Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

[john832]

[SUP]Matthew18 [/SUP]For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook will pass from the Law until all things are accomplished.


Has the earth and sky passed away/perished???


We can always find an excuse not to obey, we can find many excuses that seem right to us. But there is one reason to obey. Love.

Forever means forever.

"Don't tell me what to do." Seems to be the heart of man, doesn't it? God says to do something and man says I don't want to so I won't. God says not to do something and man says I'm gonna do this whether you like it or not. "Don't tell me what to do."

 

[john832]

Actually, the thread title is a misnomer, God doesn't hat unclean animals, He created them. He just created them for a purpose and that purpose is not to put them into our mouths.

 

[MarkMulder]

Funny how you both missed the most importent word in v. 17: "fulfill."
Only in Jesus the true meaning of the Law became clear,
there's no reason for us Christians to interpret it as the Jews do.

 

[john832]

Funny how you both missed the most importent word in v. 17: "fulfill."
Only in Jesus the true meaning of the Law became clear,
there's no reason for us Christians to interpret it as the Jews do.

Funny how you think the true meaning of the Law is "it doesn't appy to me".

 

[MarkMulder]

Funny how you think the true meaning of the Law is "it doesn't appy to me".

That's not funny, that's what makes me a Christian. (helloooo?)

 

[john832]

That's not funny, that's what makes me a Christian. (helloooo?)

What makes you a Christian is being Lawless?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
Mat 13:37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
Mat 13:42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I wouldn't go around boasting about it.

 

[MarkMulder]

What makes you a Christian is being Lawless?

I'm just gonna refer to the things I said earlier.
Your quotes are completely off topic btw, unless they're about you and other judaizers.

 

[parablepete]

I haven't read the other post but, this is what I think about the title.

1 Tim. 4: [SUP]1[/SUP]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[SUP]2[/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3[/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4[/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5[/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

 

[john832]

I haven't read the other post but, this is what I think about the title.

1 Tim. 4: [SUP]1[/SUP]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[SUP]2[/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3[/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4[/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5[/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

And verse 3 says...

1Ti 4:3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

And verse 5 says...

1Ti 4:5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Now where do we find the information about meats that were CREATED to be received and SET APART (sanctified) by the Word of God?

Lev 11 and Deut 14

Since you didn't bother to read the thread, I'll repeat this example for you. Here is what happens when you selectively read certain verses...

Mat 27:5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Luk 10:37 And he said, "He who showed mercy on him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

Joh 13:27 Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly."

So the bible says to go quickly and hang yourself?

 

[MarkMulder]

Since you didn't bother to read the thread, I'll repeat this example for you. Here is what happens when you selectively read certain verses...

Lol. You do the same, jumping from one gospel to another.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And Christ went on to say...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

[crossnote]

Well, as a missionary, if the local custom was wife swapping, would you offend the newly enquiring by refusing? You gotta stand for somethin' or you'll fall for anything. - Aaron Tippin

That's apples and oranges. The Scriptures teach us to eat WHATEVER is offered us without scruples but does not allow for wife swapping.

 

[crossnote]

Nightshade mushrooms? How about giant cane toad or poison dart frog?

Again, common sense would say no. Try again. Such lame arguments.

 

[nathan3]

I haven't read the other post but, this is what I think about the title.

1 Tim. 4: [SUP]1[/SUP]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[SUP]2[/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3[/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4[/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5[/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Kinda funny, how some of the posts, are teaching people to abstain from the meats God gave """""to be received """"" , instead they teach people not, to abstain from the meats God created Not, to be received.

I commented that in my other posts.
They teaching to do what God said not to do, and they restrict people from obeying God's commandments about the food laws, which are meant for our good health. It's not a Jewish teaching its God's teaching in His words..

 

[crossnote]

I answered Mark 7 here...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-eat-what-god-hates-but-why.html#post1397409

Please note that the subject was eating BREAD made from grain. There is nothing in Mark 7 about clean and unclean except this...

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

So today, people lay aside the Commandments of God to keep the dietary traditions they wish to keep. God's Commands are to eat that which is clean.

Then you are denying the inspired commentary at the end of verse 19?

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)
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Pots and pans don't enter a man, obviously this is food He is talking about.

Mark 7:14-15 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
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Now let's look at what truly defiles a man (besides these petty arguments about food)...

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

 

[crossnote]

I think it rather funny that the legalistic judaizers are taking a similar position as the replacement theologians do by denying any dispensation of sorts.The only difference is that the replacemment people want to make everything the church and the judaizers want everything Judaism, especially Levitical Judaism.
Here is my 2¢ ...

Galatians 5:1, 13, 18, 22-23 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[nathan3]

I think it rather funny that the legalistic judaizers are taking a similar position as the replacement theologians do by denying any dispensation of sorts.The only difference is that the replacemment people want to make everything the church and the judaizers want everything Judaism, especially Levitical Judaism.
Here is my 2¢ ...

Galatians 5:1, 13, 18, 22-23 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The thing about Galatians is Paul is not addressing God's food laws, Paul is taking there about the old covenant of the circumcision; laws of blood letting, to forgive sins ,


Galatians 5:2 "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."



Also, the Jews, did not dream up God's health laws. God gave those laws to Moses. People are kinda mixing also, Jews with Judah, not realizing these are two different groups of people. The Jews did not follow God's laws for the most part. The tribe of Judah did, as well as the other tribes of Israel . The Jews ( residents of that area ) took over the priesthood, that is taught in God's word ( Ezra and Nehemiah , among other places ) , in the old testament, and by the time Christ came along, they were in full control.

That is why Christ would say "" they sit in the seat of Moses". But He knew they were not of Moses. He called them hypocrites and children of the devil.

 

[crossnote]

The thing about Galatians is Paul is not addressing God's food laws, Paul is taking there about the old covenant of the circumcision; laws of blood letting, to forgive sins ,


Galatians 5:2 "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."



Also, the Jews, did not dream up God's health laws. God gave those laws to Moses. People are kinda mixing also, Jews with Judah, not realizing these are two different groups of people. The Jews did not follow God's laws for the most part. The tribe of Judah did, as well as the other tribes of Israel . The Jews ( residents of that area ) took over the priesthood, that is taught in God's word, in the old testament, and by the time Christ came along, they were in full control.

same principle.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[nathan3]

same principle.

Honestly that is too vague for my tastes , when we can know, how the Bible is so precise .

 

[crossnote]

Honestly that is too vague for my tastes , when we can know, how the Bible is so precise .

Reread....

 

[john832]

Reread....

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

OK, read it. It says not to let anyone judge you for keeping them because they are a shadow of future events. Now as far as let no man judge you (in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come) but the body of Christ, it says...

Let no man therefore judge you but the body of Christ.

The word is is italicized. Means it wasn't in the original.