SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM

ABMF · Feb 27, 2014

Lets stick with the word of its finsihed that Jesus Christ said before He died. I really seriously doubt that the vision that Stephen saw of where Jesus Christ is, seated at the right hand of God is a lie verses some one thousands of years later saying that Christ has enter the holiest of holies to cleans the temple. They lied. Why?
King James Bible
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;." See where Jesus Christ is now? It was already done LONG before a liar invisioned lies to help the liars who had already said that they had lied and repented of their lies. They claim that Christ entered the Holy of Holies on the DATE of their FALSE prediction saying He went to the Holy of Holies insted of coming to earth as they predicted He would. Do you see the lie now? The cleansing work is finished and God already knows who is in and who is out. He don't have review or read books. Why? Because of ACTS 15:18?

Correction to this part. Stephen saw Jesus Christ standing. God stood up to receive HIS faithful Martyr. However we see the principle that HE, Jesus, is at the right hand of God. Acts 2:33 He has already purged our sins. Hebrews 1. The work is finished. It was finished long before the 19th century. Thank you Jesus!

Laodicea · Feb 27, 2014

ABMF said:

Hebrews 1 has nothing to do with the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14.

Are you reform theologist?

Vernon · Feb 27, 2014

I suppose the SDA would be classified as part of the restoration movement of the 19th century, and as with the other restoration cults they have a very warped historical understanding of the Church.
I do not judge or condemn them for their understandings, The Lord Jesus Christ will judge us all.

Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy.

chips1024 · Feb 28, 2014

ABMF said:

Not sure what you are getting at here AMBF... You are making some sense (with regard to Stephen) but that doesn't quite nullify what the Adventists are saying does it? If Christ went up to be at the right hand of the father, then went to the Most Holy Place (as we are told in Acts 9) at a later stage, could that not mean that Christ was at the right hand during the time of Stephen and then went to the Holy Place later? Alternatively, Christ could have gone up to the Most Holy Place first (He did ask the ladies at the tomb not to touch Him before going up John 20:17) and then went to the right hand of the father. The fact is that Christ is our High Priest (Heb 8), and we know that He did enter into the Most Holy Place (Acts 9), when this happened is not shown from those verses.
We know He went into the Most Holy Place, so what explanation do you have for when that happened? Its no good discrediting another belief if you don't have an alternate reasonable explanation bud...

ABMF said:

Not sure what what you are referring to here... I am speaking about calling people legalistic because they believe something else that you don't. Even the apostles gave Gentiles rules and commands. So are they legalistic too?

ABMF said:

Again, not sure how this relates to what I was saying... are you saying that a correct mostly vegetarian diet is not healthy for you? And those that don't eat meat are weak in faith?

ABMF said:

Really AMBF? Your response to the fact that nobody has ever found a verse in the NT speaking about the changing/replacing of the Sabbath day is 'look at church history'?? Do we now follow history instead of the Word of God?! Again, you have not given one verse where ANYONE removed the Sabbath day and changed it to the first day of the week or the Lords day.
Looking at the verse you gave, if we use that as the rule for what should be done going forward, we are then allowed to lie, steal, kill, take the name of the Lord in vain and commit adultery (to name a few). So the reason that you give for not keeping Sabbath is a very dangerous one bud...

ABMF said:

What are the "principles" of the law then AMBF? Clearly I have another understanding, so please enlighten me bud... James 2 from the NT tells me that if I break one, I am guilty of all. So would rather understand what this NT writing is speaking about.

ABMF said:

How is it that nothing, doesn't mean nothing?? other versions say "...know not anything..." how is that not knowing anything, means that they know things?? make some logical sense there bud...

ABMF said:

I believe that Scripture speaks of one group of people having eternal life and another group that gets the wages of sin - which is death...
John 3:16 - those that believe have eternal life
Rom 6:23 - the wicked shall die and not gain eternal life
John 17:3 - Eternal life is knowing the one true God
Gal 6:7-8 - he who sows in the Spirit shall reap eternal life
Rom 2:6-8 - those that seek after righteousness shall have eternal life, those after unrighteousness, wrath and fury
Mat 7:21-23 - Those that do the will of The Father will gain entrance to heaven, those that practice lawlessness will not
1 John 5:11-13 - Those that believe and have Christ gain eternal life

My only issue with people burning forever is that logically, that also means that they are alive forever, which means they also have eternal life just as those who believe do... so how do you correlate the 2?
Please do not provide some scriptural evidence to back up burning for eternity, I have read the many verses and the word eternally/eternal fire/etc is shown. The concern I have, is that if they burn for eternity, then does that not mean that they too have eternal life?? Please rather show me the way out of this obvious misalignment...

Stay Blessed bud...

