YOUR HUSBAND DOESN'T HAVE TO EARN YOUR RESPECT

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777ShesinHisHands777

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YOUR HUSBAND DOESN'T HAVE TO EARN YOUR RESPECT

I can’t tell you where I was or who was there or when it happened. I don’t want to add to this guy’s humiliation, so I am keeping this vague and generic. I can simply tell you that, some time ago, I found myself in the same vicinity as another married couple.

I certainly can’t read their minds, and I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, all I know is that the husband couldn’t seem to utter a single phrase that wouldn’t provoke exaggerated eye-rolling from his wife.

She disagreed with everything he said.

She contradicted nearly every statement.

She even nagged him.

She brought up a “funny” story that made him out to be incompetent and foolish. He laughed, but he was embarrassed.
She was gutting him right in front of us. Emasculating him. Neutering him. Damaging him.

It was excruciating.

It was tragic.

It also was, or is becoming, pretty par-for-the-course.

The respect deficiency in our culture has reached crisis levels.

I’ve discussed at length how men should treat women. I’ve written about the lessons I plan to teach my son; lessons about how he should love, honor, respect, serve, and protect the women in his life. Indeed, men need to respect women, and we, as men, are far from perfect in that regard.

Those posts — the ones where I call on us men to improve the way we treat women — tend to be very popular. They’re popular when I write them or when anyone writes them. Proclaim that women, mothers, and wives should be respected, and a chorus will shout ‘amen.’ Every day on Facebook brings us another viral post excoriating men and supporting women. I’ve written a few of them myself.

But I’ve noticed that the corollary – a message about the respect women must give men, a message challenging wives and encouraging husbands – isn’t quite so palatable for many people. Disrespect for men has become standard practice. That scene I witnessed was sad but unremarkable; we’ve all watched that kind of thing play out a thousand times over. Men are disrespected by their wives – they’re disrespected publicly, they’re disrespected privately, they’re disrespected and then told that they have no right to be upset about it because they aren’t worthy of respect in the first place.

Disrespect for men is a joke to us now. A little while ago I stopped on the way home from work to buy my wife some flowers. As she rang me up, the cashier quipped: “Uh-oh, what’d you do?” I wasn’t particularly amused, but I chuckled. She continued. “I don’t know if this will be enough to get you off the couch tonight!”

Ah, yes, the old “husband is punished by his wife and sent to the couch” meme. I’m not sure if this actually happens in real life, or if it’s an invention of 90′s “all men are fat, witless, oafs” sitcoms, but the popularity of the stereotype is telling. Is this how we see husbands now? A man gets “in trouble” with his wife, she scolds him and puts him in time-out on the couch. Now he has to placate his alpha-bride by showering her with flowers and jewelry.

Men are painted like children or dogs. They can be shooed off of their own beds by their wives and sent to cower in the living room until she permits him to return. This is only slightly less offensive than the cliché of the sadistic wife who punitively withholds sex from her husband. “You didn’t clean the garage like I told you. No sex for you, mister! Next time, follow my instructions!”

Did you ever see this Samsung ad from several months ago?

Evolutionary Husband? - YouTube

A worthless, grunting, Neanderthal of a husband instantly “evolves” when his wife plugs a contraption into his back. The ad caused a slight dust up when they released it, but nothing — NOTHING — like it would have if the husband and wife had switched roles in this charming piece of viral marketing.

But with men on the receiving end, a few people complained, some angry Youtube comments were posted, Samsung sales were unscathed, and everyone quickly moved on with their lives.

That’s because disrespect for men isn’t exactly a trendy outrage.

These cultural messages aren’t harmful because they hurt my manly feelings; they’re harmful because of what they do to young girls. Society tells our daughters that men are boorish dolts who need to be herded like goats and lectured like school boys. Then they grow up and enter into marriage wholly unprepared and unwilling to accept the Biblical notion that “wives should submit to their husbands” because “the husband is the head of the wife.” [Ephesians 5]

It is a fatal problem, because the one thing that is consistently withheld from men and husbands — respect — is the one thing we need the most.

Yes, need. We need respect, and that need is so deeply ingrained that a marriage cannot possibly survive if the man is deprived of it.

Often, people will say that a husband should only be respected if he “earns” it. This attitude is precisely the problem. A wife ought to respect her husband because he is her husband, just as he ought to love and honor her because she is his wife. Your husband might “deserve” it when you mock him, berate him, belittle him, and nag him, but you don’t marry someone in order to give them what they deserve. In marriage, you give them what you’ve promised them, even when they aren’t holding up their end of the bargain.

