God doesn't seem to really care.

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Do you have kids?
Saying that God shouldn't create because some people would choose to follow the devil into the Lake of fire prepared for him and his angels is preposterous.
I would say never being created is better than being in a "lake of fire"... So no, not really preposterous.
And no, i dont have kids and im never going to. If a god created us, im not gonna make the same mistake he did or just not care or whatever the reason was.
 

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Why...? that has a complicated answer. yes, i still struggle with the "faith" aspect. but there is more than that. its hard for me to explain it all... some things i'm not even sure how to explain... i'm sorry i can't just type everything out in one big perfect paragraph, but i am trying to convey my misgivings as best i know how...Also, just wanna point out that "many people" depends what you think of as many people. There are billions of people in the world so...
Personally I found three things that control people here on earth
1. what others think about me
2. What I think others think about me
3. What I think about myself

Now God changes that to freedom in that God has accepted me as I am and was, therefore it mattered not anymore of those three things that controlled my behavior
For God freed me from the physical traps in this world, to jusy Love regardless and listen to what Gods wants to be said
 

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You say its my choice to believe, like all i havta do is just choose it, like deciding on what shirt to wear. like its so simple and easy. And maybe it was/is for you. Maybe it even is for most people, i don't know. but i do know its not easy and simple for me... im not sure if there is something wrong with me or with others... but we seem to be different.
No not really, it is not easy to choose and is a very hard work to enter God's rest by belief.
Yet Sister no matter what a decision is a decision.
Have you ever made a decision that you stuck with such as quit smoking, and that decision is final?
So it is with deciding to believe God, and stick with it no matter what. And the enemy of God and friend with this world goes to bat and does its best to cause the new believer to not believe as is with you, just what I see Sister, no matter though God does just love you, It is what it is
Love you no matter what you decide, and this love presented to you is real because you have thew free choice to decide and are not a puppet.
You see if we never got free will, free choice, then we all would nothing more than puppets
So God knowing we did not decide to be born after the flesh here in this world our parents did.
So God sent his Son to redeem us in the Spirit of God, giving us a new way to see things in love

So John 3:16 stands true 100%
 
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You are absolutely right. One of my favorite movie lines is from Father Of The Bride, Keanue Reeve's character says something along the lines of "you have to have a license to drive, you have to have a license to cut hair, you even have to have a license to catch a fish, but any scum sucking butthole can be a parent". And it's very true. There are a whole lotta people out there having kids they have no 'right' to be having. As in, they are not right to raise kids.

Is God one of these parents? Well I could say no but you'd probably want more than just my word on that (dang). And I'm not one to quote a lot of chapter and verse, I abhor the verse wars that arise from it (altho everything we believe should be traceable back to scripture). It's actually worse than you think, He flat out tells us that if we accept our place as His children we are going to suffer for it. Why would a loving parent allow that? Well, because we're apart from Him at the moment, occupying a hostile land - much like a parent who allows their child to join up and go to Afghanistan to be blown up. They don't wish it upon their children, but they respect their children's right to choose how they live - and how they die. And if their child dies, do they regret ever having them? I've never met anyone who did.

And I don't agree that God's love can't be proven. It is proven every time I touch someone and speak a word of healing to them; it is proven every time I hand a bag of food to a homeless person, it is proven every time I come before God seeking miraculous things and miraculous things happen. See, that's what you need, is to not read or hear the words but see them in action. And that's what I pray for you; Lord, open this Young man's eyes, that he may see what it is he only hears at the present. Ephphatha!

Let me ask you this - do you wish you could just cease to exist, and see niether heaven or hell?
We are not simply talking about dying (which is bad enough) but also going to hell forever.

And well, sort of... now that i am really aware of my existence i don't want to cease to exist... but i do wish i was never even born. but, its too late to do anything about that... so now i have to deal with the system of life and death...
 

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Sorry, forgot to respond to this part earlier.

Well some abilities are impossible to gain... but lets say it can become possible for me to gain the "faith" ability, then i guess the question is: what can make it become possible?
God whom you know inside is calling you, that's who
 

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It was not my intention to "bait" anyone. My apologies...

Thank you and I am seeing the love you have and are perplexed, by the evil mall around tha tis trying to beset you away from be.lieving God. There are enough posts that prrove this to me and me hearing God say he loves you and all. Just waiting for a response of thanking and praising God in this unfathomable love he has for you as well as all.
Just not all are responding to this, rather they are of the flesh trying to create and build, and only to their demise, for others see the fruit of selfishness that is in them
I know of no man that can have two faces, one to the crowd, the other to self and those nearest them, with out eventually be pewrpl;exed as to which one is true. Thus there chance to change their mind and believe in the everlasting God
 
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When someone does evil and are out for themselves yet claim to be of God, is not the fruit identified, have you not experienced this, you said you were brought up in Church yes?
Yes, was raised in church, and many seemed hypocritical, but not all of them did.
 

