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Ecclesiastik

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You guys realize that the denomination "Baptist" has about as almost the same width as the term "Christian". I've seen Baptists that were so liberal that the only time they talked about Christ was during a sermon. I've also seen Baptists that wouldn't let you in church unless you were wearing a suit. The same can be said about just any other denomination.

Also, although some of the things I'm hearing about Baptists on this thread are concerning, (keep in mind I'm not a Baptist) some of them sound pretty silly. Although no one should tell you that you are not allowed to watch movies, have you ever stopped to ask why are you watching movies? Why are you listening to secular music? Don't you realize that you are living on borrowed time with borrowed resources from God? And that one day you will give an account for the way you used the resources? This is why we are accounted as stewards.

By no means am I damning everyone who do these things. I'm simply saying: Consider your ways. If your church does the same, then don't walk out on them just because they are advising you to do things that are tough. The Bible says the way is narrow for a reason.
 
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jimmydiggs

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kayem77 said:
Yeah I've heard about the ''baptist culture'' before, but since one my friends is Baptist but less traditional, I thought there was gonna be more variety there. I was wrong obviously lol. It made me feel so uncomfortable that that's actually one of the reasons why I didn't go back (there are other reasons though). Maybe it sounds stupid, but I just didn't like the fact that I needed to go shopping to feel comfortable there haha. I liked the culture, but it just wasn't for me.
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I sometimes where a t shirt and jeans if I don't have my laundry done. Grease stained farm t shirts. Like, huge nasty black spots, stains from rotten grain water, etc.

I'm not defending it, because I really am not concerned, but I think we shouldn't be against dressing up. It's the same God who gave three chapters worth of details on how priests should be dressed.

As long as it's modest, I'm not as concerned, but I find a lot of people really balk at the idea of dressing nicely for a lot of the wrong reasons.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Ecclesiastik said:
You guys realize that the denomination "Baptist" has about as almost the same width as the term "Christian". I've seen Baptists that were so liberal that the only time they talked about Christ was during a sermon. I've also seen Baptists that wouldn't let you in church unless you were wearing a suit. The same can be said about just any other denomination.

Also, although some of the things I'm hearing about Baptists on this thread are concerning, (keep in mind I'm not a Baptist) some of them sound pretty silly. Although no one should tell you that you are not allowed to watch movies, have you ever stopped to ask why are you watching movies? Why are you listening to secular music? Don't you realize that you are living on borrowed time with borrowed resources from God? And that one day you will give an account for the way you used the resources? This is why we are accounted as stewards.

By no means am I damning everyone who do these things. I'm simply saying: Consider your ways. If your church does the same, then don't walk out on them just because they are advising you to do things that are tough. The Bible says the way is narrow for a reason.
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Baptist isn't a denomination, so much as it is a term referring to the credo-baptist position. Your questions about movies sounds very much baptisty, and especially very Reformed. :p
 
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jimmydiggs

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I'm not certain this is the right one, I don't have my sound playing....


You wouldn't see this at a legit baptist church though (let alone at a reformed church!)

[video=youtube;2vUt4pJgHZQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vUt4pJgHZQ[/video]
 
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Ecclesiastik

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jimmydiggs said:
Baptist isn't a denomination, so much as it is a term referring to the credo-baptist position. Your questions about movies sounds very much baptisty, and especially very Reformed. :p
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Well I hope they sound more Bible-y than baptisty, because it is a biblical view. The apostle Paul said "all things are lawful to me but not all things are expedient." People look at this as a license to do whatever they want, but it is not. In the very next verse, he states "But I will not be mastered by any." or in another version "Brought under the power of anything." We can clearly see that there are many things that are not unlawful of Christians that are mastering them, that they are allowing to usurp authority over their lives.

We live in a society that says "Is it a sin? Oh its not? Then judge not! I'm going to keep doing it!" Imagine how a runner would do if he said "Oh is it lawful for me to carry a ton of bricks while I'm running the race? Well then get off my back, I'm going to do it!" You have to question the seriousness of people when they say they are in it to win it, but weigh themselves down to the point that they are barely running if they are indeed running at all.
 
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jimmydiggs said:
I'm not certain this is the right one, I don't have my sound playing....


You wouldn't see this at a legit baptist church though (let alone at a reformed church!)

[video=youtube;2vUt4pJgHZQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vUt4pJgHZQ[/video]
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Im assuming this was done in a church with a relation to a message and it being out of context makes it very awkward. At the time if I was at a church and they played this I dont think I could take seriously as a church anymore....
 
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kayem77

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Ecclesiastik said:
You guys realize that the denomination "Baptist" has about as almost the same width as the term "Christian". I've seen Baptists that were so liberal that the only time they talked about Christ was during a sermon. I've also seen Baptists that wouldn't let you in church unless you were wearing a suit. The same can be said about just any other denomination.

