Attack of the Judaizers

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I think I got it but I think you twisted it into something I believe not to be true, and I know your no saying no rules, but much of the modern teaching makes the "law of Christ" a grey area law where noting is absolute, al is subjective kind of thing.
Go to sleep, Hiz!

This is what Judaizers do to the Faith;
you want to fight with someone so you look like your something special,
and you twist and make hard that which isn't hard!
You need to go back tomorrow and re read that post and respond to it,
or just go on your merry way, instead of just telling what I can already figure out about you!
many blessings
 

Hizikyah

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dangy!!!!!!!

Love, Love is key, but the question is how do we love?

We can ask 1000 people how to love, all will have a different answer.

Are all these acceptable to Yahweh as love?

Or does Yahweh have a standard of love that we are to follow?

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Go to sleep, Hiz!

This is what Judaizers do to the Faith;
you want to fight with someone so you look like your something special,
and you twist and make hard that which isn't hard!
You need to go back tomorrow and re read that post and respond to it,
or just go on your merry way, instead of just telling what I can already figure out about you!
many blessings
 
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parablepete

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I am probably getting in way over my head. I just started on page/post 109 so forgive me. I had never seen viedo's of the Jewish people not liking the Americans/Christians is this correct? I thought is was the Muslems we needed to worry about. I guess this is pretty nieve. All the Jewish people I have know are the best people in our community. They have don't so much for the town I live in. A friend of mine was a prosolite(sp) Jew. What ever I ask for we got for ball teams men and kids. I am just one person he did many people this way. I hate to show my ignortance on this, but, I feel bad.

When I was a new convert in Christ we worked in St. Louis and the place near our office was an Ice Cream shop. There was this older Jewish man who owned it. He was such a nice guy. Of course I was trying to teach him what I knew about the bible. I was really sad when I found out he didn't kow much about the NT. So my kids were young and were learning the OT Books so I thought I was learn with them. So one day I went into the shop and struck up a conversation and I started quoteing the OT Books I thought that would impress him. He didn't know what I was talking about. At least that was the impression I got. I really liked that Old man. He never let me become a friend. I bought a lot of Ice Cream and tryed to impress him every way I could. About all I remember is he said Jesus was one of the boys. Another words a Jew.

Can someone give me the bottom line why these UTube Viedos are so mean?
 
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danschance

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I am probably getting in way over my head. I just started on page/post 109 so forgive me. I had never seen viedo's of the Jewish people not liking the Americans/Christians is this correct? I thought is was the Muslems we needed to worry about. I guess this is pretty nieve. All the Jewish people I have know are the best people in our community. They have don't so much for the town I live in. A friend of mine was a prosolite(sp) Jew. What ever I ask for we got for ball teams men and kids. I am just one person he did many people this way. I hate to show my ignortance on this, but, I feel bad.

When I was a new convert in Christ we worked in St. Louis and the place near our office was an Ice Cream shop. There was this older Jewish man who owned it. He was such a nice guy. Of course I was trying to teach him what I knew about the bible. I was really sad when I found out he didn't kow much about the NT. So my kids were young and were learning the OT Books so I thought I was learn with them. So one day I went into the shop and struck up a conversation and I started quoteing the OT Books I thought that would impress him. He didn't know what I was talking about. At least that was the impression I got. I really liked that Old man. He never let me become a friend. I bought a lot of Ice Cream and tryed to impress him every way I could. About all I remember is he said Jesus was one of the boys. Another words a Jew.

Can someone give me the bottom line why these UTube Viedos are so mean?
Not all Jews, not even most Jews, but certainly some Jews hate Christians and hate Jesus. They view us in a very bad way, as though we have perverted Judaism. I am not even sure how we got on this topic as it is not at all important. Jesus said the world would hate us. So it comes as no surprise that the people who killed Jesus also hate us.
 

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Can someone give me the bottom line why these UTube Viedos are so mean?
I cant speak for the YT vids.

But I can say the Talmud speaks vile vile things against Messiah, and if any follower of Messiah knew what it said they would know Judaisim is of satan.

Also the Talmud pronounces a curse on any who number the 70 weeks of Daniyl's prophecy and they claim Daniyl is not a prophet.

If one numbers the 70 weeks they can know for sure, by the testimony of Yahweh who the real Messiah is!
 

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I cant speak for the YT vids.