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You don't havta be a christian to believe in the christian god. for example: some kinds of satanists believe in him.
I guess if one is "born again" they should be a loving person but apparantly even "born again" people can still struggle with sin.
Born again Sister is key and if one is, they just love God's way not man's
A tree is always identified by its fruit
So what fruit are you seeing is key to these supposed Satanists?
I am possessed myself, only with the Love I have recieved from God. I believe, that decision is final, therefore I received and see
Which is what God is trying to show you through his power not mine or man's. I trust you will see
 
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Yes and did God set it up this way or Adam and Eve who by free choice ate from the tree that they were told not to, because of the consequensces that would bring forth death.
Well, if god knew all that would hapoen ahead of time, then he planned it out. putting a plan into effect that would ultimately end up in lots of people going to hell, regardless of the reason.

Does not seem like any reason can justify that but never creating anything could be justified.
 

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I have been pondering for years.

Also, there are people who become christians and then leave christianity behind and join a different religion or become atheist or agnostic etc.
I guess you could simply excuse them as never being truly "born again" or "saved" but how do you know for sure?
Well Sister, guess what in all you just said is the people that cause and have caused division, being prejudice, again i tis not God doing this, it is free will choice
And many are born again and do not know it. They seen many of the so called Christians that are not, and left because of the dogmatic behaviors, in place of God's real unconditional love
Here is God's type of love that God I think has put in you and you are just maybe not seeing this?
You decide:
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:4-13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

When you read this are you convicted of not being good enough or convicted and love as God has just shown you, regardless of what others do or say?
Mostly that scripture is unfortunately used to convict and repent and be quilty
When God wants to put this type in you, me and all who beleive
You know, I see it in your posts not to cause conflicting arguments, you are truly seeking truth as What I am hearing God tell me. It truthfully is a tough love, trying to break through on the other side where safety is at with the creator of all.
We are taught things like never give up, do not wave the white flag, fight, fight and fight some more
When if one does raise their white flag and does concede the war to God, the fight is over and we are safe even in the midst of any troubles

John 16:33,.
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have over come the world.

We all, believers or not have troubles, but the ones that do believe can rest in the fact that Christ did overcome the world for us, to be content in all things good or bad, knowing we have a home in Heaven with God forever
I can't put what I just know in words, as you will one day by free choice never by force which you have experienced from others. Learn from this and be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove, which I see you are already, which tells me a lot
 
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Personally I found three things that control people here on earth
1. what others think about me
2. What I think others think about me
3. What I think about myself

Now God changes that to freedom in that God has accepted me as I am and was, therefore it mattered not anymore of those three things that controlled my behavior
For God freed me from the physical traps in this world, to jusy Love regardless and listen to what Gods wants to be said
Don't wanna make this sound like a "pity me sob story" type of thing but answering those things honestly:

1. I don't care what hardly anyone thinks about me. Though i do wish i felt like someone cared.
2. I don't think others really like me. not anyone. For the most part i dont care. Though i do wish i felt like someone liked me.
3. I don't like much about myself. hardly anything actually.

People can say they like me but i don't believe it cuz they don't prove it.

Well, if a god exists, it seems like he ignores me, so seems like he doesn't like me either. (if he exists) but i can't blame anyone, i do see myself as pretty pathetic and i don't like me much either. I wish i was better than i am.
 
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You can't see the air... but you can feel it. but i can't even feel a gods' presence.
I know you know something created all this here and now and beyond. Maybe that vacuum in your heart is not yet filled, but will be for God is showing God to you, just by the creation all around you
Love you
 

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You mean like meditation?
Call it what you like, it is all well with God, for bottom line if you just start with God just love you, you will see
There are many trying to be good enough and just can't, not until they see that God just love them just the way they are
I remember this took place with my oldest brother. He tried for years and did well, but just was not at peace, until he saw that God just love him and all. The peace shown through as a dazzling light from God. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! amazing it was and is.
He has gone to be with God since. And I say this. I welcome him to his new location with God safe and secure no more worries, sickness or anger. I personally have learned this to be true here in sickness and health it matters not.
I spent the last year in and out of the Hospital, praising God most of the way, got sidetracked for a little while, yet never stopped believing God, Can't I have survived too many deaths that should have been. the last only 7% survive Foreigners Gangrene. And I was ready to go whenever God says it is time. Bottom line I trust God not man
 

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We are not simply talking about dying (which is bad enough) but also going to hell forever.

