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Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
A person that calls someone a Judaizer is a mudslinger.
Hitler used that term to start the church wars, where he took over the German nation and put in his aryan false religion that did away with the old testament, the book of revelation and the writings of PAul.
Salvation is not of the aryan race
it is of the Jews.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
And satan will finally try to crush the JEws as it states in the book of revelation.
We must ever kep the holocaust in front of the people.
The monster will be slain as soon as the entire world unites in declaring Jews worthy of death.
Then
Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
so we are waiting for the law
that says kill the Jews
so this mess will be finished
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the aryans loose...
Hitler used that term to start the church wars, where he took over the German nation and put in his aryan false religion that did away with the old testament, the book of revelation and the writings of PAul.
Salvation is not of the aryan race
it is of the Jews.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
And satan will finally try to crush the JEws as it states in the book of revelation.
We must ever kep the holocaust in front of the people.
The monster will be slain as soon as the entire world unites in declaring Jews worthy of death.
Then
Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
so we are waiting for the law
that says kill the Jews
so this mess will be finished
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the aryans loose...
Its not a race war.
Galatians 3:28-29
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christians are trying to convert the judaizers, not kill them.
Galatians 5:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
What are Judaizers?
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Galatians 3:28-29
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christians are trying to convert the judaizers, not kill them.
Galatians 5:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
What are Judaizers?
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
I've seen in many cases that the label is given before really knowing the person. Then ridiculousness, and unnecessary conversations begin that lead in the opposite direction than what our Father in heaven desires. In fact he hates it. It seems to be true that anyone who esteems the law given to Moses as something spiritually good to eat is labeled from the beginning of any thread that focuses on Judaizers or legalizers without even mentioning those names in the title. How ridiculous to say the least. My suggestion is that if one desires to convert those who esteem the law as relevant for today, study it for yourselves first so you can understand the people that your trying to convert. Paul used those tactics, and so can we.
1 Corinthians 7:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
1 Corinthians 7:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
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Well put. The apostle Paul used the term "judaize" and last time I checked, he was NOT a Nazi. Judaizer is not a Nazi term, it is a Christian term that describes some people who try to turn the gentiles toward the obsolete Jewish laws or a portion of them. Paul used the term Judaize in Galatians 2:14.
Was the apostle Paul a mudslinging Nazi? Of course not! Only a troll would suggest such utter nonsense.
The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to the Judaizers that the apostle Paul rebuked. The Hebrew Roots Movement today seeks to place Christians who are free of the Mosaic law, back in bondage to them. To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate the grace of God. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone and not returning to the Mosaic laws which once enslaved us.
"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, then Christ died in vain" Gal 2:21.
Was the apostle Paul a mudslinging Nazi? Of course not! Only a troll would suggest such utter nonsense.
The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to the Judaizers that the apostle Paul rebuked. The Hebrew Roots Movement today seeks to place Christians who are free of the Mosaic law, back in bondage to them. To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate the grace of God. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone and not returning to the Mosaic laws which once enslaved us.
"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, then Christ died in vain" Gal 2:21.
Wow!
You I'd like to try whatever your on Bro!
Let's see you've mixed together, the Nazi's, the Apostle Paul as a Nazi- for using the term Judaizer.
You've mingled the Early Church with the Book of Revelations;
into the Dispensationalism 7 yr. tribulation future!
The Aryan race, with the Book of John which was written before the 1st holocaust in 70ad in Jerusalem!
wanting everyone to remember the 2nd holocaust in WWII,
which happened for the same reason the 1st holocaust happened!
Then dabbled in Satan, the Book of Psalms, with the 6th seal of Revelations!
Then you threw in for good measure,
Hitler, the church wars?, and the German Nation;
and the slaying of the big bad monster, at the time of the 3rd holocaust!
At least your willing to put up a defence for these Judaizers assassins!
Who bolster the unbelief of the Zionist Jew!
This is the perfect example of how Dispensationalist defend their cause!
I love you brother keep up the good work!
may you be blessed!
Well, let's unpack that statement.
Since Paul received his understanding and teaching from Jesus personally by private revelation,
the teaching of Paul is the teaching of the Christ, they are one and the same.
So, is there any difference between them?
Well, yes, there is.
The church was at least eight years old before it was introduced to Christ's revelation given to Paul.
That would have given the apostles and the Christian Jews time to assimilate the astounding
departure from their former religion, in Jesus' death being the atoning sacrifice
which was foreshadowed in, and which fulfilled, the OT sacrificial system.
The apostles would not have understood such revelation before his death.
So there was much Jesus could not reveal to them about the gospel before his death,
because it could be understood only in the light of his atoning death.
