MODERN CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THEIR HEATHEN GODS--by tossing out the 7th Day Sabbath

[GregoryC]

[h=3]Heb. 4:9 says that a Sabbath-rest still remains for believers today.[/h]​

Hebrews 4 is talking about a future rest. People did not have this rest in Joshua’s day, nor when Psalm 95 was written (v. 8), so this chapter is not talking about the weekly Sabbath. This rest is entered by faith in Christ (v. 2). By using the word "Sabbath-rest," Hebrews is saying that the weekly Sabbath symbolized the real rest that God wants his people to enter. Just as the Levitical sacrifices symbolized the work of Christ, the weekly Sabbath pictured our final salvation. This symbolism says nothing about whether Christians should continue observing the symbols.
In one way, symbols are obsolete, but in another way, they are still required. Circumcision is a great example. Christians do not have to be physically circumcised (Rom. 2:29)—but we should be circumcised in the heart. We are to keep this ritual law, but we do so in the spirit, not the letter. In one sense, Christ has made the law obsolete; in another way, he has transformed it and still requires it in its transformed way. The same is true of the Levitical rituals: although we do not offer animal sacrifices, we are obedient to those laws when we have faith that Jesus Christ fulfilled those sacrifices. The requirement has been transformed.
In a similar way, since the Sabbath points toward our final salvation, and this salvation is in Christ, we are abiding by the purpose of the Sabbath command when we put our faith in Christ. It is in him that we find the rest that we need (Matt. 11:28-30). The requirement for rest has been transformed to focus on Christ rather than a day of the week. If we have faith in him, we are entering God’s rest and we are therefore keeping the spiritual intent of the Sabbath.

 

[GregoryC]

[h=3]Didn’t Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, keep the Sabbath?[/h]​

When Paul was preaching the gospel in a new city, his custom was to go to the synagogue on the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 16:13; 17:2). But this does not mean that he kept the Sabbath. Paul wanted to preach to Jews first, and the best place to do this was in a synagogue, and the best day to do it was the Sabbath, when the Jews were there. It was simply a good evangelistic strategy to go to the synagogue on the Sabbath. However, Paul never taught anyone to keep the Sabbath.
Paul sometimes kept Jewish laws such as circumcision, making vows, and participating in temple rituals (Acts 16:3; 18:18; 21:26). When he was with Jews, he lived like they did—but he did not consider himself to be under the old covenant law (1 Cor. 9:20). When with Gentiles, he could live like a Gentile, just as Peter could (v. 21; Gal. 2:14). In the first century, neither Jews nor Gentiles believed that Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. If Paul had a different view, we should expect to see some evidence, but there is none.
In the Gentile cities of Lystra, Derbe and Athens, nothing is said about the Sabbath. In some places, Paul preached every day (Acts 17:17; 19:9). When he was in Troas, we do not hear anything about the Sabbath. Rather, the church waited until the first day of the week to come together and break bread (Acts 20:7). The example of Paul, like that of Jesus, is always liberty, and makes no restrictions or commandments about the Sabbath.
Before we see what Paul taught about the Sabbath, let us summarize our observations.

1. The first place we see a command for the Sabbath is in the law of Moses.
2. The law of Moses contains many commands that Christians do not have to keep.
3. Even laws that came before Moses, such as circumcision, can be obsolete.
4. To see which laws are obsolete, we need to study the New Testament.
5. The New Testament never commands the Sabbath.
6. Jesus always criticizes Sabbath rules, and never tells anyone to be careful about what they do on the Sabbath.
7. Jesus always groups the Sabbath with ceremonial and ritual laws.
8. Peter and Paul could live like Gentiles if they wanted to.
9. Paul said that something about the Ten Commandments was fading away.