This doesn’t mean that a man has a license to be lazy, or abusive, or uncaring. He is challenged to live up to the respect his wife affords him. If his wife parcels out her respect on some sort of reward system basis, the husband has nothing for which to strive. As the respect diminishes, so too does his motivation to behave respectably. Respect is wielded like a ransom against him, and he grows more isolated and distant all the while.

They both swirl in circles around the drain. He fails, so she gives him no respect, and then he continues to fail because he feels disrespected, and she continues to give him no respect because he continues to fail. And so on, and so on, and so on, all the way to the divorce attorney.

The same thing happens with love. If love is unconditional, then the light of love always shines in your marriage, even in its darkest times. But if your love is given in direct proportion to your spouse’s ability to “earn” it, then it will inevitably diminish and fade over time.

Love in a marriage is, as people often point out, a choice. But it’s also a duty. So is respect. I love my wife because I choose to love her. I choose to love her because that is the vow I made; it is my charge, my warrant. Luckily, it’s usually pretty easy to love my wife because she’s kind, warmhearted, and beautiful. But if she becomes less kind, and I withdraw my love because of it, then my love was never love to begin with. It was just a pleasant feeling; a natural response to her nicer tendencies.

This is not to say that women should tolerate a man who fails in his duties, but that her intolerance for his failures can only be constructive if it is rooted in respect. Sadly, many women will approach their husbands and say: “You need to stop doing such and such or start doing such and such, because you’re a failure and I don’t respect you.”

She might not explicitly state this, but it is the message she implicitly sends. There is zero chance that this message will help to heal the damage; it only plunges another dagger into the already gaping wound.

A few months ago I wrote a post about pornography. I stand by every word I typed, but I feel like I could add another couple thousand sentences to the end of it. Ever since I published that piece, I have heard from hundreds and hundreds of men and women on both sides of the porn problem.

Men emailed to tell me that they developed a porn habit and it did great damage to their marriage. But they told me that they resorted to porn after years of being disrespected, shunned and belittled by their wives. They weren’t making an excuse — only offering some perspective and context.

And hundreds of women told me that their husbands developed a porn habit and it caused them to lose all respect for them. This inability to respect their husbands nearly, or in some cases completely, wrecked their marriage.

A vicious cycle. The men didn’t want to fight for a marriage if they weren’t respected, and the women didn’t want to respect men who wouldn’t fight for their marriage. He withholds his love, she withholds her respect. They’ve both set fire to the thing that needs to be fixed.

Respect is our language. If it isn’t said with respect, we can’t hear it. This is why nagging is ineffective and self defeating. This is why statements made in sarcastic tones, or with rolling eyes, will never be received well. We have a filter in our brains, and a statement made in disrespect will be filtered out like the poison it is.

Men are notoriously reluctant to share feelings or display vulnerability. Many times, we keep those inner thoughts locked away — our feelings guarded and hidden — because we know we are not respected. A man will never be vulnerable to someone who doesn’t respect him. Never.

A man isn’t satisfied or content if he isn’t respected. If he can’t find respect where he is, he will seek it somewhere else. This can have disastrous implications for a relationship, but it applies in other areas of life as well. A man is much more likely to stay in a low paying job, a physically demanding job, a dangerous job, or a tedious job, than a job where he isn’t respected.

I’m only emphasizing this because I think it might actually be news to some people. Society does not permit men to be vocal about their need for respect, so the need is often ignored.

I could sit here all day adding “yes, but husbands also need to…” disclaimers. I won’t, because I’ve probably written a dozen or more times on that subject. Every once in a while, I think we should talk about what wives need to do. And here it is. This, above all else. Respect your husbands. Even when he doesn’t deserve it.
 
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I certainly can’t read their minds, and I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, all I know is that the husband couldn’t seem to utter a single phrase that wouldn’t provoke exaggerated eye-rolling from his wife.

She disagreed with everything he said.

She contradicted nearly every statement.

She even nagged him.

She brought up a “funny” story that made him out to be incompetent and foolish. He laughed, but he was embarrassed.
She was gutting him right in front of us. Emasculating him. Neutering him. Damaging him.
Men allow this to happen to them, I don't think blaming it on the woman is healthy (Not that any woman that would do this is a healthy human being, or is somehow excused).....if a man's self respect as gone so low that he will put up with that, I would argue that he is more guilty than she is.

As far as society not permitting men to speak about their need for respect.....Men don't "Need" respect from anyone but themselves. That self respect is what's missing.
 

Fenner

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I read this the other day. I like Matt Walsh, he tells it like it is.
 