JesusLives · Feb 28, 2014

Satan is such a good liar and sad part is most people believe him. God told Adam and Eve if they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that they would die. God says in the bible that the wages of sin is death. But people believe the lie Satan told back in the Garden of Eden. Why? Because nobody ever dies, they either go to hell to burn, and burn and burn forever or the go up to heaven to live with God.

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve died, dead, not living why? Because the wages of sin is death. Other wise you would then be making God a liar and my bible tells me that God cannot lie. That Satan is the Father of Lies. I am sure you can look up a thread here on CC on the state of the dead and many, many bible verses referring to death like a sleep. For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything, they no longer praise God from the grave. More than once Jesus referred to death as sleep. But folks would rather believe Satan that their relative is up in heaven, because God must have lied when He said the wages of sin is death.

Then the everlasting burning hell - that makes God really loving and fair. The poor person who told one lie at the beginning of time has to burn longer than the mass murderers shooting our kids in schools, yeah that is really fair and loving. But people believe the lie Satan told - You won't die. In the very end Yes there will be fire and brimstone that burn up Satan, his angels and the wicked that don't accept Jesus as their savior, but once the fuel has burned up the flames will go out and they will be extinct forever, gone as though they had never existed. That is my fair and loving God and it will break His heart to have to complete this punishment. But sin will never rise a second time because who would ever want to go through this again?

But people want to believe the lie that Satan told - You won't die. But God's truth is the wages of sin is death, and as His Son Jesus hung on the cross to pay our punishment, He said It Is Finished - Satan is finished, sin is finished, eternal death for those who follow me is finished, and Jesus bowed His head and DIED. For you and for me. I beg you to please not believe the lie.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

Laodicea said:

It seems that in Hebrew it is evenings and mornings in which would mean 1150 days for what it is worth....and not that it changes the disagreement that you have with ABMF......

JesusLives · Feb 28, 2014

On the Day of Atonement the earthly priest went into the Most Holy Place to cleanse the sanctuary, to remove the sins that had collected there during the year. This was done yearly - two goats were chosen, one used as a sacrifice and one removed from the camp after the sins had been transferred to the goat and then taken to wander out in the wilderness. Note that the priest went into the Most Holy Place after the sacrifice had been made.

So since the earthly sanctuary was a copy of the heavenly sanctuary - why is it so hard to believe that Jesus being our High Priest would not be fulfilling the duties of the high priest in the heavenly sanctuary to cleanse it. Jesus was our sacrifice and He is now pleading our cases in heaven before the Father to cleanse the heavenly sanctuary. The scapegoat represented Satan and he is not wandering in the wilderness with our sins on him yet because I have been tempted today - what about you? I encourage everyone to read the entire book of Hebrews that will tell you what Jesus is doing as our High Priest.

Yes, when Jesus died our salvation was sure, but it took His death and sacrifice first so that He could then go and fulfill His duties in heaven as our High Priest.

JesusLives · Feb 28, 2014

If being a legalist is respecting and wanting to adhere to God's 10 Commandments - Then sign me up. God says if you love me keep my commandments. To obey is better that sacrifice. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. I delight in Your laws.

The 10 commandments were given to show us what sin is - Sin is transgression of the law. Will the 10 commandments save us NO, Jesus came and died to save us - believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Most everyone is o.k. with 9 of the commandments - God also said Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy. He blessed it, hallowed it, sanctified it, and made it a sign between us and Him.

So if respecting God's 10 Commandments and worshipping Him on His Sabbath day makes me legalistic - I'm all in.

Again I ask you ABMF what is your denomination?
Were you once a SDA and then left? Is that why you so dislike the denomination? Just curious.

chubbena · Feb 28, 2014

I don't know of any demoninnation, sorry I mean denomination, that doesn't mix truth with falsehood.
I'm not sure how many saw the movie "The Sting". The best cheat is mixing 99% truth with 1% falsehood which costs one to lose everything.
That 1% deadly teaching in believers is that one does not to have to obey His commandments.

john832 · Feb 28, 2014

ABMF said:

Pretty harsh comment there. Heb 1 has nothing to do with the 2300 day prophecy. I don't see it as connected to 1844 at all and I don't apply the day for a year principle here, but I surely don't think Lao is lying. I think you are on a witch hunt.

RedTent · Feb 28, 2014

There are two things we can look for to decide if we are allowed to totally condemn a person or a church. Do they believe in Christ and do they express love? If they do both of these things, we have a right to look at their beliefs and decide on each belief as following scripture or not, but we are not allowed to judge the entire person or church.