Should Christians keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Is the command clear enough to require people to lose their jobs and alienate their families? No—the only place that the Sabbath is commanded is in a covenant that the New Testament calls obsolete. True, the New Testament does not explicitly say that the Sabbath is obsolete. Instead, it says much more—that the entire old covenant is obsolete. It says that Christians do not have to keep the law of Moses. It says a large category of law is no longer required, and it never tells Christians to keep the Sabbath. None of the Sabbatarian arguments proves that the Sabbath is still commanded.
If the Sabbath were required, it is surprising that the New Testament never repeats the command. It has space for all sorts of other commands, from holy kisses to avoiding idolatry, but it never commands the Sabbath. It never criticizes anyone for breaking it. Paul dealt with numerous problems of Christian living, but he never tells slaves or others how to keep the Sabbath. He lists numerous sins that can keep a person out of the kingdom of God, but he never mentions the Sabbath. If the Sabbath is important, the silence of the New Testament is astounding.
But the evidence against the Sabbath goes even further than what we have covered. The New Testament not only fails to command the Sabbath—it says that it is wrong to require it.

 

[GregoryC]

[h=3]In Christianity, every day may be treated alike.[/h]​

In Romans 14, Paul writes that some Christians consider "one day more sacred than another," whereas other Christians consider "every day alike." In the Roman church, partly composed of Jews and partly composed of Gentiles, it is obvious what kind of days might be considered sacred.
But Paul says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." In other words, he is saying that it is permissible for a Christian to think that every day is alike! He did not feel any need to explain that one day of the week should be considered different. He was quite content for Christians to consider them all the same. His concern here, as it was in Colossians, was that Christians should not judge one another about their different customs (v. 4).
Paul was indifferent about the question of days—and the only reason that he could be indifferent about it, was that he considered the Sabbath command to be obsolete. If Christians work on the Sabbath, we are not to judge them or call them wrong, because they are not wrong. The Sabbath command does not apply.
First-century Jews did not think that the Sabbath applied to Gentiles, anyway. Paul would have had an uphill battle if he had wanted to teach otherwise. The reason that Paul could be so indifferent about days, that he could tell people not to judge one another about them, is that they were not commanded.

 

[GregoryC]

God accepts us on the basis of Christ, not on whether we keep a certain day of the week.

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The Sabbath (or any other distinctive practice) can deceive a person and subtly reduce the importance of Jesus Christ. The tendency is to think, "I please God because I keep the Sabbath. I am counted as one of his people because I keep the Sabbath." But God knows us as his people through Christ, not through a day of the week. The Bible says that the only reason that we please God is because of Jesus Christ:

"He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:5-7).
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No matter how many laws we keep, we are sinners, and the only reason that we can be saved is because Jesus died for our sins. But a focus on laws, especially laws that make us different from other people, tends to put the focus back onto ourselves—and what we do. For some people, the badge of betterness is a certain style of worship. For others, it is a certain belief, or the avoidance of alcohol, or a style of dress. For Sabbatarians, it is the Sabbath. Not everyone falls into this trap, of course, but the more distinctive the doctrines, the more likely that people will value them too highly.
Suppose we come to the Day of Judgment and we are asked, "Why should we let you into the kingdom of God?" How will we answer? Will we talk about what laws we kept? Or will we trust in Christ alone? Will we try to claim part of the credit? The Bible says that our only basis of salvation is faith in Christ, and that no one has anything to boast about (Eph. 2:8-9). Our works don’t count for anything; our only hope is Jesus Christ, and any doctrine or practice that obscures this fact is an enemy of faith. Anything that tempts us to look at what we do, tempts us to take away some of the trust that we should be giving to Christ.
Christians try to obey God, but our obedience does not count anything for our salvation. There are many reasons to obey God (faith in his wisdom, gratitude for his mercy, personal love for him, desire to spread the gospel, etc.), but salvation is not one of them. Salvation is a gift; obedience is a response—and that is for laws that are still valid in the New Testament era. If obeying a valid law counts for nothing, what good does it do to keep an obsolete one?



Of course, Christians may refrain from work one day a week if they wish. Spiritual disciplines like that can be helpful to a person’s spiritual growth, but they can also become obstacles, if people begin to think that these particular practices make them better than others. And these practices can become spiritually dangerous, if people think that everyone else ought to measure up to the way they worship God. Christians should not place themselves "under the law" (Galatians 3:25) as if the laws of Moses still had authority over them.
Jesus criticized people who taught requirements that God did not have: "You experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them" (Luke 11:46). When we teach requirements, we need to be very careful.
The Sabbath has nothing to do with salvation, and nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was never part of the message of the New Testament church. The message is always one of liberty, never one of restrictions on a particular day of the week. God accepts us because of Jesus Christ, not because of anything that we do. It is by grace, not works. We are to trust in Christ for our salvation.