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I could sit here all day adding “yes, but husbands also need to…” disclaimers. I won’t, because I’ve probably written a dozen or more times on that subject. Every once in a while, I think we should talk about what wives need to do. And here it is. This, above all else. Respect your husbands. Even when he doesn’t deserve it.
I agree with you. I'll tell you a little story.

My friend came to work and said, "My wife told me she doesn't want to do anything for Valentine's day this year, but I know it's a trap. I bought her flowers today." Three things come up for me in that.
1. Why don't you trust your wife to tell you the truth?
2. What kind of relationship do you have that she would lay a trap for you?
3. Why are you making agreements that you then break? Why not be honest about your intentions up front?

My parents were married more than 50 years. In all those years, I never saw my mother disrespect my father, or for that matter, my father disrespect my mother. Not that they didn't disagree or argue. That happened, usually in the car when they were arguing about directions. ;) Their arguments were straight forward, stuck to the topic at hand, and usually very short.

This woman you describe is a very unhappy person. She doesn't respect her husband or her marriage. Her unhappiness is, in my opinion, a symptom of a lack of accountability. You married this man. That is your fault. It's not his fault that you thought he was/hoped he would become someone that he is not.

I've been on the failing end of a lot of relationships. I wasn't very good at relationships. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I have made this mistake myself. I realized I was getting into relationships for the wrong reasons, and thinking these men were someone they are not, or hoping they would become something. In the end, I was always left with almost none of my possessions and without my last shred of dignity.

On the other hand, I learned a LOT. I could not imagine speaking against my husband in public. It is my job to lift him up, make him look good, and provide him guidance. If we need to have a conversation, we should step off alone together to do that. I don't air our arguments on social media, I don't tell my friends all of the horrible things he said, and he maintains the same standard in his respect for me. In public, as in private, we are a united team. It's Us vs. the World. I have learned not to nag, not to complain, and merely to provide feedback and trust him to do the right thing. The man was this way when I married him. Why would I marry someone if I don't have his best interests at heart?

While we can agree with each other all day, that doesn't help the situation change. The question then becomes, what can we do about it?
 
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That commercial is sexist, and stupid. The worst part is that they're becoming a trend. If women really want respect as much as they say, they need to start respecting the opposite gender. It doesn't make sense to demand something that you're not willing to give.

Also, those commercials are molding men to think that this is the standard they are expected to hold to. Which is a very,very low standard. Society doesn't expect anything good from them, so they just stay in an eternal state of adolescence. They are not encouraged to act like adults, because society keeps telling them that's something only women do. Society keeps telling them is completely normal to be addicted to porn, to be lazy, and to be dumb. It's the same thing society was doing to women years ago, but now it's reversed.

It's always refreshing to find men who recognize the lies, and don't let these stereotypes affect them. It's also refreshing to see women aknowledging to worth and value of men. Keep fighting the good fight.
 

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777, Hi!! People who treat their husbands/wives/gf's/bf's/ etc, are usually always insecure and shallow. Making fun of others or debasing them makes them feel better about their own pathetic miserable lifes. They embarass and belittle their spouses in the presence of others because it gives them a false sense of "looking cool" or "being the man", or woman in this case. :) Maybe this woman had the same exact thing done to her at one time by a boyfriend or someone. I think it is rude and selfish and completely out of line for her to treat her husband that way. After all, behavior like that tends to repeat itself in an never-ending cycle. Obviously this woman thinks how she treats her man is okay, when in fact it isnt. Maybe its the only way she knows how to treat someone. In order to GET respect, you have to GIVE respect. It isnt a one-way street. Love and respect need to be given and received equally. This woman sounds like all take, and no give. :(
 
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777ShesinHisHands777

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Men allow this to happen to them, I don't think blaming it on the woman is healthy (Not that any woman that would do this is a healthy human being, or is somehow excused).....if a man's self respect as gone so low that he will put up with that, I would argue that he is more guilty than she is.

As far as society not permitting men to speak about their need for respect.....Men don't "Need" respect from anyone but themselves. That self respect is what's missing.
Maybe some men do allow this... and don't stand up for themselves however.... and this is a BIG however....

I come from a very verbally abusive relationship... a few of them as a matter of fact, and getting out of that mindset and recognizing that this Garbage they are saying about you is not REALLY who you are... is not an easy task! The key is learning to dispose of the bad stuff and focus on who you are and who God has made you to be! However...This is a form of abuse!

And this post was not about anything more than the WOMAN'S responsibility to her HUSBAND! We need to stop and think about what we say before we say it! Respect IS earned. However the bible does not state that we are to respect our husbands only if they earn it or deserve it! Just as it does not say that husbands are to love their wives only if they are lovable or only if they respect them.

