God doesn't seem to really care.

Well my avatar is a guy, although could be mistaken for a girl... the pic in my signature is a girl... and my profile pic is a guy...

Just sayin lol

And many are born again and do not know it.

Yes, was raised in church, and many seemed hypocritical, but not all of them did.

Well, if god knew all that would hapoen ahead of time, then he planned it out. putting a plan into effect that would ultimately end up in lots of people going to hell, regardless of the reason.

Does not seem like any reason can justify that but never creating anything could be justified.

Questioning whether or not God should have created all of this (and us) is kind of a moot point. Accepting that it’s already been done, let me posit this:

Suppose I built a posh resort for homeless people. All I asked for their free use of it is that they stop and say thanks to me on their way in the door. That's it, say thanks and you're in, tell me to eff off and you can go sit on the curb in the elements.

Am I really being evil to all those who chose to sit on the curb?

It may also depend on your view of what ‘hell’ is. God’s word tells us the world is made of things unseen, which describes the atom and it’s subatomic components. The interesting thing about the atom is that it’s nucleus is composed of like-charged particles, and orbiting that are like-charged particles. The laws of physics dictate that like charged particles repel each other, indicating the whole dang thing should just naturally come apart. But God says that all things are held together by Him (Hebrews 11:3; Col. 1:16). The Lord spoke this creation into existence, putting it together by His very Word (note the similarity of word/world). We are told that at the end of its existence the elements will melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12). Consider what happens when an atom is split - it creates intense heat and fire as the element is ripped out of existence. Could it be possible that when God speaks it out of existence, the resulting nuclear meltdown of all the created matter that now exists as our earth and heavens will create the lake of fire? Would it seem fitting that those who love this world more than Him would be given it, in its natural state apart from Him?




Fore-knowlege is not pre-determination. Say I was up on a mountain overlooking a valley with railroad tracks running thru it. I see two trains enter the valley from each end heading towards each other. So I point at some place in the middle and say "if those trains don't stop they're going to collide right about there". The trains don't stop and collide just about where I had pointed to. Because I knew that would happen, does that mean I caused it to happen?

Don't wanna make this sound like a "pity me sob story" type of thing but answering those things honestly:

1. I don't care what hardly anyone thinks about me. Though i do wish i felt like someone cared.
2. I don't think others really like me. not anyone. For the most part i dont care. Though i do wish i felt like someone liked me.
3. I don't like much about myself. hardly anything actually.

People can say they like me but i don't believe it cuz they don't prove it.

Well, if a god exists, it seems like he ignores me, so seems like he doesn't like me either. (if he exists) but i can't blame anyone, i do see myself as pretty pathetic and i don't like me much either. I wish i was better than i am.

Well, ive watched a few satanists on youtube who talk about their beliefs... they seem like nice people. they are not the crazy "baby sacrifice" type of satanists... they say to not hurt others and try to help people. and to follow yourself and give youself credit. others do have a more "spiritual" thing they talk about... there are quite a few different types...

So if you were implying that satanists are all bad people and produce "bad fruit", thats not true. just depends on the type. dont judge people before you know them.

(hope its ok for me to say this here, im not trying to promote satanism, im just saying most are not bad people)

Well, down to brass tacks, as a man thinks so is he period
We all Sister are designed this way. With emotions that decieve us from truth
Go to a scary movie and while watching it at some point do you get scared?
The movie is not real it is a movie, yet our emotions predictably respond to our thoughts that are in out minds at that time right?
So if one believes then what they beleive is truth is it not?
A woman in Matthew had medical problem, and she heard in herself all she needed to do is just touch Jesus' robe and she would be healed. She did this and she was healed.
Christ told her it was her belief, with no doubt in the way. Doubt is the culprit
Believe, receive and see, hard not easy at first, but that is my final answer as in who wants to be a millionaire
God just love you, and he is not God of this world.

Yes, i did read your whole post and thanks for it. but wanted to ask about this: its possible to be "born again" and not know it??

Just cuz one believes something does not make it true... like you could believe that a scary movie poses a real threat to you... but it doesn't.

The hypocritical ones is that their decision? Did God cause this, do we not have free choice?
And if you did not have this you would be a robot would you not?

Do you think you are alone in that? Guarantee you are not
That is why I posted it, and that is not how God views you
And I do know how others have befriended me in the past saying they love me and they lied
that is the problem here in this world selfishness, and why God came to earth to save it
So Brother it is what it is, maybe it is time for yopu to change your mind and see this
Ephesians 1:6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Since we are accepted, why do we need to be accepted if we are already
And i am not going to say anything other than God just love you

I don't think I did, did I? I posted waht I believe and any others is between God and them not caring what the other claims. I am not God, so I did not make a judgmental claim. Yet somehow you read it that way, and I did not mean it that way at all. god will make that Judgment not me

the central thing here is whether God's love - specifically the God of Abraham & Isaac & Moses, manifest in Jesus Christ - can be proven genuine.

