Is Suicide a Sin.....

[RickyZ]

I knew a man a while back who was angry with God; he and his lifelong girlfriend had been on the fence about Christ for some time. She died suddenly and he was angry that God had taken her before she/they had had a chance 'to decide'. One night as I was praying for him, and her, I got a vision of these angels, one after another after another, rushing into something I could only describe as a tunnel or a cave. I was lead to contemplate her salvation as I watched a multitude of them rush in.

The next time I talked to him, I asked him how she had died. He said it was a car wreck under a freeway overpass.

I told him to not be so certain that she was undecided and in hell...

I pray for you, you are in a tough but unfortunately not uncommon situation. But you hear the Spirit and you are here (a great place to be) and that's a good sign. May God give you peace and strength, may the Holy Spirit gift you with healing and wisdom, and lead you from here.

God Bless

 

[TaylorTG]

The 5th commandment --> Thou shalt not kill.

Why wouldn't that commandment apply to yourself?

 

[Pappy]

That ill never do Taylor as im fighting a battle back to the Lord. God Bless you and your Family ......

 

[TaylorTG]

@Pappy

That ill never do Taylor as I'm fighting a battle back to the Lord. God Bless you and your Family ......

Thanks for asking God to bless me and my family. I appreciate it.

All right, I'll need to bless you back somehow. Hmm.. I wouldn't want to say "God bless you"; too many peeps already use that.

God..umm.. *googles synonyms for the word 'Bless'*

God baptize you, oh.. you already are.. God exalt you, wait.. that doesn't suit you, you don't deserve to be exalted, especially by God himself!

God glorify you, hmm.. same as above.. God sacrifice you. wait.. that's not right, and certainly isn't a synonym for 'bless'.


God curse you, oh wait.. that's an antonym!

Alright, I got a good one. May God invoke benefits to you.. nah that's stupid..

OKAY I got one: 'May God smooth your heart.' That seems nice enough.

May God smooth your heart, Pappy.

 

[reject-tech]

My son took his life almost seven years ago.

My dad also.

Is He walking with angels

They are "asleep" in the grave, and will be resurrected into a glorified human body in a fixed earth.

is this a major sin???

Of course. But it was destined to be forgiven before he ever did it.
Jesus informed people that their sins are forgiven, when they didn't have anything but earthly comfort on their minds.
This is the reason for us to stop sin, to honor God's forgiveness and not abuse it, not to gain status or entry into an ancient pagan concept of "heaven"

Please leave comment on all religions view. What you post will not hurt just want to know where he might be at....And Thank you...God bless....

You will see him again and everything will be fixed. No other "gospel" is "good news", run from the inner abomination that causes inner and outward desolation.

To be "saved" isn't from what religion teaches. To be saved is to know that everyone else makes it through in the end.

This truth is the only gospel that can set you free.
Isn't it?

 

[phil112]

@Pappy

Thanks for asking God to bless me and my family. I appreciate it.

All right, I'll need to bless you back somehow. Hmm.. I wouldn't want to say "God bless you"; too many peeps already use that.

God..umm.. *googles synonyms for the word 'Bless'*

God baptize you, oh.. you already are.. God exalt you, wait.. that doesn't suit you, you don't deserve to be exalted, especially by God himself!

God glorify you, hmm.. same as above.. God sacrifice you. wait.. that's not right, and certainly isn't a synonym for 'bless'.


God curse you, oh wait.. that's an antonym!

Alright, I got a good one. May God invoke benefits to you.. nah that's stupid..

OKAY I got one: 'May God smooth your heart.' That seems nice enough.

May God smooth your heart, Pappy.

Do you even hear the words that come out of your mouth?

 

[thecreationtutor]

That ill never do Taylor as im fighting a battle back to the Lord. God Bless you and your Family ......

Pappy, don't let children's answers deter you away - keep pursuing the peace of Knowing the Lord and being known by Him. Ignore the insensitive christian that is blinded by his/her own pride and seeks not to edify you, pursue compassion, with grace and truth.

Especially when pride goes before destruction - and they do not take care lest they fall - and when that person falls - great will be that fall

 

[NightRevan]

Hi Pappy,

For what is worth (which I know is always a hollow statement coming from a stranger) you have my deepest sympathy, and my heart goes out to the pain you suffered, I know how the loss of my nephew affected my brother 17 years ago, and he has never really recovered from it. So I do hope and pray that God continues bring you through this and continues to heal and restore your broken heart, and lets you know His constant Presence and saving Hand on your life, holding you, grieving with you, and reading to bear this terrible burden.