Ephesians 5:20-33

And if you notice the last paragraph of this guys post... He has been there with the posts about what men should do, And he is not saying that you all don't hold some responsibility for what you need to do in these situations. The bible also states in 1 Timothy 3:12 that a deacon should be able to manage their children and households well, and I feel that ensuring that your wife is behaving in a godly manner is part of it. Now does that mean that if a man is not a deacon that he does not need to manage their household well??? No of course not, It simply is a requirement they need to meet if they are to be considered an appropriate candidate for a deacon. So yes there are responsibilities on the man's part however he is focusing on the women! And if we as women are going to be the women God has called us to be as wives... we need to step up to the plate and be prepared to treat our husbands as He directs us to!


Blessings,
Kimmie :D
 
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777ShesinHisHands777

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I could not imagine speaking against my husband in public. It is my job to lift him up, make him look good, and provide him guidance. If we need to have a conversation, we should step off alone together to do that. I don't air our arguments on social media, I don't tell my friends all of the horrible things he said, and he maintains the same standard in his respect for me. In public, as in private, we are a united team. It's Us vs. the World. I have learned not to nag, not to complain, and merely to provide feedback and trust him to do the right thing. The man was this way when I married him. Why would I marry someone if I don't have his best interests at heart?

While we can agree with each other all day, that doesn't help the situation change. The question then becomes, what can we do about it?

I agree these people that air their dirty laundry for all to see and then can't understand why their husbands distance their feelings and don't or won't communicate with them... WELL Honey... maybe it is because those feelings are private and he is afraid that you will make it your next post, tweet, status etc. I was taught one thing in counseling that has stuck with me longer than anything and that is the happenings between you and your husband should be just that... between you and your husband. Not your mother , mother in law, sister, best friend etc. Not only does it send the message to him that there is nothing sacred or private between you and he cannot trust you to keep anything private. But it also affects their impression of him and makes you being supportive of him much more difficult if they know every little issue that is between the two of you.

We are supposed to be upholding our husbands ... not poking holes in their emotional buckets... if we cut them down and "poke holes" every time we talk about them to others... how are we going to ever encourage them and expect to fill their buckets up.


Blessings,
Kimmie :)
 
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Men allow this to happen to them, I don't think blaming it on the woman is healthy (Not that any woman that would do this is a healthy human being, or is somehow excused).....if a man's self respect as gone so low that he will put up with that, I would argue that he is more guilty than she is.
This is true... however... if it was a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship, with such low self-respect, allowing her husband to treat her that way, would you feel the same? (That she is the guiltier one, for staying?) It happens on both sides, unfortunately. :(
 
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777ShesinHisHands777

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This is true... however... if it was a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship, with such low self-respect, allowing her husband to treat her that way, you might feel differently? It happens on both sides, unfortunately. :(
EXACTLY!!!!!!
 
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YOUR HUSBAND DOESN'T HAVE TO EARN YOUR RESPECT

I can’t tell you where I was or who was there or when it happened. I don’t want to add to this guy’s humiliation, so I am keeping this vague and generic. I can simply tell you that, some time ago, I found myself in the same vicinity as another married couple.

I certainly can’t read their minds, and I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, all I know is that the husband couldn’t seem to utter a single phrase that wouldn’t provoke exaggerated eye-rolling from his wife.

She disagreed with everything he said.

She contradicted nearly every statement.

She even nagged him.

She brought up a “funny” story that made him out to be incompetent and foolish. He laughed, but he was embarrassed.
She was gutting him right in front of us. Emasculating him. Neutering him. Damaging him.

It was excruciating.

It was tragic.

It also was, or is becoming, pretty par-for-the-course.

The respect deficiency in our culture has reached crisis levels.

I’ve discussed at length how men should treat women. I’ve written about the lessons I plan to teach my son; lessons about how he should love, honor, respect, serve, and protect the women in his life. Indeed, men need to respect women, and we, as men, are far from perfect in that regard.

Those posts — the ones where I call on us men to improve the way we treat women — tend to be very popular. They’re popular when I write them or when anyone writes them. Proclaim that women, mothers, and wives should be respected, and a chorus will shout ‘amen.’ Every day on Facebook brings us another viral post excoriating men and supporting women. I’ve written a few of them myself.

But I’ve noticed that the corollary – a message about the respect women must give men, a message challenging wives and encouraging husbands – isn’t quite so palatable for many people. Disrespect for men has become standard practice. That scene I witnessed was sad but unremarkable; we’ve all watched that kind of thing play out a thousand times over. Men are disrespected by their wives – they’re disrespected publicly, they’re disrespected privately, they’re disrespected and then told that they have no right to be upset about it because they aren’t worthy of respect in the first place.