everywhere in the Bible when God's actions and/or intentions are questioned - not just Job, or Paul's eloquent argument in Romans 9, or Jonah, but also in the books of the prophets and implied in Ecclesiastes & the proverbs - in every case the answer given is "who is man to question God" -- it's called by men a philosophical "rabbit hole" to assert God's sovereignty, but this is the answer and the only answer that the scriptures give.

in pure concept, if there is 'god' than 'god' is infinitely beyond man in wisdom, capability, foresight, power and every virtue, or else how could we call him 'god' ? i take this reasoning. i accept it, even as i also wonder how & why it is that the world and life and the human condition came to be as it is. i really think that approaching 'god' with anything other than complete humility is foolish - he could squish me like a bug, erase me like a doodle, throw me away like a cigarette butt and there is no higher authority or justice i could appeal to other than 'god' himself, else he is not 'god.'
yeah, that's fear, and it is distasteful to mankind's nature to humble ourselves like that, especially before an ideological construct, but this is because our nature is proud - which the God of the bible calls sinful. pride is the original sin of Satan, and is #1 on the list of things God hates - above porn & murder and slamming someone into a locker. that this book says God hates pride more than anything else is in itself interesting..

but setting that aside - i think already most of what i've said here appeals to God being sovereign - how can a human be sure that divine love is genuine?

how do humans prove their love to one another?
imperfectly, for starters, haha.
but if i love a girl and i want to show her that - i might give her gifts. roses and chocolates and puppies! hasn't God done this for us too? we have sunsets and all the beauty of the earth, all the good food and the warm sunshine on our face, and guess who created puppies and kittens in the first place? the universe certainly didn't have to be this way. you can look at it as the anthropomorphic principle, but still, there it is, a universe full of beauty and wonder, and things that make us smile exist in it -- smiling exists.
if i love a girl i would be patient with her silliness - God too is patient; the same things we could say demonstrate His uncaring from a judgmental perspective demonstrate his patience from the perspective of faith. is he uncaring to let men go on doing wicked things without punishing them, or is He patient to give wicked men every opportunity to turn from their wicked ways? (are we even qualified to answer??)
if i love a girl i would put off my own plans to do the things she wants to do. here too, we could question God's character when we don't see what we could understand as his perfect will being carried out, or we could understand this as God allowing mankind to do their own thing - where the bible teaches that man's "own thing" is to do wickedness, that 'the heart is deceitfully wicked' - this again speaks of patience on God's part.
if i love a girl i would sacrifice myself for her. i would lay aside my own ideals, forgive her where she falls short of them to accept her, but hoping and working to patiently help her to enrich herself and become the best woman she can be. i would even die in her place, and leave her all my treasures. this is what Jesus has done.
if i chastise her, it would be like a father who fusses at his daughter, because he knows what is best. the way a daughter knows her father's fussing was from his love is that when she has grown old, she learns how her ways as a child were foolish and sees by experience that her father was urging her towards wisdom. while she is a child she cannot understand these things; she can only trust him. (yeah, here i am back at sovereignty again!)

i think we have to admit that cosmically we are children. God's love for us then must be like a father's love for a child, and that kind of love from a child's perspective isn't always clear. human children are finicky and selfish; when their fathers give them toys and candy and hugs, they don't doubt love. but 30 minutes later when they are fussed at for leaving their candy wrappers laying around or playing with their toys when they should have been finishing their homework, or told to eat their vegetables and to brush their teeth, children say their fathers are the 'worst parents ever.' obviously an outside observer will see that the child's judgement is founded on unwarranted pride and incomplete information, and children able to recognize that they are childishness and trust their fathers are able to understand in time the love their fathers show them.

Christ also calls the church His bride - and in the old testament God speaks of Israel as both His adopted daughter and as a wife he took in, who became a whore, but whom after justly punishing and cleansing her, He was willing against the prevailing worldly wisdom to take back. so His love is even more than a father to a child, but as a husband and a wife. this love we cannot understand until we accept His marriage proposal. the love between newlyweds or a couple wooing each other or engaged to be married isn't near the depth of the love a couple celebrating their 50th anniversary share. all the doubt and confusion and amazement of the early years turns into trust & unspeakable understanding & thankfulness as time passes by. so too with God and man, taking the initial steps requires faith & is done with trepidation and anticipation, and looking back through hard times and stress, we wouldn't trade it for the world.

He can give you everything you want in life, provided that you seek and worship Him, accordingly.

So... you're saying you will only show mercy to people who express thanks towards you for it? You should not let people people starve, regardless of wether they are thankful towards you or not...

And its not fair in the least to give people "the world they want" when its no longer what they wanted. Thats like if someone wants a tv but you burn it into ashes first and then give it to them...

Well you were just an observer. but if you created those two trains knowing they would only crash, well that doesn't seem right...

Oh, and its not a moot point if you're trying to determine if god is trustable. Though, that may be impossible to determine. Key words: may be. or i guess it probably is impossible. but there is a chance its not. and its that chance im trying to go for.

So then you see the point of the war of emotions that mislead and truth that sets it straight
Look at a train, the engine is in front right and the caboose is at the end right? Would it make sense for the caboose to run the train? So the engine is truth and the caboose is emotions