But I can say the Talmud speaks vile vile things against Messiah, and if any follower of Messiah knew what it said they would know Judaisim is of satan.

Also the Talmud pronounces a curse on any who number the 70 weeks of Daniyl's prophecy and they claim Daniyl is not a prophet.

If one numbers the 70 weeks they can know for sure, by the testimony of Yahweh who the real Messiah is!
So, is this close?

Judaism rejects Christ Jesus.

Messianics just add Jesus to their Judaism and reject the NT epistles.

Judaizers add Mosaic regulations to the gospel.
 
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So, is this close?

Judaism rejects Christ Jesus.

Messianics just add Jesus to their Judaism and reject the NT epistles.

Judaizers add Mosaic regulations to the gospel.


Great post Elin, short and sweet!
 
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danschance

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So, is this close?

Judaism rejects Christ Jesus.

Messianics just add Jesus to their Judaism and reject the NT epistles.

Judaizers add Mosaic regulations to the gospel.
Well put. Though I would say Judaizers distort the gospel by adding works and thereby have a different gospel of Mosaic law plus grace.
 
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Hoffco

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To Elin, ProphetExcalibur, and Konroh, You three can not read, you make statements that are in error. You abuse good Christians like me and label us judaizers. And you should add: the Fundamentalists of today delete so much of the truth, that they, like you three, turn the GRACE of God to licence to sin. You three play God and reject His word. Love the TRUTH, Hoffco
 
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To danschance, How could you delete the necessity of good works when Jesus condemns those with evil works and includes only those who have faith and good words. And Jesus said "except one is born again ,they will not see the Kingdom..." "except you be converted and become as a little child,you will never enter the kingdom" The new birth is Sanctification begun, the radical brake with sin. Paul said , we are chosen to salvation thru "Sanctification of the Spirit and Faith in the truth", which speaks of Justification 2nd, not first, God first gives the gift of Sanctification then we trust and obey for justification 2nd. having receive the power to do so, in the new birth. . love the whole truth, Hoffco
 

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To danschance, How could you delete the necessity of good works when Jesus condemns those with evil works and includes only those who have faith and good words. And Jesus said "except one is born again ,they will not see the Kingdom..." "except you be converted and become as a little child,you will never enter the kingdom" The new birth is Sanctification begun, the radical brake with sin. Paul said , we are chosen to salvation thru "Sanctification of the Spirit and Faith in the truth", which speaks of Justification 2nd, not first, God first gives the gift of Sanctification then
we trust and obey for justification 2nd. having receive the power to do so, in the new birth. . love the whole truth,
Previously addressed by me. . .twice.

That is anti-gospel, and anti Ro 4-5.
 
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danschance

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mosaic law shows us why we need Gods GRACE.
True. As the apostle stated, the law was our tutor who taught us that we are sinful and we no longer need that tutor.
 

Hizikyah

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I cant speak for the YT vids.

But I can say the Talmud speaks vile vile things against Messiah, and if any follower of Messiah knew what it said they would know Judaisim is of satan.

Also the Talmud pronounces a curse on any who number the 70 weeks of Daniyl's prophecy and they claim Daniyl is not a prophet.

If one numbers the 70 weeks they can know for sure, by the testimony of Yahweh who the real Messiah is!
So, is this close?

Judaism rejects Christ Jesus.

Messianics just add Jesus to their Judaism and reject the NT epistles.

Judaizers add Mosaic regulations to the gospel.
Judaisim is the Talmud.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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To Elin, ProphetExcalibur, and Konroh, You three can not read, you make statements that are in error. You abuse good Christians like me and label us judaizers. And you should add: the Fundamentalists of today delete so much of the truth, that they, like you three, turn the GRACE of God to licence to sin. You three play God and reject His word. Love the TRUTH, Hoffco

Hoffco, that's silly talk, I've never once abused you!

In fact I don't recall directing a post to you until you sent one to me!
I could be wrong on that, of course, but i don't think so.
But i have the right to respond to some of your wild and mean spirited posts, Hoffco!

Some of your posts seem to be a little scatterbrained to me,
like 'the Fundamentalists of today' i don't even know what that means?
In any of our discussions back and forth, but that's ok Hoff; this stuff is just fun and games to me!
I enjoy the back and forth and pressing to or fro,
the conflict if you will that goes on in the battle for God's Kingdom!