Disrespect for men is a joke to us now. A little while ago I stopped on the way home from work to buy my wife some flowers. As she rang me up, the cashier quipped: “Uh-oh, what’d you do?” I wasn’t particularly amused, but I chuckled. She continued. “I don’t know if this will be enough to get you off the couch tonight!”

Ah, yes, the old “husband is punished by his wife and sent to the couch” meme. I’m not sure if this actually happens in real life, or if it’s an invention of 90′s “all men are fat, witless, oafs” sitcoms, but the popularity of the stereotype is telling. Is this how we see husbands now? A man gets “in trouble” with his wife, she scolds him and puts him in time-out on the couch. Now he has to placate his alpha-bride by showering her with flowers and jewelry.

Men are painted like children or dogs. They can be shooed off of their own beds by their wives and sent to cower in the living room until she permits him to return. This is only slightly less offensive than the cliché of the sadistic wife who punitively withholds sex from her husband. “You didn’t clean the garage like I told you. No sex for you, mister! Next time, follow my instructions!”

Did you ever see this Samsung ad from several months ago?

Evolutionary Husband? - YouTube

A worthless, grunting, Neanderthal of a husband instantly “evolves” when his wife plugs a contraption into his back. The ad caused a slight dust up when they released it, but nothing — NOTHING — like it would have if the husband and wife had switched roles in this charming piece of viral marketing.

But with men on the receiving end, a few people complained, some angry Youtube comments were posted, Samsung sales were unscathed, and everyone quickly moved on with their lives.

That’s because disrespect for men isn’t exactly a trendy outrage.

These cultural messages aren’t harmful because they hurt my manly feelings; they’re harmful because of what they do to young girls. Society tells our daughters that men are boorish dolts who need to be herded like goats and lectured like school boys. Then they grow up and enter into marriage wholly unprepared and unwilling to accept the Biblical notion that “wives should submit to their husbands” because “the husband is the head of the wife.” [Ephesians 5]

It is a fatal problem, because the one thing that is consistently withheld from men and husbands — respect — is the one thing we need the most.

Yes, need. We need respect, and that need is so deeply ingrained that a marriage cannot possibly survive if the man is deprived of it.

Often, people will say that a husband should only be respected if he “earns” it. This attitude is precisely the problem. A wife ought to respect her husband because he is her husband, just as he ought to love and honor her because she is his wife. Your husband might “deserve” it when you mock him, berate him, belittle him, and nag him, but you don’t marry someone in order to give them what they deserve. In marriage, you give them what you’ve promised them, even when they aren’t holding up their end of the bargain.

This doesn’t mean that a man has a license to be lazy, or abusive, or uncaring. He is challenged to live up to the respect his wife affords him. If his wife parcels out her respect on some sort of reward system basis, the husband has nothing for which to strive. As the respect diminishes, so too does his motivation to behave respectably. Respect is wielded like a ransom against him, and he grows more isolated and distant all the while.

They both swirl in circles around the drain. He fails, so she gives him no respect, and then he continues to fail because he feels disrespected, and she continues to give him no respect because he continues to fail. And so on, and so on, and so on, all the way to the divorce attorney.

The same thing happens with love. If love is unconditional, then the light of love always shines in your marriage, even in its darkest times. But if your love is given in direct proportion to your spouse’s ability to “earn” it, then it will inevitably diminish and fade over time.

Love in a marriage is, as people often point out, a choice. But it’s also a duty. So is respect. I love my wife because I choose to love her. I choose to love her because that is the vow I made; it is my charge, my warrant. Luckily, it’s usually pretty easy to love my wife because she’s kind, warmhearted, and beautiful. But if she becomes less kind, and I withdraw my love because of it, then my love was never love to begin with. It was just a pleasant feeling; a natural response to her nicer tendencies.

This is not to say that women should tolerate a man who fails in his duties, but that her intolerance for his failures can only be constructive if it is rooted in respect. Sadly, many women will approach their husbands and say: “You need to stop doing such and such or start doing such and such, because you’re a failure and I don’t respect you.”

She might not explicitly state this, but it is the message she implicitly sends. There is zero chance that this message will help to heal the damage; it only plunges another dagger into the already gaping wound.

A few months ago I wrote a post about pornography. I stand by every word I typed, but I feel like I could add another couple thousand sentences to the end of it. Ever since I published that piece, I have heard from hundreds and hundreds of men and women on both sides of the porn problem.

Men emailed to tell me that they developed a porn habit and it did great damage to their marriage. But they told me that they resorted to porn after years of being disrespected, shunned and belittled by their wives. They weren’t making an excuse — only offering some perspective and context.

