Do Christians who commit suicide go to Heaven?
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..i didnt mean for it to come out like i condone the act no way ..just sometimes there are circumstances when a situation isnt cut and dry , thats all
B
So with that logic, if someone lusts after a woman, and commits adultry (because lust is adultry from the words of Christ) and dies in a car accident before they can repent are they in hell? If the blood of Christ only covers the sins that are past we're all in serious trouble, because we would have lost our salvation the first day we were saved when we sinned, because Christ cannot be reoffered for sin (Hebrews 6:6) . As for your reference to Hebrews, the background is the defiant sin of Numbers 15:30-31 for which there was no propitiatory offering. If a person rejects the truth of Christ's death for sin, there is no other sacrifice for sin available and no other way to come to God. Only judgment remains (Hebrews 10:27). As for your references to I John, we should obey the commandments of God, but if we mess up, we have a proptiation in Jesus Christ (I John 2:2)
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So, dude, what happens if a guy is walking down the street, sees a girl, then lusts after her? But!, before he can repent, he gets hit by a semi-trailer.
Heaven or hell?
And, to cut to the chase, what Christian doesn't continue to sin after salvation? I know YOU do. Because I do, Paul did, and the Pope does. What you're not doing is differentiating between living a lifestyle steeped in sin, and committing a sinful act.
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Heaven or hell?
And, to cut to the chase, what Christian doesn't continue to sin after salvation? I know YOU do. Because I do, Paul did, and the Pope does. What you're not doing is differentiating between living a lifestyle steeped in sin, and committing a sinful act.
- Christopher
O
I agree with Merry, but I would also say that we are assuming that when someone commits suicide they are dead instantly and that is often not the case. You don't know what happens to someone in their final moments. I have to assume that there are those on the "brink" of death, who realize their mistake and cry out to the Lord to save and forgive them. How many people leave suicide notes begging God and their loved ones to forgive them? Does God see, does He hear their cry? The bottom line is - we really don't know what happens to anyone Christian or non-Christian alike in those final moments. Only God knows their heart.
N
Hold on. I was referring to Judas Iscariot, whom the bible clearly labels as a betrayer and Jesus, in His own words, foretold Judas' fate in Hell. By no means was I commenting on the issue of eternal security HOWEVER since the subject was brought up, let's dig into this Judas thing a little further...
Now Judas was there to witness several of Christ's teaching and miracles. Judas was among the twelve that Jesus dispatched in two to go throughout the land and preach the gospel and lay hands on the sick and cast out devils. It could be argued that Judas was indeed a believer, at least at one time, yet Jesus foretells Judas' fate as one that you want no part of.
Anyone care to tackle that one?
Now Judas was there to witness several of Christ's teaching and miracles. Judas was among the twelve that Jesus dispatched in two to go throughout the land and preach the gospel and lay hands on the sick and cast out devils. It could be argued that Judas was indeed a believer, at least at one time, yet Jesus foretells Judas' fate as one that you want no part of.
Anyone care to tackle that one?
N
You guys are blowing the issue of backsliding way out of proportion. Backsliding isn't so much an issue of one"losing" his salvation over a mere slip up as you all have alluded to. However, backsliding is an issue of one forfeiting his salvation by allowing his heart to turn away from God for whatever reason and blatantly refusing to repent despite the fact that this person knows his soul could be in jeopardy. I've seen this actually happen with my own eyes.
B
If you could lose eternal life, then it wasn't very eternal was it? If you don't do anything to earn your salvation, and the Christian life is about abiding in Christ, how can someones works cause them to lose it? It's illogical and not possible. I think what many people call "backslidden Christians" are people who were never saved to begin with, whom Jesus never knew.
N
To be honest with you, I never considered him to be a believer either. Jesus was obviously well aware of the betrayal. The reason I originally brought Judas up was because I felt it was important to mention that yes even Judas could have been forgiven if He had not committed suicide.
However, Judas' possible participation in the disciples activities does raise some interesting questions.
However, Judas' possible participation in the disciples activities does raise some interesting questions.
O
I fi murder someone and then repent for it before my death God will forgive me. However if I murder someone and then refuse to repent , then die, I will have to answer for my sin. Therefore your examples do not equate since David, and Moses both repented before their deaths. No where in the Bible does it say the sin we commit tommorow is already forgiven even if we do not ever repent of it. That is a Baptist false doctrine (which of course you believe being baptist) but it is false an unbiblical.
O
Anyone who continues in unrepentant sin after ''salvation'' will end up in hell. OSAS is a lie from satan.. If you finish 1st John 2:2 it goes on to say that Jesus is not just the propitiation for our sins but also the sins of the whole world, under you logic that means all people that ever live will go to heaven. Are you an universalist?
B
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
B
One who continues in unrepentent sin after salvation was never saved to begin with and will thus end up in hill. As I said, if we could lose eternal life, which we can't, then it's not very eternal is it? And how can someone be unborn? Good luck explaining that! The sacrifice of Christ is sufficient for all man, but only efficient for those who believe.
B
Yes you will answer for your sin, we all will. Forgiveness isn't a license to sin. It is a promise that we can be restored after we miss the mark. As for your attacking statements on Baptistic doctrine, I'll be a bigger person and just ignore it, I'm not gonna waste my time getting into a petty argument. Be more mature; debate the topic, don't attack a person.
N
I tend to agree with this assessment however I approach it from another angle. Please keep in mind that I don't believe one can involuntarily lose one's salvation but that it can be willingly forfeited.
My problem with the doctrine isn't so much the package, it's the presentation. I know far too many people who clearly have no idea what it means to truly be saved, claim that they are saved even though they are currently living in fornication, committing adultery, abusing drugs, etc. However, despite theirobvious misgivings, they are absolutely convinced that they are saved because at some point in time in their life they repeated the sinners prayer and were baptized in water.
The sad part is when I have approached friends and coworkers who I believe are sincere about their salvation who share your point of view, I ask them about these folks who are obviously deceived and I get the some cold and uncompassionate response: "They're not saved." However when you ask them if they're concerned about these people I get the ussual "Why? You can't tell them nothing."
Which is true, you can't tell them anything because they have already put their trust in a doctrine which clearly has bad fruit.
N
I hope and pray that you don't not take my enquirees as being a personal attack. That not my intention at all. Personally I would love to sit down and discuss (not debate) this issue with someone face to face in a brotherly manner in oder to get a better understanding of each other's point of view.
Although I am a continuationist, I live in North Carolina where the Baptist faith is prevalent and would like to familiarize with the Baptist belief system as well as the Methodist belief system in the hopes that we can work together to win souls without stepping all over eachothers toes because of doctrinal differences.
Although I am a continuationist, I live in North Carolina where the Baptist faith is prevalent and would like to familiarize with the Baptist belief system as well as the Methodist belief system in the hopes that we can work together to win souls without stepping all over eachothers toes because of doctrinal differences.
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