Yes it is different and here is why. Christians are not supposed to use violence to force others to accept Christianity, therefore they should not use violence except in the case of defending others or themselves (and then only as a last resort). So one who claims Christianity yet malicously murders another is not doing as Christianity instructs and is most likely not even really a Christian. On the other hand the muslim is instructed by the quran and the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] century, illiterate, lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islam’s own writings) false prophet muhammad (not God) they follow to use violence to force the world into submission to islam and to murder those who won’t. Can we automatically assume that just because one says they are a muslim or a Christian that they really are what they say they are? No because many people claim Christianity that are clueless about what a Christian really is. By the same token many nonbelievers (atheists etc… but not Christians as they are not supposed to deny Christ) who live in islamic controlled countries claim they are muslim and play muslim to keep from being murdered for the so called crime of apostasy.
Anyone who takes a life will be held accountable come judgment day. I do believe that one who kills in self defense and one who malicously murders in order to force their religion on others will be judged differently.
That is a little different then what this woman did. In this case the church elders that brought the imam into the church were in error. So it was right that someone stood up and stated the truth. Stating the truth about a false religion that was started started by a person islam’s own writings say was a liar, thief, murderer and a pedophile is not abuse.
Sure they should, those who don’t are hypocrites. You know like the followers of muhammad (not God) who demand the world not even speak against islam while at the same time blaspheming the true God and using violence to force the world into following a 7[SUP]th[/SUP] century, illiterate, lying, thieving, murdering, child doing(per islam's own writings) false prophet called muhammad that requires it’s followers to be antichrists.
Jhana I have a few questions for you. Why would anyone in their right mind choose to follow a false religion that is based on the stand alone 23 year record of a person islam’s own writings say was a liar, thief, murderer and child doing person (muhammad)? Don’t you think people would be better served coming to know Christ and His Father through the 1600 year record of numerous prophets and Christ as recorded in the bible?
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
How can you as a muslim who denies God has a Son come to know the Father if you deny that God has a begotten Son?
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
You talk like all muslims deny that Jesus was the messiah of the Jews. You talk like every muslim who has committed murder has done so from religious instruction, and every christian who has committed murder has done so out of self defense.
You speak like every 'muslim' (simply on the premise that they have that religious title) is exactly the same.
I have muslim friends who think that the current jihadist movement (jihad denotes 'religious struggle') is an absolutely ridiculous misinterpretation of the koran. Many of them in fact believe that the 'jihad' has nothing to do with conversion, rather that it is an 'inner struggle'. The saying 'fight with others, there are no winners, fight with yourself, you may truly find the truth', comes to mind.
You speak like every muslim on Earth denies Jesus words. They do not.
Muslims I know will quote the koran, and often the bible, just for illustration, both of which verify the virginal conception, which verify that Jesus is the messiah of the Jewish scripts, which verify that God spoke into Mary and Jesus simply 'was', inside Mary.
What you don't understand is that 'son', is a term that many people use ignorantly of one another's interpretations of it. Jesus himself, (in the bible) observes that many times, people have been called 'sons of God', or 'gods', in Jewish tradition, and Jesus used this to his advantage when he taught. They were called so since they are creations of God, made in God's image. Many of the prophets were titled as such things. Children of God, 'sons of God', and 'gods'.
The muslim would also agree that Jesus was in fact conceived without sex, that God spoke him into existence inside his mother's womb (the same way he spoke Adam into existence from the dust).
Mohammed tells the muslim followers 'it does not become God to father a son'. This is a statement of human conception. We think of fathering as having had sex with a woman and fathered a child by conventional biological means. But Jesus wasn't that.
This isn't a denial that Jesus is 'son of God' in the way that many of the Jewish prophets were sons of God, nor that Jesus is the Messiah of the Jews, nor that Jesus was conceived without sex, nor that Jesus was morally infallible and was never rightly rebuked for any 'sin'. The muslim won''t deny any of these things.
They simply deny that Jesus was a 'son' in the sense that many people view 'sons'. They simply don't see Jesus as a 'biological' son. He is a 'child of God' to them, in the way that Adam was a son of God, or that humans are children of God. Jesus is the infallible brother, the perfect example of morality, the most loved creation of God to them, in a sense, since he was the one most in line with God's will, and the only child of God who was fully begotten.
The bible says;
As it is written in the second Psalm: "'You are my son; today I have become your father.'
This passage is talking about Jesus. 'To me he shall be a son, and to him I shall be a father'.
The Koran uses psalms. So it is preposterous to say that a muslim doesn't see this verse above about Jesus. They dimply don't see it in the light that christians do. A man who has not actually biologically 'fathered' a child, can still be a 'father' to him. God did not biologically 'father' Jesus, since God and Mary did not have sex. The idea is kind of ridiculous. God spoke, and Jesus was. He 'created' Jesus, like he 'created' Adam. Adam is a son of God, a child of God. And in this sense, the muslim will understand Jesus as such. They just don't see him as 'biological son', or 'part of trinity'.
The Koran says 'the Jews and christians say 'we are the chosen children of Allah, we are his beloved ones'. Say 'why then does he still chastise you for your sins?' Nay, you are all human beings, of all those He has created. He forgives who he forgives and punishes likewise. To Him belong the heavens and the earth and all between them, and to him all will return'.
This is simply a statement of human equality. Everyone, regardless of what they 'are', sins and sees the consequences of sin. If a christian cheats on his wife, he reaps what he sows. If a muslim cheats on her husband, she reaps what she sows.
They aren't as ignorant as you seem to profess, not all of them at least. They only view the concept of 'children of God' differently.
Anyway, it's for you to take or leave. Whether you agree with it or not isn't why I'm saying it. I don't necessarily agree with it either. I don't need to believe it, you don't need to believe it, but I can understand it. At least perhaps you might understand it more too.