And hundreds of women told me that their husbands developed a porn habit and it caused them to lose all respect for them. This inability to respect their husbands nearly, or in some cases completely, wrecked their marriage.

A vicious cycle. The men didn’t want to fight for a marriage if they weren’t respected, and the women didn’t want to respect men who wouldn’t fight for their marriage. He withholds his love, she withholds her respect. They’ve both set fire to the thing that needs to be fixed.

Respect is our language. If it isn’t said with respect, we can’t hear it. This is why nagging is ineffective and self defeating. This is why statements made in sarcastic tones, or with rolling eyes, will never be received well. We have a filter in our brains, and a statement made in disrespect will be filtered out like the poison it is.

Men are notoriously reluctant to share feelings or display vulnerability. Many times, we keep those inner thoughts locked away — our feelings guarded and hidden — because we know we are not respected. A man will never be vulnerable to someone who doesn’t respect him. Never.

A man isn’t satisfied or content if he isn’t respected. If he can’t find respect where he is, he will seek it somewhere else. This can have disastrous implications for a relationship, but it applies in other areas of life as well. A man is much more likely to stay in a low paying job, a physically demanding job, a dangerous job, or a tedious job, than a job where he isn’t respected.

I’m only emphasizing this because I think it might actually be news to some people. Society does not permit men to be vocal about their need for respect, so the need is often ignored.

I could sit here all day adding “yes, but husbands also need to…” disclaimers. I won’t, because I’ve probably written a dozen or more times on that subject. Every once in a while, I think we should talk about what wives need to do. And here it is. This, above all else. Respect your husbands. Even when he doesn’t deserve it.
I really don't feel sorry for these men who are taking the abuses. These red flags didn't happen overnight and these women should have been investigated and then dumped ... instead of pursuing marriage. I had a woman who treated me like garbage and believe it or not, she was very eager to marry me. What did I do? I told her I would give her three chances to get it right before marrying her. She accumulated her three strikes(chances) rather quickly and I left quickly. I really don't know what these men were thinking when they take incredible abuses and then marry these women.
 
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I can answer that. At least, on the opposite end of it. I stayed because I made a commitment, and I take my commitments seriously. When I began to lose myself to the pain of the whole mess, I decided I was more important than the commitment.

However, I agree with you. These women must have shown they were like this before they married. If they didn't, or they missed the warning signs, each person is still responsible for how they let others treat them.

I really don't feel sorry for these men who are taking the abuses. These red flags didn't happen overnight and these women should have been investigated and then dumped ... instead of pursuing marriage. I had a woman who treated me like garbage and believe it or not, she was very eager to marry me. What did I do? I told her I would give her three chances to get it right before marrying her. She accumulated her three strikes(chances) rather quickly and I left quickly. I really don't know what these men were thinking when they take incredible abuses and then marry these women.
 

Fenner

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I think abuse is abuse, mental, physical, it's wrong. We can't say that the woman was like that when they got married, maybe. Sometimes people can be charming and something changes.

I don't like to see anyone behave like what was posted in the original post. I feel bad for the person on the receiving end. We have many double standards in this world, because if that was a man talking to a woman like that you bet someone would say something to him. It's not OK for a woman to do that either.
 
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Jullianna

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Seems like we should all treat one another with respect, period. The "do unto others thing" we should have all learned in Sunday School when we were little. Especially our husbands. Scripture teaches us that it is one of two things expected of us as wives, though I can't imagine how a godly woman wouldn't know this in her spirit.

We are living in a society where it seems to be okay to say whatever we want about anyone and everyone because we "have a right to our opinion". Even IF that were true, do we have the right to say it aloud?

Matthew 12:35"The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. 36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. If you are saying spiteful, hurtful things about your man, you've got some stuff inside you need to deal with.

The missing puzzle piece in my mind is why you would marry a man (or woman) you don't respect in the first place. I don't know how you could possibly love someone and not respect them, but that's just me maybe..
 
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Donkeyfish07

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This is true... however... if it was a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship, with such low self-respect, allowing her husband to treat her that way, would you feel the same? (That she is the guiltier one, for staying?) It happens on both sides, unfortunately. :(
No, I have a double standard there. It's an awful experience for anyone who finds themselves in that situation, but I'm much harder on the man either way the cookie crumbles. lol, not that my opinion has any effect on the world. It's the man's job to lead and treat the lady (and himself) with respect.....that's our responsibility, even in the secular world. If he's being verbally abused like trip 7 described, I don't feel sorry for him one bit if he's allowing it to continue. If he's the one doing the abusing, he's a scumbag. I wouldn't place any blame on the woman either way the situation goes.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Maybe some men do allow this... and don't stand up for themselves however.... and this is a BIG however....