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[JesusLives]

Didn’t Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, keep the Sabbath?

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When Paul was preaching the gospel in a new city, his custom was to go to the synagogue on the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 16:13; 17:2). But this does not mean that he kept the Sabbath. Paul wanted to preach to Jews first, and the best place to do this was in a synagogue, and the best day to do it was the Sabbath, when the Jews were there. It was simply a good evangelistic strategy to go to the synagogue on the Sabbath. However, Paul never taught anyone to keep the Sabbath.
Paul sometimes kept Jewish laws such as circumcision, making vows, and participating in temple rituals (Acts 16:3; 18:18; 21:26). When he was with Jews, he lived like they did—but he did not consider himself to be under the old covenant law (1 Cor. 9:20). When with Gentiles, he could live like a Gentile, just as Peter could (v. 21; Gal. 2:14). In the first century, neither Jews nor Gentiles believed that Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. If Paul had a different view, we should expect to see some evidence, but there is none.
In the Gentile cities of Lystra, Derbe and Athens, nothing is said about the Sabbath. In some places, Paul preached every day (Acts 17:17; 19:9). When he was in Troas, we do not hear anything about the Sabbath. Rather, the church waited until the first day of the week to come together and break bread (Acts 20:7). The example of Paul, like that of Jesus, is always liberty, and makes no restrictions or commandments about the Sabbath.
Before we see what Paul taught about the Sabbath, let us summarize our observations.

1. The first place we see a command for the Sabbath is in the law of Moses.
2. The law of Moses contains many commands that Christians do not have to keep.
3. Even laws that came before Moses, such as circumcision, can be obsolete.
4. To see which laws are obsolete, we need to study the New Testament.
5. The New Testament never commands the Sabbath.
6. Jesus always criticizes Sabbath rules, and never tells anyone to be careful about what they do on the Sabbath.
7. Jesus always groups the Sabbath with ceremonial and ritual laws.
8. Peter and Paul could live like Gentiles if they wanted to.
9. Paul said that something about the Ten Commandments was fading away.

Should Christians keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Is the command clear enough to require people to lose their jobs and alienate their families? No—the only place that the Sabbath is commanded is in a covenant that the New Testament calls obsolete. True, the New Testament does not explicitly say that the Sabbath is obsolete. Instead, it says much more—that the entire old covenant is obsolete. It says that Christians do not have to keep the law of Moses. It says a large category of law is no longer required, and it never tells Christians to keep the Sabbath. None of the Sabbatarian arguments proves that the Sabbath is still commanded.
If the Sabbath were required, it is surprising that the New Testament never repeats the command. It has space for all sorts of other commands, from holy kisses to avoiding idolatry, but it never commands the Sabbath. It never criticizes anyone for breaking it. Paul dealt with numerous problems of Christian living, but he never tells slaves or others how to keep the Sabbath. He lists numerous sins that can keep a person out of the kingdom of God, but he never mentions the Sabbath. If the Sabbath is important, the silence of the New Testament is astounding.
But the evidence against the Sabbath goes even further than what we have covered. The New Testament not only fails to command the Sabbath—it says that it is wrong to require it.

It is your free choice to worship or not to worship on the 7th day Sabbath. Sabbath was instituted back at creation as a day of rest and celebration at the end of God's creation week. No one here is telling you that you are required to keep it as it is your choice to make. God however did say Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

 

[GregoryC]

