Keeping of the Sabbath for NT?

[KittenofMelchisedek]

It is derision, and the Lord hates derision, so if you continue in what the Lord hates, he might one day say, "depart from me thou worker of iniquity"

Lord, help us to live by every word that comes from your mouth, and help us to be forgiving of those who mock us for our faith, and have mercy on them, Lord, who push your will aside to follow their own. Amen

 

[john832]

john are you still not seeing that the Spirit is within us and He leads us into all righteousness?

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

And that coming from the Fellow who said...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

 

[GregoryC]

Believe in the commandments and thou shalt be saved... The gospel according to John832

 

[Hizikyah]

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

And that coming from the Fellow who said...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Believe in the commandments and thou shalt be saved... The gospel according to John832

What?

It dosent say believe in the Commandments.

 

[GregoryC]

What?

It dosent say believe in the Commandments.

My point exactly. Just pointing something out. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

 

[Hizikyah]

My point exactly. Just pointing something out. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

So never mind actually doing what He said? Just believe?

Originally Posted by john832


Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

And that coming from the Fellow who said...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

 

[GregoryC]

You are assuming again. However the scripture is clear for the eternal salvation of our souls the command is to believe nothing more.

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Believe in the commandments and thou shalt be saved... The gospel according to John832

John832 is our brother, whom is being mocked here.

Gregory, this is a really good example of that mocking which is not in good fun but which is unkind, and sows seeds of discord amongst brethren. Where are your fruits? Best to go look after your vineyard.

Have you not heard this verse? Or do you believe it does not apply to you?
Proverbs 6:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

You have done many things here just in the course of this thread. Not saying that to be mean, but that being convicted, you might repent and be healed. Or do you not believe in repenting either?

 

[CRC]

Jesus, being a Jew under the Law, observed the Sabbath as God’s Word (not the Pharisees) directed. He knew it was lawful to do fine things on the Sabbath. (Mt 12:12) However, the inspired Christian writings state that “Christ is the end of the Law” (Ro 10:4), which results in Christians’ being “discharged from the Law.” (Ro 7:6) Neither Jesus nor his disciples made any distinction between so-called moral and ceremonial laws. They quoted from the other parts of the Law as well as from the Ten Commandments and considered all of it equally binding on those under the Law. (Mt 5:21-48; 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10; Jas 2:10, 11) The Scriptures plainly state that Christ’s sacrifice “abolished . . . the Law of commandments consisting in decrees” and that God “blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees . . . and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.” It was the complete Mosaic Law that was “abolished,” “blotted out,” taken “out of the way.” (Eph 2:13-15; Col 2:13, 14) Consequently, the whole system of Sabbaths, be they days or years, was brought to its end with the rest of the Law by the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. This explains why Christians can esteem “one day as all others,” whether it be a sabbath or any other day, with no fear of judgment by another. (Ro 14:4-6; Col 2:16) Paul made the following expression concerning those scrupulously observing “days and months and seasons and years”: “I fear for you, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting you.”—Ga 4:10, 11.
After Jesus’ death, his apostles at no time commanded Sabbath observance. The Sabbath was not included as a Christian requirement at Acts 15:28, 29, or later. Nor did they institute a new sabbath, a “day of the Lord.” Even though Jesus was resurrected on the day now called Sunday, nowhere does the Bible indicate that this day of his resurrection should be commemorated as a “new” sabbath or in any other way. First Corinthians 16:2 and Acts 20:7 have been appealed to by some as a basis for observing Sunday as a sabbath. However, the former text merely indicates that Paul instructed Christians to lay aside in their homes for their needy brothers at Jerusalem a certain amount each first day of the week. The money was not to be turned in at their place of meeting but was to be retained until Paul’s arrival. As for the latter text, it was only logical that Paul would meet with the brothers in Troas on the first day of the week, since he was leaving the very next day.
From the foregoing it is clear that literal observance of Sabbath days and years was not a part of first-century Christianity. It was not until 321 C.E. that Constantine decreed Sunday (Latin: dies Solis, an old title associated with astrology and sun worship, not Sabbatum [Sabbath] or dies Domini [Lord’s day]) to be a day of rest for all but the farmers.

