If I could address this thread to men, what would they say?
If I could address this question to women, what would they regret and fight back?
I wish GOD would add a thing we have bypassed or forgotten. I think HE spoke on Genesis but -obviously- I am “a macho man” who would fight for men´s rights, those we gave up (if some were granted).
One note:
Feminism came to be alive because of men became to be abusers.
Where did that machism came from?
I know what my life has been. I know how women shared -some guilt- on the machism we seem to be promoting, as hurt men.
Just read this thread and help "you" to see we are somehow alone...
Do we need a Christian movement to stop all of these(both, feminism and machism).
Christ has shown who to love our spouse. He gave HIS life for her (us).
Just read this thread:
http://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/85000-man-who-hurt-beyond-words.html
Oh yes I believe it's completely satanic...but it's much deeper than this sociopolitical "football" many are deceived into playing, where one opponent is trying to score the most points for their "team", while outsiders are pressured by "players" into picking a side (being convinced by those players that "
to not play is equivalent to scoring points for the opposing team" or some such ridiculousness). All the while, it's just a smokescreen. The only one actually benefiting from the game is the current, temporary custodian of the field...satan himself.
"Team Feminism vs. Team Chauvinism" is just a game, as similar a game as...
"Team liberal vs. Team conservative"
"Team [Race] vs. Team [Race]"
"Team [nation] vs. Team [Nation]"
"Team Poor vs. Team Rich"
All it is is a game of "Us vs. Them". The only difference is the marketed underdog (i.e. the one we're "supposed" to root for) swaps from one generation to the next; whoever's now labeled "Good" vs. whoever's labeled "Evil" this time around. And yet people get so duped, so immersed into "winning the game for their team" very few realize that regardless of whether they side with today's "good" or today's "evil", they're still eating from the same forbidden tree their parents once ate from...leading to their continued destruction.
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God has an established order, as order brings peace and harmony to a system (there is no stable system in creation that is without order; set *rules* to follow). While satan benefits from disorder; chaos, still telling people they can be "
just as equal as...", like he did with Adam and Eve compared to God; the very first "us vs. them" match.
It's the same sweet sounding lie spun for a different issue and a new generation. And yet we accept the lie and ignore the truth because deep down our spirit knows what the truth means and we reject its implications...which is why the world refuses to even acknowledge the most basic characteristic of God and would rather say "Mother" Nature...or why believers rather recognize the nurturing/feminine qualities of God while marginalizing or rejecting the discipline/masculine qualities of that same God as "OT", "put away" or "nailed to the cross"...or why we rather celebration a 6 lbs 10 oz baby Jesus - or (if we have to) a passive, non-confrontational, emaciated male image of Christ - instead of the strong, fearless, authoritative carpenter man that scripture describes our Christ was/is. And even though *each gender* - both masculinity and femininity- together reflect this complete nature of God, people continue to war between the sexes.
And then there's the other reaction. Instead of ignoring the truth like some do, others would rather mischaracterize the message, create strawmen and then draw false implications from their strawmen...only to bait persons into joining the game so they can quickly call foul in their feigned innocence. All the while, not realizing what spirit they're of.
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Again, God has an established order for all of his creation...but individual positions in that order do not determine individual "value". Elements of creation are different for a reason and that reason is to explain and glorify God in the different aspects of his *full* nature. God created all things and all things were made "good" in his eyes.
They - though different - all had "equal value" to him, but everything was in its
proper place; everything had its
unique role to play (which was - again - to fully explain and glorify him).
But
it's fallen mankind that places added value on certain positions...then that value compels coveting/greed...and then that coveting/greed leads to resentment from the one who hasn't the position/role they feel is more valuable (does this ancient spirit sound familiar to anyone? Isaiah 14:14).
Simultaneously...
It's fallen mankind that again places added value on certain positions...then that value compels coveting/greed...and then that coveting/greed leads to abuse from the one who wants to keep a tight grip on the position/role they have, using it to "lord over" others (the same ancient spirit having great wrath when his position was lost; Rev 12:12).
Notice that the common denominator here is mankind's "fallen" spirit. That same old spirit/snake. This is the reason why Macho men abuse and take advantage of women at every opportunity...and this is why feminist women resent and challenge men whenever possible. It's that same old rebellious spirit behaving the way he always has when in the same situations.
The problem has never been unequal positions, as roles given to men and women are different; the problem is people are not born *anew* and so in their rebellious spirit still doesn't accept the roles God gave them, and with humility (this includes both the abusive and the resentful), still suffering from the sin of Genesis; covetousness.
They're still living out their 1st life as seeds of that fallen spirit, instead of living out the 2nd life offered to them...because one can't help but act like Christ when one's living out their 2nd life fully in him...his Spirit is just too potent for our fallen spirit to resist.
...So this is the Christian Movement we need to nurture: to return to teaching that we're supposed to
die to our "old" lives if we claim to be believers, not cling to it (because either we actually believe Christ gave us a "new" life, or we don't...there's no straddling the fence or luke-warmness; no claiming BOTH lives or continuing to identify with our past). You either died in Christ or you didn't.
And then we need to teach this (i.e. the *full* gospel) to the world; that people have a way out of the prison of THIS fallen life/spirit we've each inherited...but that's contingent on whether we actually believe it ourselves, instead of pretending like we do.