However, now the church is at least eight years old and has had time to assimilate the fact
and the meaning of Jesus' death as atoning sacrifice, when Paul begins to communicate
the additional revelation of Jesus which he was given regarding the gospel.
And therein is the difference between the revelation Jesus gave to the apostles before his death
and the revelation Jesus gave to Paul after his death.
The revelation given to Paul was a much fuller revelation of the gospel than the revelation given
to the apostles.
So by your own rule of supremacy, the latter fuller revelation given to Paul after Jesus' atoning death
is the light in which Jesus' former revelation before his atoning death is to be understood.
But it is all the revelation of Christ Jesus,
the latter more full than the former and
therefore, the latter is the light for the former.
So let's stop this false dichotomy between Jesus and Paul,
because it is all the Christ's revelation, none of it is the apostles' or Paul's.
Since Paul received his understanding and teaching from Jesus personally by private revelation,
the teaching of Paul is the teaching of the Christ, they are one and the same.
So, is there any difference between them?
Well, yes, there is.
The church was at least eight years old before it was introduced to Christ's revelation given to Paul.
That would have given the apostles and the Christian Jews time to assimilate the astounding
departure from their former religion, in Jesus' death being the atoning sacrifice
which was foreshadowed in, and which fulfilled, the OT sacrificial system.
The apostles would not have understood such revelation before his death.
So there was much Jesus could not reveal to them about the gospel before his death,
because it could be understood only in the light of his atoning death.
However, now the church is at least eight years old and has had time to assimilate the fact
and the meaning of Jesus' death as atoning sacrifice, when Paul begins to communicate
the additional revelation of Jesus which he was given regarding the gospel.
And therein is the difference between the revelation Jesus gave to the apostles before his death
and the revelation Jesus gave to Paul after his death.
The revelation given to Paul was a much fuller revelation of the gospel than the revelation given
to the apostles.
So by your own rule of supremacy, the latter fuller revelation given to Paul after Jesus' atoning death
is the light in which Jesus' former revelation before his atoning death is to be understood.
But it is all the revelation of Christ Jesus,
the latter more full than the former and
therefore, the latter is the light for the former.
So let's stop this false dichotomy between Jesus and Paul,
because it is all the Christ's revelation, none of it is the apostles' or Paul's.
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I never said they disagreed, I said people misunderstand makes disagreements.
I made this very very clear.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
I made this very very clear.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
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To lookuptoseeJesus, Am I to understand you want to kill all the Jews? What are you and ProphetExalibur saying? "art least your willing to put up a defence for these Judaizer assassins! who bolster the unbelief of the Zionist Jew!" Are you both looking forward to the next holicost? Please make it clear whose side you are on, Gods or Satans. Hoffco
Some of the things taught here ARE very serious. Some of these things have resulted in murders, ghettos, and terrible laws against Jews. It has led to acceptance by some of the holocaust. It was important that we know that the religious men, the Pharisees, had it wrong, and it is just as important we know some of our religious men have it wrong, now. It has nothing to do with person disagreements, it has to do with accepting what God says.
Christ made changes, those changes are given us in scripture, we are to learn them. To do that is not to say any scripture was wrong, not to say Christ wiped out scripture, not to follow some of the teachings on this post, but scripture.
Christ made changes, those changes are given us in scripture, we are to learn them. To do that is not to say any scripture was wrong, not to say Christ wiped out scripture, not to follow some of the teachings on this post, but scripture.
Hoffco, your such fun and full of laughs, please don't ever change!
First of all I was just having a little fun with the brother's post,
it was a little scatterbrained to say the least.
Second, I don't mind your post at all, Judaizers are assassins against the Christian faith,
when they mix any form of Judaism, with the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
A little 'Leaven'.......
God rejected Judaism in 70ad, when the unfaithful of natural Israel,
rejected God and His Son, their Messiah Jesus Christ!
They were cut off from Israel and cast out of the kingdom where they are until this very day!
You Hoffco, and those Judaizers & Dispensationalist, are the ones bolstering the unbelief of the Zionist Jew;
by telling them that they are still the chosen people of God! Thus pushing them towards a 3rd holocaust!
I am in the tower 'SHOUTING' as loud as I can, trying to stop what probably can't be stopped!
I am absolutely not wanting to see another mass genocide of the Jews, but there are those who do!
Clearly I'm on God's side! So, now, take a wild hairy guess who is on Satan's side?
many blessings!
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how can people be so blind? Israel is once again in God's program for this age. In 1948 they were made a nation, this fulfills the prophecy that God would bring them back to their land. They are the "fig tree" of Mt.24 32. After they gain peace and rebuild their temple ,as they want to do today, then Jesus will be ready to come back to earth, not until.. Jesus will not return until the "man of sin" makes , "reaffirms" the treaty with Israel. " The gifts and calling of God are never revoked. Hoffco