[h=3]6. Jesus kept the Sabbath. Shouldn’t we follow his example?[/h]​

Yes, Jesus kept the Sabbath. He kept all the Jewish laws, because he was born under the law and kept it perfectly (Gal. 4:4; Heb. 4:15). He killed Passover lambs, tithed to the Levites, told cleansed people to make offerings commanded by Moses (Matt. 8:4), and he observed Hanukkah (John 10:22). He would have worn blue threads on his garments (Num. 15:38) and done a lot of other things that Christians aren’t required to imitate. When we look at the example he set, we must remember the historical context.
What kind of example did Jesus set on the Sabbath? The Bible never says that he rested—we are told only of his activity. He never commands anyone to keep the Sabbath, nor praises anyone for it. Rather, he constantly criticized people who had rules about what could or could not be done on the Sabbath. He always taught more freedom, never any restrictions. Although he told people to be very strict about some laws (Matt. 5:21, 28, etc.), he was always liberal about the Sabbath.
Jesus always compared the Sabbath to ceremonial laws, not to moral laws. When his disciples were picking grain, he used the example of the showbread, and the work of the priests in the temple (Matt. 12:3-6). Those rituals were just as important as the Sabbath. He said that circumcision could be done on the Sabbath (John 7:22), which indicates that circumcision is a more important law than the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a ritual law—it says that behavior that is perfectly good one day, is forbidden on another, simply because the earth has rotated. But true morality does not change from one day of the week to another. When ritual laws became obsolete when Jesus died, it should be no surprise that the ritual of the Sabbath also became obsolete.
Jesus said that daily chores could be done on the Sabbath (Luke 13:15). Even hard labor could be done in an emergency (Luke 14:5). He told a healed man to carry his sleeping mat, even though there was no hurry (John 5:8). He even used the word "work" to describe his activity (v. 17). Many Christians follow this example. They remember that Jesus consistently criticized the Sabbath rules of the Pharisees, and that he treated it as a ritual law.

 

[GregoryC]

None of the lengthy posts i have shared within the last ten minutes are my work, however I heartily endorse all of them.

 

[JesusLives]

Gregory C

I think the reason we all keep going around in what seems to be a circle is because at least for me it sounds as though when Jesus died on the cross the law was done away with. I do not believe that is so. I believe when Jesus died the sacrificial laws were fulfilled with Jesus death the ultimate sacrifice. We no longer need to kill animals as a sacrifice. But Jesus had to die to meet the requirements of God's 10 commandments because they had been broken and sin is transgression of the law and the wages of sin is death. Someone had to die.

Back in the Garden of Eden because Eve and Adam ate the fruit someone had to die. Instead of Eve and Adam dying that very day, yes, they experienced a spiritual death but God in His mercy revealed His plan of salvation to them in the killing of animals as a sacrifice providing them with clothing from the skins and telling them He had a plan and a way out that from their seed one would be born that would crush the serpents head meaning the death of Satan who had deceived Eve.
They had to have known of the animal sacrificial system when Cain killed Able it was because God accepted Able's sacrifice and not Cain's because Cain did not offer a lamb as per God's instructions of a correct sacrifice and just brought produce as his offering.

God's 10 commandments are still relevant because they show us what sin is. No they don't save us but we need them to show us what God expects of us. Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the law and Jesus did for us what we can't do for ourselves but that does not mean that God's law does not still stand.

I have the free will and power of choice that if I woke up this morning and went out I could kill someone but because I love God I choose not to do that. It is only because I love God I make that choice and not because I am afraid that I would end up in a jail cell because that is surely where I would end up.

Go ahead and break some of the other commandments and see what happens - say I choose to go sleep with a friend's husband there is a chance I might get shot at the worst and at best I have lost a friend because when we break God's law there are consequences.

That is why I say God's law still stands as a word of truth to show us the way to live in love of God and our fellow man.

 

[Kerry]

Gregory C

I think the reason we all keep going around in what seems to be a circle is because at least for me it sounds as though when Jesus died on the cross the law was done away with. I do not believe that is so. I believe when Jesus died the sacrificial laws were fulfilled with Jesus death the ultimate sacrifice. We no longer need to kill animals as a sacrifice. But Jesus had to die to meet the requirements of God's 10 commandments because they had been broken and sin is transgression of the law and the wages of sin is death. Someone had to die.

Back in the Garden of Eden because Eve and Adam ate the fruit someone had to die. Instead of Eve and Adam dying that very day, yes, they experienced a spiritual death but God in His mercy revealed His plan of salvation to them in the killing of animals as a sacrifice providing them with clothing from the skins and telling them He had a plan and a way out that from their seed one would be born that would crush the serpents head meaning the death of Satan who had deceived Eve.
They had to have known of the animal sacrificial system when Cain killed Able it was because God accepted Able's sacrifice and not Cain's because Cain did not offer a lamb as per God's instructions of a correct sacrifice and just brought produce as his offering.