Pilgrim · Feb 28, 2014

Definitely looks as if most believe what they google and are misguided on many facts. I attend an adventist congregation and they have never condemned or gossiped about other churches that love and stand for Jesus because that is not the way

Have a good day

Pilgrim · Feb 28, 2014

All those who spend so much time condemning, mocking, and bear false witness against others who love Jesus instead of humbling themselves as a servant unto the Lord and focusing on Him should notice their own plank and repent. The love of Jesus never has to do such things to be edified or shown glory. Too many people trying to do the Holy Spirits work and doing a dishonorable job of it. When you spend your time focused on others "supposed" shortcomings, you are in denial of your own and have become a pharisee. There are none righteous, no not one and our righteousness is of a filthy rag. God is a searcher of hearts!

john832 · Feb 28, 2014

Pilgrim said:

Personally, I am not an SDA but these are two excellent posts.

Pilgrim · Feb 28, 2014

screen name Jesuslives made some great and fruitful comments. She is correct in that obedience is not legalistic. Furthermore, I find it rather disheartening that many decide by their own will to take on the characteristics of the adversary who was an accuser from the beginning and they inturn grieve the spirit of God by loosely using the word "cult" to accuse the children of God. Might as well condemn God`s chosen people in Israel with that attitude. The truth is there will be many in Heaven in whom you do not approve of because they are covered by the blood of Christ and they love Him. Not once did Jesus accuse except for with those pharisees who accused others. I would never dare to throw a stone or focus on what I thought to be anothers faults when I myself am worthy of death. I am to spread the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ and abide in He who will take care of the rest. We are to plant seeds and live our life in submission to His love and guidance and nothing more. He will do the rest and His yoke is light. Criticism is the opposite of intercessory prayer!

john832 · Feb 28, 2014

Pilgrim said:

screen name Jesuslives made some great and fruitful comments. She is correct in that obedience is not legalistic. Furthermore, I find it rather disheartening that many decide by their own will to take on the characteristics of the adversary who was an accuser from the beginning and they inturn grieve the spirit of God by loosely using the word "cult" to accuse the children of God. Might as well condemn God`s chosen people in Israel with that attitude. The truth is there will be many in Heaven in whom you do not approve of because they are covered by the blood of Christ and they love Him. Not once did Jesus accuse except for with those pharisees who accused others. I would never dare to throw a stone or focus on what I thought to be anothers faults when I myself am worthy of death. I am to spread the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ and abide in He who will take care of the rest. We are to plant seeds and live our life in submission to His love and guidance and nothing more. He will do the rest and His yoke is light. Criticism is the opposite of intercessory prayer!

Thank you for this post. I have the tendency to fall into this trap myself and the correction is appreciated. I learned a valuable lesson from a wise man years ago...

"Never confuse the instrument of correction with the author."

Laodicea · Feb 28, 2014

JesusLives said:

If being a legalist is respecting and wanting to adhere to God's 10 Commandments - Then sign me up. God says if you love me keep my commandments. To obey is better that sacrifice. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. I delight in Your laws.

The 10 commandments were given to show us what sin is - Sin is transgression of the law. Will the 10 commandments save us NO, Jesus came and died to save us - believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Most everyone is o.k. with 9 of the commandments - God also said Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy. He blessed it, hallowed it, sanctified it, and made it a sign between us and Him.

So if respecting God's 10 Commandments and worshipping Him on His Sabbath day makes me legalistic - I'm all in.

Again I ask you ABMF what is your denomination?
Were you once a SDA and then left? Is that why you so dislike the denomination? Just curious.

He accused me of being a coward for not telling him I am SDA even though he knew the answer already he still asked. Now he does not answer.

john832 · Feb 28, 2014

Laodicea said:

It is easy to hurl accusations. What I find difficult is this...

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

I tend to want to "set the record straight" too often. I have so far to go that is scares me.

Pilgrim · Feb 28, 2014

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Proverbs 6:16-19

danschance · Feb 28, 2014

Pilgrim said:

You find it adversarial to call SDA a cult but how do you think I feel as a person who has gone to church on Sunday claiming I have the mark of the beast? This is what Ellen White taught of those who go to Church on Sunday. What is worse. being called a cult or being labeled as one with the mark of the beast? Don't throw rocks, when you live in a glass house.

A Christian cult is defined as teaching doctrine contrary to the doctrines of historic Christianity. The Mormons hate the label of cult and strive to be accepted as normal. Some Christian apologists claim SDA is not a cult, while most do. In my own mind SDA is a cult of Ellen White. Most cult rally to their founder as being the mouth piece of God and consider their "prophets" writings as scripture. They consider her words to be on par with scripture. The call her a prophet of God, even though she has numerous false prophecies and a confirmed plagiarist.

A plagiarist is a liar as they claim written works by others to be their own work. She has copied word for word many articles and even an entire book complete with the actual illustrations. Then she put her name on this work and claimed it is from God. Ellen White taught a strict vegetarian diet yet continued to eat meat for a decade. They are legalistic in terms of what they can eat, when they can worship and idolize the 10 commandments. Most of their theology is correct.

For more evidence to Ellen White's extensive plagerisms: Plagiarism

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