As to the question at hand, well first off no one is in 'hell' right now, the final judgement will occur at the end of this age, and I first off believe the statement that God judges people by the light is to be taken as a positive statement, meaning that those who have been faithful to that will be brought by the resurrection to see that Jesus what the Truth they were seeking, and will see and embrace the target of the faith. But your son seems to have had a faith in the Lord, so my opinion is he is fine, and is resting with Jesus awaiting the resurrection, after all your son was suffering it seems from depression and many afflictions and pressures that this age brings and hurts people with. He was hardly thinking in a clear and rational way in his choices, and wasn't able to see a way out of his situation, the enemy filling his mind with deceptions. So his was hardly a either a clear decision, or at any time during it was he rejecting Jesus, His life and freeing rule, he was terribly deceived and confused at the time, after all, if one of us in depression lashed out at someone in anger and suddenly got killed would we be then damned because we didn't confess that one sin O_O ? That's crazy, even more, well all have sin, and the one who says he doesn't is a liar and the truth isn't in him, so God is continually at work, to repair and renew us in a work that will only be completed at the resurrection, only then will be be free of sin and fully the human being God intended us to be. So this logic would see us all damned O_O, but that is, thank God (and I mean that with every fibre of my being), not true, rather that verdict is brought forward when we believe on Him and the declaring that we are justified that we will hear then is brought forward from that future into the present, and we know we are free. When Jesus said 'It is finished!' in victory, it is finished, sin and evil has no hold on us, and has no hold on your son, God will bring through this, and will delver him from this evil just like He will deliver us from our sins and evil, they are not great then God. And this one act can and will not defeat God's hold on your son, and will not defeat His love for you son, He will bring Him through this, and you will seem him again.

I truly hope God brings you peace, and shines his love in your heart, be blessed and I hope your heart and life sees His love more and more. Sometimes the cross we have to bear is truly a hard one, but He enables us, and He carries it with us.

God bless and take care

(also, I won't respond to others on this issue, I understand many will disagree with me, but no something like this, I don't wish to enter into debates with, as my feelings would run high, and I do wish to always be loving towards my brothers and sister in the Messiah, so God bless you even though we disagree and let us just bear with each other).

 

[Toska]

Thank you for all comments…I knew there would be a lot of different views on this and was prepared for positive and negative. I wouldn’t have asked if I didn’t think God knew I was ready for this. Is part of me healing after all this time. My son was Lutheran on his mom’s side. He was 21 and was well educated drank some beer with friends once in a while but other than that no other substance was involved. I know this because we were really close and we were best friends. We had a bond as I was a kid of 18 when I had him.
When he took his life he had a lot going on. His best friend was going back to Afghanistan after almost losing his life on pervious tour. His girlfriend told him she was pregnant twice and wasn’t. He was in a world of confusion on Native American ways and modern day religion.
One day before this happened he asked me if God forgives all sins against him. I told him did you forget all you learned in church son????
He didn’t laugh and I knew something was wrong. I thought he might have stolen a friends game are iPod or money or something. I talked to him for about 10 minutes trying to get to the core of the problem and his cell rang and said he had to go that his girlfriend was in a trouble and left. That night I called and called just to get his voicemail. Was I worried yes but had no clue what would happen. I prayed that night as usual and went to sleep thinking all would be ok.
When I found out I lost it my world was turned upside down. I hated God every bible saying everything that had to do with Christian way of life. For seven years I cursed God and lived a life without him in it. Then about three weeks ago I had over powering presence of God and my son close to me. It freaked me out. I told God leave me alone I don’t want you in my life. But that presence kept coming back I started losing sleep over it and started feeling bad for the things I said about God. I opened the Bible for the first time in seven years and started reading it. Then I thought I’m not ready to see face to face about this and got on the internet for some guidance and type in Christian chat and this site come up. I have met some good people here in that time and I’m thankful for them I hope I never lose them.
I know God is Holding me and protecting as I have to face this all over again but this time with the Lord at my side.
My thoughts on suicide are very deep and complex and God is helping me with them as is family. I do not believe God would take my son for me to suffer or make me weak. God has a plan for me and as stubborn as I’m he will continue to help me. If his plan was to take my child I must live with that decision and not be mad, but happy that god is holding my son and they both watch over me every day. This is my thoughts only….. Once again thank all for being honest …God Bless you all ..