God's 10 commandments are still relevant because they show us what sin is. No they don't save us but we need them to show us what God expects of us. Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the law and Jesus did for us what we can't do for ourselves but that does not mean that God's law does not still stand.

I have the free will and power of choice that if I woke up this morning and went out I could kill someone but because I love God I choose not to do that. It is only because I love God I make that choice and not because I am afraid that I would end up in a jail cell because that is surely where I would end up.

Go ahead and break some of the other commandments and see what happens - say I choose to go sleep with a friend's husband there is a chance I might get shot at the worst and at best I have lost a friend because when we break God's law there are consequences.

That is why I say God's law still stands as a word of truth to show us the way to live in love of God and our fellow man.

Very, very close. I almost agree. The problem comes in as to where our faith is. Is our faith in keeping a day or is it in the work of the cross. My faith must be soundly placed in the cross and nothing else, because the the only thing that the Father will accept is the cross and not what I do. Jesus said come unto me for my yoke is easy and mt burden is light. The yoke of law so heavy that no man could keep it So far as much that Jesus also said that if you look at women with lust you have already committed adultery or if you look at a man with malice you have already committed murder. How is this possible, how can any man keep this stringent law. The fact is we cannot. However, if we place our faith in the work of the cross, then the Holy Spirit does in us what we cannot do. The moment our faith is placed in something else, such as a day or some rule or ritual, the Holy Spirit backs off because He cannot honor our wrongly placed faith. Yes he is gently and understanding but in time as we grow. We must understand that it is by Him and through Him and to Him. It's not by might nor by power but by My Spirit says the Lord. Not of our own ability, not by our willpower, not because we cut the church grass or give our money. Those are good things and should be done, but not where our faith should be.

 

[GregoryC]

So if Jesus took all of my sins past present and future. Paid the full punishment and penalty for every commandment broken. Then how could it be as a born again Spirit filled believer would I be punished for what has clearly all been paid?

 

[GregoryC]

Just a thought has anyone here considered the fact that God lives in every born again believer? Having the Holy Spirit indwelling we are taught directly by Him to obey everything that is holy and pleasing to God.
The written law was our school master to lead us to Christ.

 

[Kerry]

So if Jesus took all of my sins past present and future. Paid the full punishment and penalty for every commandment broken. Then how could it be as a born again Spirit filled believer would I be punished for what has clearly all been paid?

Are you looking for a license to sin? Or are you trying to justify what you may be doing. Yes, are sins are paid for past, present and future. However, there still are consequences to sin and can still lead to death. This is why a lot of churches no longer mention sin. Yet sin is the problem. When a person gets truly saved, there flesh bodies did not change and if you closely exam Romans,. We find ourselves in a war between the our spirit and our flesh and it will not end until we leave this flesh or we are transformed at the rapture. The price has been paid, but the transaction is not complete, How can that be you say. Well, didn't God tell Adam that the day that you eat of the tree that is in the midst of the garden you shall surely die. Well, did he die that day?

Jesus said unless you take up your cross daily and follow me. Our only hope is our faith in the work of the cross. Will fail at times? yes, but we must ever look to the cross

Jesus walked on the water and so did Peter, until he took his spiritual eyes off of Jesus and he sank. What happened next? Peter cried out Lord save me and Jesus picked him up and they walked on the water back to the boat.

It is not a license nor justification to sin. It is realizing that I can't do it, but with faith God can do it.

 

[GregoryC]

What part of The Holy Spirit do you think tells me sin is ok?
You sound exactly like the men mentioned in Galatians that slanderously reported the Christians taught "let us sin that grace may abound".

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[GregoryC]

I think Galatians 5:18 is my new favorite scripture. Freedom oh blessed freedom in Christ!

 

[Kerry]

Not saying you have or did. Glad you have found freedom. Just saying that if even the apostle Paul had problems with his flesh. So will you and I and all of us. As a fellow brother and not to condemn by no means. Keep your faith in the cross.

God Bless.

