, and its actually meaning Christ?

 

[Spokenpassage]

Hold up. She started judging Christians and the entire church. Calling everybody who doesn't believe what she believes as evil and wicked. That's an insult. Then I tried to talk to her about the law. Her reply was to "please spare me your lifeless words"

You overlook her posts because you agree with her isn't it?