Also, although some of the things I'm hearing about Baptists on this thread are concerning, (keep in mind I'm not a Baptist) some of them sound pretty silly. Although no one should tell you that you are not allowed to watch movies, have you ever stopped to ask why are you watching movies? Why are you listening to secular music? Don't you realize that you are living on borrowed time with borrowed resources from God? And that one day you will give an account for the way you used the resources? This is why we are accounted as stewards.

By no means am I damning everyone who do these things. I'm simply saying: Consider your ways. If your church does the same, then don't walk out on them just because they are advising you to do things that are tough. The Bible says the way is narrow for a reason.
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The problem is, legalism in any form is wrong. Things that ''have a form of godliness but deny the power of the cross'' (2Tim3:5).
The way is narrow because we are sinful, and we would never accept the cross if left to ourselves, which means the cross is contrary to our nature. We are not supposed to make it even narrower just because certain practices are personal hindrances to our walk. I understand why someone would decide to stop watching tv, or listen to secular music at all. :) When I first became a Christian I didn't listen secular music for a while, but that was because I was at a stage of my spiritual life where I needed to start from scratch. I was a little legalistic for a while I admit. But right now I wouldn't like to impose that view on everyone.

jimmydiggs said:
I sometimes where a t shirt and jeans if I don't have my laundry done. Grease stained farm t shirts. Like, huge nasty black spots, stains from rotten grain water, etc.

I'm not defending it, because I really am not concerned, but I think we shouldn't be against dressing up. It's the same God who gave three chapters worth of details on how priests should be dressed.

As long as it's modest, I'm not as concerned, but I find a lot of people really balk at the idea of dressing nicely for a lot of the wrong reasons.
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I have no problem with dressing up. In a way, I can understand it. It looks very nice and gives the church experience a sense of seriousness. But I also felt,and from hearing commentaries about that church from locals, that they were imposing unnecessary rules on the congregation on the dress code. I have a problem with that. I don't know if it's true though.

But what I'm trying to say is, I think it's okay to dress nice for church, and I actually like looking ''nicer'' on Sundays. I don't like wearing sweatshirts or sweatpants to church, I personally feel it's a little disrespectful, but well that's my opinion. Also, the priests garments were only a shadow of the New Covenant (as I'm sure you know), though I do think we can worship or dishonor God by the way we dress.


 
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Ecclesiastik

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Kay, I'm not entirely sure I understand you. Are you saying that we shouldn't give up something because it is a hindrance in our walk?
 
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jimmydiggs

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Nautilus said:
Im assuming this was done in a church with a relation to a message and it being out of context makes it very awkward. At the time if I was at a church and they played this I dont think I could take seriously as a church anymore....
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Perry Noble. Tells you everything.
 
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kayem77

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Ecclesiastik said:
Kay, I'm not entirely sure I understand you. Are you saying that we shouldn't give up something because it is a hindrance in our walk?
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No, sorry maybe I should have worded it better. What I'm saying is, if something is a personal hindrance to your walk, then yes, give it up if necessary. But don't impose that regulation on everyone else. We all have different weaknesses and strenghts in our walk, but it would be a hindrance to people from the outside, or even other believers, to forbid specific practices or activities which aren't necessarily sinful, like watching movies or tv. A believer can respect another believer's weakness, and for the sake of his brother/sister, refrain from doing something that may offend them. But I have a problem when the whole church prohibits things based on personal weaknesses or opinion, instead of from the Bible.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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kayem77 said:
No, sorry maybe I should have worded it better. What I'm saying is, if something is a personal hindrance to your walk, then yes, give it up if necessary. But don't impose that regulation on everyone else. We all have different weaknesses and strenghts in our walk, but it would be a hindrance to people from the outside, or even other believers, to forbid specific practices or activities which aren't necessarily sinful, like watching movies or tv. A believer can respect another believer's weakness, and for the sake of his brother/sister, refrain from doing something that may offend them. But I have a problem when the whole church prohibits things based on personal weaknesses or opinion, instead of from the Bible.
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Ah, I see what you are saying. I can mostly agree, however, I do think it is the Church's job to help people to examine themselves in their walk. A lot of Christians seem to be in a slumber and need to be woken up. The Bible often talks about cities who are "at ease" and "comfortable" about to come to judgement for their neglect of the important things.

There are a lot of Christians who are "at ease" at the cost of not being prepared to meet their Maker. I was one of them. In the words of J.C. Ryle "Conversion is not putting a man in an arm-chair" and "The cross comes before the crown." But we have so few cross-bearers, it is remarkable! So many are ashamed to talk about Christ. So many are unwilling to give of their free time to Christ but will indulge in much, much entertainment.

It is times like this that we have to ask ourselves if we are truly living for God or for ourselves.

Here's my question for you kay: What would happen if the Western world illegalized Christianity under the penalty of death? How would most who go to church today cope with it?
 