Pappy, I am so sorry for your loss and the struggle you have endured. I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story with us. I am so, so glad that God led you here. It brings tears to my eyes knowing that you are finding your way back to Him. Don't give up, He will help you through. And, now you have us for friendship, support, and fellowship.

God Bless.

 

[homwardbound]

My son took his life almost seven years ago. Is He walking with angels are is this a major sin??? Please leave comment on all religions view. What you post will not hurt just want to know where he might be at....And Thank you...God bless....

If he believed he is with God safe and secure. My Sister died on overdose at 18, and I God has got her safe and secure. Why? Because God is Faithful, so deep and loving, caring, Merciful that he sent his son to be our savior And John 3:16 applies. God is not a tyrant, never had been, never will be, God just wants us to know God loves you so much that he had his Son sacrificed for you and all the world.
Now that is love beyond measure and surely is not earned

 

[homwardbound]

Well I'm glad you're so certain that you, among all the christians who have felt despair, do not feel it and will not ever let it overcome you. You are truly the chosen minority. Well done.

We all are called and few find it all the way through, God is Faithful, we the people are not. God does just love us all, no matter and desires for us to respond and quit the creating of all the scenarios man creates in unbelief, trying to ultimately please himself over others being hurt in the process. It is the Mercy, that is each of us need to receive and be anew in God trusting God to do the living through us and be walking as Christ walked in total dependance on Father. Now that is the legacy

 

[Jhana]

The 5th commandment --> Thou shalt not kill.

Why wouldn't that commandment apply to yourself?

And to use that logic, why wouldn't it apply to animals, birds, insects, trees, plants, or even thoughts?

While there may be a commandment against killing, the fact that the commandment exists says nothing about whether killing oneself is an automatic road to hell. That's like saying that having coveted your neighbour's beautiful wife five minutes before death is an automatic sentence to hell.

People do make mistakes and trip up, it's part of life. There isn't one person on this Earth alive today who doesn't trip up or let the world bring them down sometimes.

There exists a command to have compassion on your neighbor, yet people fall short of it every day. Case in point, the horribly misanthropic responses by some people on this thread.

 

[dcontroversal]

Don't be so quick to jump.... have you forgotten "with God all things are possible"? That"my grace is sufficient for you"? We stand 'cause 'He is able to make us stand' (Rom14:4,Philippians 4:12-13).


As far as I can remember, there were no christian jews fighting alongside of old covenant jews at Masada. Heroism outside of the true love of Christ is nothing (1Cor 13:1-3).

Wasn't my point and only God can judge who is or who was not a child of God...

 

[parablepete]

Thank you for all comments…I knew there would be a lot of different views on this and was prepared for positive and negative. I wouldn’t have asked if I didn’t think God knew I was ready for this. Is part of me healing after all this time. My son was Lutheran on his mom’s side. He was 21 and was well educated drank some beer with friends once in a while but other than that no other substance was involved. I know this because we were really close and we were best friends. We had a bond as I was a kid of 18 when I had him.
When he took his life he had a lot going on. His best friend was going back to Afghanistan after almost losing his life on pervious tour. His girlfriend told him she was pregnant twice and wasn’t. He was in a world of confusion on Native American ways and modern day religion.
One day before this happened he asked me if God forgives all sins against him. I told him did you forget all you learned in church son????
He didn’t laugh and I knew something was wrong. I thought he might have stolen a friends game are iPod or money or something. I talked to him for about 10 minutes trying to get to the core of the problem and his cell rang and said he had to go that his girlfriend was in a trouble and left. That night I called and called just to get his voicemail. Was I worried yes but had no clue what would happen. I prayed that night as usual and went to sleep thinking all would be ok.
When I found out I lost it my world was turned upside down. I hated God every bible saying everything that had to do with Christian way of life. For seven years I cursed God and lived a life without him in it. Then about three weeks ago I had over powering presence of God and my son close to me. It freaked me out. I told God leave me alone I don’t want you in my life. But that presence kept coming back I started losing sleep over it and started feeling bad for the things I said about God. I opened the Bible for the first time in seven years and started reading it. Then I thought I’m not ready to see face to face about this and got on the internet for some guidance and type in Christian chat and this site come up. I have met some good people here in that time and I’m thankful for them I hope I never lose them.
I know God is Holding me and protecting as I have to face this all over again but this time with the Lord at my side.
My thoughts on suicide are very deep and complex and God is helping me with them as is family. I do not believe God would take my son for me to suffer or make me weak. God has a plan for me and as stubborn as I’m he will continue to help me. If his plan was to take my child I must live with that decision and not be mad, but happy that god is holding my son and they both watch over me every day. This is my thoughts only….. Once again thank all for being honest …God Bless you all ..