 

[Hizikyah]

You are assuming again. However the scripture is clear for the eternal salvation of our souls the command is to believe nothing more.

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Ruler! Ruler! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Ruler! Ruler! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Lets think about this for a second:

"Ruler! Ruler! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works?"

"performed many wonderful works?"

Was it because wonderful works is evil?

Or is there another reason?

Thankfully Messiah explains EXACTLY why:

But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

These people claim Messiah as their Ruler, and even do many "wonderful works" yet they did not subject themselves to Yahweh's Law.

What I see here is people who reject the authority and submission to Yahweh's Law, but do works they deem acceptable.

However you cut it, there is no getting around there people are told to get away because they will not subject themselves to Yahweh's Law.

All are free to follow whoever they want, but Me and my house, we will serve Yahweh.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[Hizikyah]

Jesus, being a Jew under the Law, observed the Sabbath as God’s Word (not the Pharisees) directed. He knew it was lawful to do fine things on the Sabbath. (Mt 12:12) However, the inspired Christian writings state that “Christ is the end of the Law” (Ro 10:4), which results in Christians’ being “discharged from the Law.”

Telos.



Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."

Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the ultimate result of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

You are assuming again. However the scripture is clear for the eternal salvation of our souls the command is to believe nothing more.

a tree is judged by its fruit

believing nothing other than Christ for our salvation, we obey our master who bought us with his blood, and we seek to do all that is commanded of us, and we let the Holy Spirit bring forth his fruit from our lives, to the extent that we are obedient to his instructions.

 

[GregoryC]

Any person who approaches the cross on the grounds of his or her merit or work of any kind whatsoever is automatically disqualified.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

All those who fancy themselves as good need not apply.

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one, and you will love Yahweh, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might.

This our Lord Jesus spoke when asked which of the commandments were the greatest.

He didn't say, "believe I'm God, then go commit whatever sins you please, because you already have a non-refundable ticket to heaven."

You bring shame to Christendom if you suggest otherwise. Many people, refuse salvation, because of "Christians" who have that attitude. They walk towards the light, and you and others like you, stand and throw stones in their path. This is the doctrine of BALAAM!

 

[Hizikyah]

Any person who approaches the cross on the grounds of his or her merit or work of any kind whatsoever is automatically disqualified.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

All those who fancy themselves as good need not apply.

What if someone keeps the Laws of Yahweh because Yahweh and Yahshua said to and said person loves them?

Are they automatically disqualified/fallen from grace?

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

this is a fun game gregory is playing, called piss off the christians and make them waste their time.....people play this game because all of their time is a waste, their life is a waste, and being unredeemed, their very soul is a waste to them and a benefit only to the Father of Lies, whom they unknowingly worship

 

[Yudahkid12]

Christ him self said that he came in the whole bible Psalms 40:7-87 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, 8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
(Ps 40:7-8 KJV) 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(Heb 10:7-10 KJV)

And also when we come under the new covenant 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. 35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
(Jer 31:31-35 KJV)

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(Heb 8:6-13 KJV)

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Hizikyah stop, half of his last argument wasn't even scripture, he's just being argumentative to WASTE whatever he can.

 

[Hizikyah]

Any person who approaches the cross on the grounds of his or her merit or work of any kind whatsoever is automatically disqualified.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

All those who fancy themselves as good need not apply.

What if someone keeps the Laws of Yahweh because Yahweh and Yahshua said to and said person loves them?

Are they automatically disqualified/fallen from grace?

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

 

[chubbena]

john are you still not seeing that the Spirit is within us and He leads us into all righteousness?

I remember the bible says the Holy Spirit guide us into all the truth.
I remember the bible says the Holy Spirit will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment.
But I don't remember the bible says He leads us into all righteousness. Which bible version are you using?