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kayem77

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Ecclesiastik said:
Ah, I see what you are saying. I can mostly agree, however, I do think it is the Church's job to help people to examine themselves in their walk. A lot of Christians seem to be in a slumber and need to be woken up. The Bible often talks about cities who are "at ease" and "comfortable" about to come to judgement for their neglect of the important things.

There are a lot of Christians who are "at ease" at the cost of not being prepared to meet their Maker. I was one of them. In the words of J.C. Ryle "Conversion is not putting a man in an arm-chair" and "The cross comes before the crown." But we have so few cross-bearers, it is remarkable! So many are ashamed to talk about Christ. So many are unwilling to give of their free time to Christ but will indulge in much, much entertainment.

It is times like this that we have to ask ourselves if we are truly living for God or for ourselves.

Here's my question for you kay: What would happen if the Western world illegalized Christianity under the penalty of death? How would most who go to church today cope with it?
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It is the Church's responsibility to exhort and encourage Christians to live holy lives, and unbelievers to repent. I agree with that. But we don't do that by imposing more rules on them. The law has never made people more godly. It's all about the cross. The Church should remind people of the cross all the time, and remind them what it means. Remind them that we didn't earn our salvation, that we are accountable for our sins, that God has been gracious toward us in the Cross. Simply telling people that they shouldn't watch tv or listen to this or that , is not gonna change anything. That's a superficial (and unefficient I would add) way to encourage and admonish.

Here's my question for you kay: What would happen if the Western world illegalized Christianity under the penalty of death? How would most who go to church today cope with it?
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If Christianity was illegalized I would think many Christians would willingly embrace the consequences of their faith. Since many people who go to church aren't Christians, I don't know what they would do. But I do believe there is a remnant that, though not perfect, would remain faithful, as it's the case in many persecuted countries right now.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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Well I agree with you kay. You make some very valid and strong points.

However, I think it is a very good way to get people prepared for fully living for God by preaching that the theology of divine stewardship- that everything we have (our time, money, and materials) belongs to God and we are only watching it for him for a very short amount of time. I do not think this will qualify as legalism as long as you are not, as you stated, demanding people follow a list of rules that you are making up. I think this would serve as a large counter for the culture of greed and selfism that we live in. I think there are a lot of honest Christians who get deceived by the culture and their church never tells them differently. I've tried very hard to preach no compromises to people by my manner of life and by my words.
 
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I've read that the Southern Baptist Convention Baptists are the only protestant denomination that doesn't ban Freemasons fron joining their church or holding any office. Any comments?
 
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kayem77

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Ecclesiastik said:
Well I agree with you kay. You make some very valid and strong points.

However, I think it is a very good way to get people prepared for fully living for God by preaching that the theology of divine stewardship- that everything we have (our time, money, and materials) belongs to God and we are only watching it for him for a very short amount of time. I do not think this will qualify as legalism as long as you are not, as you stated, demanding people follow a list of rules that you are making up. I think this would serve as a large counter for the culture of greed and selfism that we live in. I think there are a lot of honest Christians who get deceived by the culture and their church never tells them differently. I've tried very hard to preach no compromises to people by my manner of life and by my words.
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I agree with preaching responsible stewardship. This is a topic we covered in my small group a couple weeks ago actually. I just think it looks different for everyone, because we are all given different talents, different gifts, strenghts, and weaknesses. So as long as you are not making [insert interest,material posession, hobby here] your idol and a stumbling block for your faith, each one of us should judge wisely how to manage what we have.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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Stephen63 said:
I've read that the Southern Baptist Convention Baptists are the only protestant denomination that doesn't ban Freemasons fron joining their church or holding any office. Any comments?
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Why would you ban a Freemason from joining your church?
 
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jimmydiggs

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Stephen63 said:
I've read that the Southern Baptist Convention Baptists are the only protestant denomination that doesn't ban Freemasons fron joining their church or holding any office. Any comments?
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It's because the SBC controls the illuminati!
 
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jimmydiggs

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kayem77 said:
It is the Church's responsibility to exhort and encourage Christians to live holy lives, and unbelievers to repent. I agree with that. But we don't do that by imposing more rules on them. The law has never made people more godly. It's all about the cross. The Church should remind people of the cross all the time, and remind them what it means. Remind them that we didn't earn our salvation, that we are accountable for our sins, that God has been gracious toward us in the Cross. Simply telling people that they shouldn't watch tv or listen to this or that , is not gonna change anything. That's a superficial (and unefficient I would add) way to encourage and admonish.
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I've never seen anyone say "Don't watch tv, mkay."
 
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Ecclesiastik

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jimmydiggs said:
I've never seen anyone say "Don't watch tv, mkay."
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Some folks have. My pastor preaches against video games sometimes but I still play video games. Although I only play them with my wife now a couple of times a week.
 
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