Your Post touched my heart, brought tears to my eyes. I was always told that suicide was a sin and you have no chance to repent, no sin will enter heaven. However, we do have bible record of where the person, IF HE IS IN HELL, he would not want you to come there. We do have a mercyful God and we are not the Judge. I believe this thought has saved many from this very act. This is a REAL problem today. It doesn't seem to hard for kids to pull the trigger and take other with them. We live in some scary times. We must have a hope of living, a future, Hope of Heaven.

Our childern need to know they are loved, really loved, if they get with child, they need to know its not the end of the world. The same for being raped. However, there are so many DEEP problems with fathers molesting their own kids. Drugs, there are so many things to watch for. For me this is a REALLY good subject. It is and important subject. you can tell from some of the post here.

Christians are the Light of the world. We need to act responsiable Love everyone, tell them the Truth. I wish I had all the right words to use to make all hurt go away. The Bible does, its has the words of life.

Pappy, you seem like a great guy. Why, this happened to you is behon me. Buy the Truth and Sell it Not. Study hard, Love your fellow man. Think of Good memories with your son. Put any negitive things behind you. I can say with all confidenance that is what your son would want.

I have done the best I can to help. I feel this is a pesonal and important post for anyone in the future to see.

Love, PP

 

[TaylorTG]

@Jhana

And to use that logic, why wouldn't it apply to animals, birds, insects, trees, plants, or even thoughts?

*Scratches head*

People do make mistakes and trip up, it's part of life. There isn't one person on this Earth alive today who doesn't trip up or let the world bring them down sometimes.

Hmm... would that seriously justify a beautiful human being, crafted by God's hands, murdering himself/herself just because he/she hates his/her life?

We shouldn't care if we are feeling depressed or sad. Look at the bigger picture, people. God has a plan for all of us, and we're be screwing both him and us if we decide to try and "escape life".

Remember how much pain our mothers had to go through just to get us out of their bodies? Ouch! Throwing yourself into a knife blade just because you feel "depressed" and "lonely" is the ultimate act of disrespect to your own parents and shows them how ungrateful you are to them for their entire lives being dedicated to making sure you're fed, educated, and housed.



Bullied at school? --> Talk to the staff!
Feeling down and depressed? --> Where is your family?
Boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with you? --> So what?
Don't like life? --> Deal with it.
Don't think anyone loves you? --> You're lying to yourself.
You confused? --> Pray.



God, people. We all get only a century to live on this Planet. 100 years isn't that long. Just enjoy the limited amount of time we're spend here.
Key to Happiness | Self Acceptance | Expression of Love | Avoid Self Help Goals

Case in point, the horribly misanthropic responses by some people on this thread.

Deal with it. There's nothing wrong with being direct.

 

[thecreationtutor]

@Jhana

*Scratches head*



Hmm... would that seriously justify a beautiful human being, crafted by God's hands, murdering himself/herself just because he/she hates his/her life?

We shouldn't care if we are feeling depressed or sad. Look at the bigger picture, people. God has a plan for all of us, and we're be screwing both him and us if we decide to try and "escape life".

Remember how much pain our mothers had to go through just to get us out of their bodies? Ouch! Throwing yourself into a knife blade just because you feel "depressed" and "lonely" is the ultimate act of disrespect to your own parents and shows them how ungrateful you are to them for their entire lives being dedicated to making sure you're fed, educated, and housed.



Bullied at school? --> Talk to the staff!
Feeling down and depressed? --> Where is your family?
Boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with you? --> So what?
Don't like life? --> Deal with it.
Don't think anyone loves you? --> You're lying to yourself.
You confused? --> Pray.



God, people. We all get only a century to live on this Planet. 100 years isn't that long. Just enjoy the limited amount of time we're spend here.
Key to Happiness | Self Acceptance | Expression of Love | Avoid Self Help Goals





Deal with it. There's nothing wrong with being direct.