I come from a very verbally abusive relationship... a few of them as a matter of fact, and getting out of that mindset and recognizing that this Garbage they are saying about you is not REALLY who you are... is not an easy task! The key is learning to dispose of the bad stuff and focus on who you are and who God has made you to be! However...This is a form of abuse!

And this post was not about anything more than the WOMAN'S responsibility to her HUSBAND! We need to stop and think about what we say before we say it! Respect IS earned. However the bible does not state that we are to respect our husbands only if they earn it or deserve it! Just as it does not say that husbands are to love their wives only if they are lovable or only if they respect them.

Blessings,
Kimmie :D
Sorry if my post upset you Kimmie. I wasn't trying to derail....I know what your post was about. I was only replying regarding the situation you witnessed. I do think your giving a very positive overall message.

As far as the part I emboldened and underlined. I know how hard it is for a woman who has been beat down and trodden under foot by years of abuse. I had a sister in that situation once that refused to leave because she was scared. I don't look at the situation the same way if it's the man being abused though.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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He doesn't have to earn my respect, BUT HE DOES HAVE TO DO WHAT I SAY




just kidding :)











OR AM I?!
 
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777ShesinHisHands777

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I really don't feel sorry for these men who are taking the abuses. These red flags didn't happen overnight and these women should have been investigated and then dumped ... instead of pursuing marriage.
I am sure that some may disagree with my comments to come... some may think me a fool... others will appreciate the commitment, but no matter what you think of me or how you view my actions, they are what they are because of my upbringing and my beliefs as to what God has called me to do.

I was in a very verbally and emotionally abusive relationship for close to 20 yrs. I will not say that I ended up there through no fault of my own but I did take responsibility for my actions and did what I thought I was required to do. I made poor decisions and felt that even with those decisions not necessarily being what God had intended for my life, they came as no surprise to Him. He knew my thoughts, and He was working still even when I failed.

I did not stay with my husband because of my love for him, I stayed because of my love for God. I had made a commitment before God and was determined that I was not going to walk away no matter what. I was hoping to send a message to my children that even though marriage may not be what you intend it to be ... and the mate you marry may not be what he appeared before hand... A commitment made is not meant to be tossed aside.

I was told by many that they would not have put up with his garbage... and maybe I shouldn't have. We may never know what should have been but I know that what I did honored God. I didn't walk away from my commitment even though that would have been the easy way out. I believed that marriage was for life. I believed that my choice to stay would be blessed in the end with a husband that saw how committed I was and find it in himself to treat me respectably. However as in any situation everyone involved has a free will. He was choosing not to get along because he was not getting his way. He wanted to be able to be free to fulfill his desires and was taking it out on me and eventually the children.

I stayed to the end... I tried to get him not to leave... He finally chose to leave and pursue his own pathway, And God finally released me from the nightmare I had entered so many years ago.

All this background is to make a point... When you get married... sometimes there are things that you don't see. Some people are really good at hiding things. Sometimes people change after they are locked in a committed relationship. Sometimes there are signs that you are just not equipped to see, and yes sometimes you don't see them because you have other things on your mind. But it is not always obvious to the other person and once you are married ... it is not ALL about YOU. You are now committed to someone else and like it or not... You made your choices and now it is time to make the best of it.

Marriage is NEVER easy 100% of the time! It takes work. I was determined to do my 100%. Marriage counsel taught me that you dont give 50% expecting the other person to give their 50% because there are going to be days when they are just not equipped to give that much, and then you have a disconnect. The goal should always be to give your all (100%) then on the days when you or they dont give 100% it is not as noticeable. Is it tiresome feeling like you are giving it your all and they are barely brushing the dust off with their attempts? VERY! However... I sit here after it is all said and done and know that for what it is worth... I GAVE IT MY ALL. I remember very vividly one night before going to work at a local coffee shop we had engaged in an extremely hurtful argument. I went to work fuming... dejected... and very depressed. I wasn't seeing any profit from my actions and he didn't even seem to see my efforts to keep the peace in our home. I questioned if I was doing the right thing. Still I trudged on. When getting ready to go home I decided that even though I was thoroughly pissed with him ... I would still take him a coffee as I always did when coming home from work. When I handed it to him as I walked in the door, he stood, looking at me Dumbfounded...