I apologize if you've been offended by me personally!

peace and blessing
 
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Judaisim is the Talmud.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Hiz, just so you don't blow a gasket repeating over and over what we as Christians know about Judaism.
The Jews created Judaism as their religion in the writings of the Talmud, out of the Law of Moses.
God rejected their religion; they rejected their God and His Son, their Messiah, Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the Law (of God) and the Prophets in HIMSELF!
That is why He has a Name that is above every other name, and a Name only He knows!
When I am born again by the Blood of Jesus,
I am made perfect in Christ Jesus because of what He done!
...when the Son makes you free, you are free indeed....!

The Law of God only exists now in God's Lamb,
and this is where you err in thinking you can fulfill them somehow in yourself.

The Law and the Prophets are never fulfilled in me but, because i am in Christ Jesus;
I am made perfect by the Law and Prophets, in Him!

So you are right, now pat yourself on the back!
The Talmud and the Law of God are two separate things of the same entity.

The Talmud is still found with the Jews to this very day,
who were cut off from Israel and cast out of the promises of the kingdom of God to this very day!

The Law of God and the Prophets are found in Christ Jesus,
Who was made perfect concerning sin, by them.

God does not look from heaven to find anyone in the Law,
but in Christ Jesus and His finished work!
much love
 

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Hiz, just so you don't blow a gasket repeating over and over what we as Christians know about Judaism.
The Jews created Judaism as their religion in the writings of the Talmud, out of the Law of Moses.
God rejected their religion; they rejected their God and His Son, their Messiah, Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the Law (of God) and the Prophets in HIMSELF!
That is why He has a Name that is above every other name, and a Name only He knows!
When I am born again by the Blood of Jesus,
I am made perfect in Christ Jesus because of what He done!
...when the Son makes you free, you are free indeed....!

The Law of God only exists now in God's Lamb,
and this is where you err in thinking you can fulfill them somehow in yourself.

The Law and the Prophets are never fulfilled in me but, because i am in Christ Jesus;
I am made perfect by the Law and Prophets, in Him!

So you are right, now pat yourself on the back!
The Talmud and the Law of God are two separate things of the same entity.

The Talmud is still found with the Jews to this very day,
who were cut off from Israel and cast out of the promises of the kingdom of God to this very day!

The Law of God and the Prophets are found in Christ Jesus,
Who was made perfect concerning sin, by them.

God does not look from heaven to find anyone in the Law,
but in Christ Jesus and His finished work!
much love
You clearly know nothing about what you say, the Talmud is not of "the same entity of the Law"

If one takes the Scriptures and turns them into satanic doctrine that is not the "same entity" remember when satan tempted Messiah, was satans words of "the same entity?"

Revelation 3:9, "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 59b
We learnt elsewhere: If he cut it into separate tiles, placing sand between each tile: R. Eliezer declared it clean, and the Sages declared it unclean; and this was the oven of ‘Aknai.1 Why [the oven of] ‘Aknai? — Said Rab Judah in Samuel's name: [It means] that they encompassed it with arguments2 as a snake, and proved it unclean. It has been taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument ,3 but they did not accept them. Said he to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!’ Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. ‘No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,’ they retorted. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!’ Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — ‘No proof can be brought from a stream of water,’ they rejoined. Again he urged: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,’ whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: ‘When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?’ Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!’ Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: ‘Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!’ But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.5R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.’ It was said: On that day all objects which R. Eliezer had declared clean were brought and burnt in fire.7 Then they took a vote and excommunicated him.

The "rabbis" and Pharisees interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:

Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"

After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)

Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 57a
"For murder, whether of a by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred;
but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty."

CUTHEAN; CUTHITE - ku-the'-an, kuth'-it. - See CUTH; SAMARITANS. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia 1915

Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 114b
"For it has been taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai said: The graves of Gentiles do not defile, for it is written, And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men; only ye are designated men."

Lets break this down

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them."

First off twice in this one verse Yahshua says He “did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.”

He said He came to “fulfill them.”

Lets let scripture interpret scripture –

Yahshua knew satan would beguile many into a false interpretation of these words of His, this is why HE said IN THE NEXT SENTENCE:

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Has "heaven and earth passed away?".......A quick look out the window shows us no heaven and earth did not pass away.

Have "all things been perfected?".........Still sin and death in the world, so no all things have not been perfected.

So there are 2 things that Messiah says will happen before ANYTHING is taken from Yahweh's Law...NEITHER has happened.
 

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Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."