 

[RedTent]

I think Galatians 5:18 is my new favorite scripture. Freedom oh blessed freedom in Christ!

For over a thousand years it has been said that Paul disagreed with God, and also that God breathed what Paul said. I've even seen his words quoted to mean that Paul believed everyone in his race was dammed. So you think Christ said you were to obey the law and spoke of how to obey the Sabbath, and Paul told you not to obey the law, that you weren't under the Sabbath law. So what are you going to do? Go by Christ's and God's word or Paul's? You might consider you are misunderstanding Paul rather than decide Paul had it in for both God and Christ.

 

[GregoryC]

For over a thousand years it has been said that Paul disagreed with God, and also that God breathed what Paul said. I've even seen his words quoted to mean that Paul believed everyone in his race was dammed. So you think Christ said you were to obey the law and spoke of how to obey the Sabbath, and Paul told you not to obey the law, that you weren't under the Sabbath law. So what are you going to do? Go by Christ's and God's word or Paul's? You might consider you are misunderstanding Paul rather than decide Paul had it in for both God and Christ.

Thank you dear saint.

 

[UriahSmith1844]

What part of The Holy Spirit do you think tells me sin is ok?
You sound exactly like the men mentioned in Galatians that slanderously reported the Christians taught "let us sin that grace may abound".

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

For Christ's sake! I thought that every Christian would know that the Bible says just because we are under grace doesn't mean that we are now free to transgress the law of God!

If you think Jesus Christ suffering and DYING for your transgression of the 10 commandment law now gives YOU the so-called LIBERTY to go right out and break that same law again, you have a sick, perverted, TWISTED idea of what Christianity is.

Go take a REAL bible course, for crying out loud. Go back to school! And stop using God's Word to try to give yourself an excuse for breaking the law of God!

Jesus said if you love Me keep My commandments. He did NOT say if you love Me, start looking for ways to weasel out of keeping the law.

Is it any wonder Atheists are disgusted with Christianity? They can see the hypocrisy, they aren't stupid.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Okay now lets use our Christian brains a little bit shall we?

Paul just told us that we cannot, I said should not get the misguided notion that it is now alright to sin "because we are not under the law, but under grace". And so what IS SIN then? Its transgression of God's law, of course!

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

GO back and learn your ABC's of Christianity. Go take a Christianity 101 course.

 

[UriahSmith1844]

And don't give me this tripe where you play both sides of the fence and one minute claim its alright to steal, murder, commit adultery with your neighbor's wife and do every other abomination under the sun, then the next minute claim oh no we just wouldn't do that cause we are Christians. You are either allowed to do that sort of thing or you ain't. The Bible says you ain't. You just now read it. PERIOD!

I just spent the last few days trying to convince a pack of intelligent Atheists that just because there are so many hypocritical so-called 'Christians' that act just like worldlings, that this doesn't mean that ALL Christians are that way. Its people like YOU that turn others away from Christ. They are not stupid, they have eyes to see the whited sepulchres everywhere who are professing to serve the Lord.

 

[GregoryC]

For Christ's sake! I thought that every Christian would know that the Bible says just because we are under grace doesn't mean that we are now free to transgress the law of God!

If you think Jesus Christ suffering and DYING for your transgression of the 10 commandment law now gives YOU the so-called LIBERTY to go right out and break that same law again, you have a sick, perverted, TWISTED idea of what Christianity is.

Go take a REAL bible course, for crying out loud. Go back to school! And stop using God's Word to try to give yourself an excuse for breaking the law of God!

Jesus said if you love Me keep My commandments. He did NOT say if you love Me, start looking for ways to weasel out of keeping the law.

Is it any wonder Atheists are disgusted with Christianity? They can see the hypocrisy, they aren't stupid.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Okay now lets use our Christian brains a little bit shall we?

Paul just told us that we cannot, I said should not get the misguided notion that it is now alright to sin "because we are not under the law, but under grace". And so what IS SIN then? Its transgression of God's law, of course!

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

GO back and learn your ABC's of Christianity. Go take a Christianity 101 course.

Maybe you didn't follow the discourse closely enough friend. God hates sin and so do I.

You should think before you post? And also I suggest you read some of my other posts before make such ridiculous assumptions.