"How do you do it???" He asked.
"How do I do what?"
"How do you still manage to bring me coffee after what happened last night?"
"It's not me, It's Jesus." I said quietly... "if it were up to me I probably would have drank it on the way home. But I know that as far as I am concerned I have to do whatever is needed to show love to you, even when I don't feel it. Actually ESPECIALLY when I don't feel it!"
At that he just dropped his head and walked away.

I don't know if he remembers that morning or not, but that is not important. I did what I needed to do, and I grew spiritually that morning probably more than I ever have. I realized that no matter what others do to me. My actions are the thing that I will have to answer for. And when he treats me like garbage, I must still return kindness to him. It is not easy! It is downright excruciating at times! And I failed A LOT! But I did my best and I trust that God will honor those actions done in love. I never did feel the love that I should have for him as a wife for her husband. But ... I showed the love of God to him constantly.

One piece of advice I have for singles out there ... enter into your marriage with your EYES wide open and live your life after marriage with your eyes half shut! (paraphrased from Dr James Dobson's book Love for a Lifetime)

Should I have left him when the abuse became apparent to me??? The bible does not give an option of divorce to the abused. My physical life was not at risk. My spiritual life... although damaged in some manners was strengthened in others. I pray daily for God to heal the damage to my kids and to me from the years of abuse. I am confident that he protected them from a lot of it, but I know that there are things that they still suffer from because of the emotional and verbal abuse. I pray that they will not marry someone that is like their father with the abuse... and i pray that they will not be like me in marrying someone with out careful consideration and prayer about their decision. But all this being said and done. We all do what we think is best, or what we have been taught and trained to do. Lord willing we will learn from our choices and make less mistakes in the future. or less harmful ones.

Gods Blessings to you all,
Kimmie :)
 

just_monicat

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The missing puzzle piece in my mind is why you would marry a man (or woman) you don't respect in the first place. I don't know how you could possibly love someone and not respect them, but that's just me maybe..
beware. i'm going to rant a bit. : )

i've spent way too much time viewing the carnage and ugliness of how people can treat each other once a few years have gone by and petty (and significant) issues have taken root. people who loved and respected one another, simply using each other as figurative punching bags.

i think it's naive (or faulty) to think that people necessarily marry people they don't respect.

i think people often marry people they don't know very well, and usually, not for lack of time or opportunity, usually. i've watched marriages of people who ignored red flags and pretended it would all "work out" in the end.

oh, and waaaayyyy too many people don't know themselves very well either.

or they marry with dewy-eyed notions swimming in their heads, usually with little concern to the obstacles and hurdles both generally encountered and specific to them. we live in a society that thinks only about today, and forgets about the gravity of choices that affect their tomorrows.

marriage isn't something anyone should go into with incorrect perceptions, wrong notions, and unrealistic expectations. under the best of circumstances, it's not easy keeping a relationship on track for a long time through the seasons of life.

i've grown tired of people citing faith as a reason to ignore warning flags, enter into less than ideal circumstances, or proceed with something that any objective person would call foolish.

we also erroneously give way too much power to our emotional condition, instead of the intellectual power we have to make better, more loving and Christ-like choices.

the very least we can do is treat our loved ones with care. God demands it of us, and we should expect that from ourselves.

otherwise we're no better than a single celled organism that operates under the principles of cause and effect.
 
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777ShesinHisHands777

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Sorry if my post upset you Kimmie. I wasn't trying to derail....I know what your post was about. I was only replying regarding the situation you witnessed. I do think your giving a very positive overall message.

As far as the part I emboldened and underlined. I know how hard it is for a woman who has been beat down and trodden under foot by years of abuse. I had a sister in that situation once that refused to leave because she was scared. I don't look at the situation the same way if it's the man being abused though.
LOL I was not in any way upset with your comment I was simply saying that yes your point is somewhat valid and understandable however this person that wrote the blog had been there already many times stating Man's job or responsibilities and was focusing now on the reverse... that being that we as women have a duty to uplift and encourage our husbands. This might just be a matter of calling attention to her actions. but it also may be a very difficult habit to break at best and a nearly impossible stronghold to bring under submission at worst. In any case we as women need to recognize that just as a verbally abusive man's words are sharp and painful and destructive... so are a woman's. The guy looks to this woman as his helper... his encourager... his strongest ally! If that is the case and the man is being put down and degraded in his own home by someone that should be his best friend... I know for a fact that he is going to believe some of what she says, and combating that is not always a simple act of standing up for yourself.

And as far as her staying because she is scared.. yes that is often the case but I did not stay because of fear but out of obligation to fulfill the commitment that I had made on day one of our marriage. Just saying it is not ALWAYS fear that is behind the reasoning, but by now I am sure that you are well aware of that.

Blessings,
Kimmie