And well, sort of... now that i am really aware of my existence i don't want to cease to exist... but i do wish i was never even born. but, its too late to do anything about that... so now i have to deal with the system of life and death...
Questioning whether or not God should have created all of this (and us) is kind of a moot point. Accepting that it’s already been done, let me posit this:

Suppose I built a posh resort for homeless people. All I asked for their free use of it is that they stop and say thanks to me on their way in the door. That's it, say thanks and you're in, tell me to eff off and you can go sit on the curb in the elements.

Am I really being evil to all those who chose to sit on the curb?


It may also depend on your view of what ‘hell’ is. God’s word tells us the world is made of things unseen, which describes the atom and it’s subatomic components. The interesting thing about the atom is that it’s nucleus is composed of like-charged particles, and orbiting that are like-charged particles. The laws of physics dictate that like charged particles repel each other, indicating the whole dang thing should just naturally come apart. But God says that all things are held together by Him (Hebrews 11:3; Col. 1:16). The Lord spoke this creation into existence, putting it together by His very Word (note the similarity of word/world). We are told that at the end of its existence the elements will melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12). Consider what happens when an atom is split - it creates intense heat and fire as the element is ripped out of existence. Could it be possible that when God speaks it out of existence, the resulting nuclear meltdown of all the created matter that now exists as our earth and heavens will create the lake of fire? Would it seem fitting that those who love this world more than Him would be given it, in its natural state apart from Him?


Well, if god knew all that would hapoen ahead of time, then he planned it out. putting a plan into effect that would ultimately end up in lots of people going to hell, regardless of the reason.

Does not seem like any reason can justify that but never creating anything could be justified.
Fore-knowlege is not pre-determination. Say I was up on a mountain overlooking a valley with railroad tracks running thru it. I see two trains enter the valley from each end heading towards each other. So I point at some place in the middle and say "if those trains don't stop they're going to collide right about there". The trains don't stop and collide just about where I had pointed to. Because I knew that would happen, does that mean I caused it to happen?
 

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Known as god... but do we really know god? one can believe they do, but belief and truth are two different things. like how people used to believe the world was flat (and many were 100% sure, but they were wrong)
Well, down to brass tacks, as a man thinks so is he period
We all Sister are designed this way. With emotions that decieve us from truth
Go to a scary movie and while watching it at some point do you get scared?
The movie is not real it is a movie, yet our emotions predictably respond to our thoughts that are in out minds at that time right?
So if one believes then what they beleive is truth is it not?
A woman in Matthew had medical problem, and she heard in herself all she needed to do is just touch Jesus' robe and she would be healed. She did this and she was healed.
Christ told her it was her belief, with no doubt in the way. Doubt is the culprit
Believe, receive and see, hard not easy at first, but that is my final answer as in who wants to be a millionaire
God just love you, and he is not God of this world.
 
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Born again Sister is key and if one is, they just love God's way not man's
A tree is always identified by its fruit
So what fruit are you seeing is key to these supposed Satanists?
I am possessed myself, only with the Love I have recieved from God. I believe, that decision is final, therefore I received and see
Which is what God is trying to show you through his power not mine or man's. I trust you will see
Well, ive watched a few satanists on youtube who talk about their beliefs... they seem like nice people. they are not the crazy "baby sacrifice" type of satanists... they say to not hurt others and try to help people. and to follow yourself and give youself credit. others do have a more "spiritual" thing they talk about... there are quite a few different types...

So if you were implying that satanists are all bad people and produce "bad fruit", thats not true. just depends on the type. dont judge people before you know them.

(hope its ok for me to say this here, im not trying to promote satanism, im just saying most are not bad people)
 

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What about people who never really intentionally hurt anyone and love and try to help others as much as possible but they are not christian?
Do they deserve/go to hell simply because they were not christian?
I find it hard to believe a loving god would be so petty. and i certainly hope thats not the case.
God is righteous in all, man not all are counted as righteous, and I know God will and does reach out to all. Man himself needs confirmation as you are to be a christian a Baptist a Mormon a Catholic and so on and so forth

God is beyond man's comprehension in love to you Sister.
Gos will always do what is right period
 

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So... to get close with your god he requires not only one to not hurt others but also discard certain things you do, even though the act of viewing or participating by choice, is ultimately harmless?
If what you do is harmless what is the problem, man's interpretation
God just love you just as you are and if you don't want to change then God won't love you any less
One Day a man was asked what if you found out your son is gay?
Answer just love him