It's not just what you do, it's how you do it. You can be right, and have a wrong attitude, and still be wrong. Out of the heart a man speaks. The Law kills, but the Spirit gives life

 

[Toska]

@Jhana

*Scratches head*



Hmm... would that seriously justify a beautiful human being, crafted by God's hands, murdering himself/herself just because he/she hates his/her life?

We shouldn't care if we are feeling depressed or sad. Look at the bigger picture, people. God has a plan for all of us, and we're be screwing both him and us if we decide to try and "escape life".

Remember how much pain our mothers had to go through just to get us out of their bodies? Ouch! Throwing yourself into a knife blade just because you feel "depressed" and "lonely" is the ultimate act of disrespect to your own parents and shows them how ungrateful you are to them for their entire lives being dedicated to making sure you're fed, educated, and housed.



Bullied at school? --> Talk to the staff!
Feeling down and depressed? --> Where is your family?
Boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with you? --> So what?
Don't like life? --> Deal with it.
Don't think anyone loves you? --> You're lying to yourself.
You confused? --> Pray.



God, people. We all get only a century to live on this Planet. 100 years isn't that long. Just enjoy the limited amount of time we're spend here.
Key to Happiness | Self Acceptance | Expression of Love | Avoid Self Help Goals





Deal with it. There's nothing wrong with being direct.

You are right, there is nothing wrong with being direct. But, your delivery could really use some work. Do you not have any sympathy at all? If you were hurting and posted about it, would you not expect us to treat you with care and compassion? What happened to treating others the way you want to be treated? Please, take just a second and read what you have written before you post it. If those same words would be hurtful to you (or someone you love), don't post them.

 

[thecreationtutor]

You are right, there is nothing wrong with being direct. But, your delivery could really use some work. Do you not have any sympathy at all? If you were hurting and posted about it, would you not expect us to treat you with care and compassion? What happened to treating others the way you want to be treated? Please, take just a second and read what you have written before you post it. If those same words would be hurtful to you (or someone you love), don't post them.

I pray that if he is God's beloved child, that God would prepare His heart through suffering, that in his sanctification - patience, empathy, and compassion would be taught, if it is resisted, that God would discipline that child, however it befits him so that the character of Christ may be built up.

 

[Jhana]

@Jhana RE>

*Scratches head*



Hmm... would that seriously justify a beautiful human being, crafted by God's hands, murdering himself/herself just because he/she hates his/her life?

Greif and anguish don't need justification, nor to be hunted out or to be found like some secret. The world is full of them.

We shouldn't care if we are feeling depressed or sad. Look at the bigger picture, people. God has a plan for all of us, and we're be screwing both him and us if we decide to try and "escape life".

Not caring is usually the biggest symptom of feeling depressed. Sometimes it manifests itself in a complete lack of empathy, separation from emotion and an indifference to people, things, places or events.

Remember how much pain our mothers had to go through just to get us out of their bodies? Ouch! Throwing yourself into a knife blade just because you feel "depressed" and "lonely" is the ultimate act of disrespect to your own parents and shows them how ungrateful you are to them for their entire lives being dedicated to making sure you're fed, educated, and housed.

Generally, people I talk to who are suicidal haven't had such luxuries.


Bullied at school? --> Talk to the staff! what if the staff don't listen?
Feeling down and depressed? --> Where is your family? dead/uninterested/nasty/hurtful/mean/abusive
Boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with you? --> So what? Heartache, pain. Obviously you've not felt it.
Don't like life? --> Deal with it. Charming.
Don't think anyone loves you? --> You're lying to yourself. Says who? You don't seem to be showing too much love.
You confused? --> Pray. ....



God, people. We all get only a century to live on this Planet. 100 years isn't that long. Just enjoy the limited amount of time we're spend here.

As opposed to going on a chat forum and making people feel terrible about themselves?





Deal with it. There's nothing wrong with being direct.
Blanket statements of what's right and wrong are dangerous things, and the only basis you seem to have is self justifying. Open your eyes.

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'rejoice with those with joy, and weep with those who weep'.

All of you, have unity of mind in sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble outlook.

 

[Stephen63]

Wasn't my point and only God can judge who is or who was not a child of God...

True. But...... Christ & the Word are one & the same.

Matthew 7:16-27 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Only those closest to this son can know the truth, for they saw the fruit, or the lack thereof. But know this..... God is no respect of persons..... His grace(favor) is sufficient for every need. He provides for any need.

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.