How Old Is The Earth?

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jamie26301

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Well, we are sick, aren't we? Isn't that what has happened to us? The falling away from God, and Jesus coming to save us. This world is as much of an illusion as is possible. I truly believe that.
I would add that because we are imperfect, and fallen, and not as wise as God, that it would color how we read Scripture - and that drawing a perfect, divine intrepetation from it would be impossible. We just have to understand it to the best of our ability - like Paul said, we see don't see perfectly, but as in a dim mirror. What this means is that because we're all different, we're going to draw different meanings from the same text. I don't think that's a bad thing, but I think we should respect one another's views.
 
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I don't even try and guess such a thing. I've seen evidence and consider myself very learned in science. I've been to the Grand Canyon and I've seen the many layers of Earth and have read about it. However, I have also seen what I believed to be miracles and I believe in the miracles that Jesus showed us. I believe that God can do anything. That is way more important to me in my faith then putting stock into whatever I see out there and perceive. I hate to admit this, but I have seen certain evidence of the corruption and distortion of reality caused by the dark powers - and it's a radical viewpoint, I know, but it would not surprise me that demonic influence could affect reality in a way that can deceive. It's a very, very hard left for most to really, truly take in the parting of the waters, Jesus walking on water, etc. And on the flip side the extreme influence of the fallen on our world. If you've ever had a hallucination you'll know how easily reality is affected - working as a nurse this is a common thing when people become sick, right? Fevers, infections, and then I've got some poor lady who's seeing little penguins running around, haha. Well, we are sick, aren't we? Isn't that what has happened to us? The falling away from God, and Jesus coming to save us. This world is as much of an illusion as is possible. I truly believe that.
You know...perception is reality....there is probably more to the above bolded in your quote than we realize as we are not to walk by sight, but rather by faith.
 
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danalee

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Yes,they don't want to live a life that is worthy to be accounted for in God's view.
They just don't get to feel or see the Tender Grace of God that is flowing inside the Christian path.And how simple things
are and that God doesn't condemn but rather want them to repent so that He can Love them like us.
And when they wind up in hell and later stand before judgement they realize the True Love they missed and then they wish there was a second chance to experience that unconditional Love that could change their miseries,when all their life they battled with their hopeless state and unguided ways.In short it becomes late when they realize that with God their lives could have been so Meaningful and Joyful instead of being empty.When they reach hell,they realize they were living in vanity.hell is absence of God's Love,the very essence of being Live that we experience in our hearts with every heart beat comes from God irrespective of a Godly person or ungodly.In hell,they realize that absence.
I know the hell subject is a strong trigger for a lot of people. I have had the experience of falling away from God, and during that time had been close to death at one point from a protracted illness - I had sensed hell and was experiencing a premonition of it when I had a strong realization that I had been deceived. I prayed and God quickly responded to me but it was not over, I had to go through so much before I was out of that darkness. It took years of hard work to come to know God again through Christ, and through it his light and protection.
 
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danalee

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You know...perception is reality....there is probably more to the above bolded in your quote than we realize as we are not to walk by sight, but rather by faith.
Thank you. It's a hard subject to discuss. Very lovely reminder of how we walk in faith (those of us in him). :)
 
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Linda70

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Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The earth is about 6,000 years old....according to the Bible.
 

Angela53510

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My undergrad degree was in Science - a major in physical geography and minor in biology. I was an agnostic looking for God when I started University. It was there I began to see all the holes in evolution. University got me to think for myself, even though it was very secular. I found information about creation as an alternative, and believed in Creation before I believed in Christ!

But the hound of heaven wasn't far behind, and God met me and saved me about a month out of my first year of university. As a Christian, I met many science profs who believed in creation. I think it is a crime the way Christians in Science are bullied not to reveal their true beliefs, based on both the Bible, and what nature tells us.

As for me, I think the age of the earth is between 6000-10,000 years old. We don't understand that often in a genealogy, the Hebrew often uses "father" to mean a grandfather or great grandfather etc. So a few more years to wiggle, but no long earth ages. I am a firm creationists, and I believe science always backs that claim.
 
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My undergrad degree was in Science - a major in physical geography and minor in biology. I was an agnostic looking for God when I started University. It was there I began to see all the holes in evolution. University got me to think for myself, even though it was very secular. I found information about creation as an alternative, and believed in Creation before I believed in Christ!

But the hound of heaven wasn't far behind, and God met me and saved me about a month out of my first year of university. As a Christian, I met many science profs who believed in creation. I think it is a crime the way Christians in Science are bullied not to reveal their true beliefs, based on both the Bible, and what nature tells us.

As for me, I think the age of the earth is between 6000-10,000 years old. We don't understand that often in a genealogy, the Hebrew often uses "father" to mean a grandfather or great grandfather etc. So a few more years to wiggle, but no long earth ages. I am a firm creationists, and I believe science always backs that claim.

That's cool I got saved between my junior and senior year of getting my BA in Geology; and struggled through genesis until the Lord really gave me a solid answer after my master's in Science Ed. was done
 
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Jda016

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I am curious about the verse that says "a day is as a thousand years."

I remember in my world history course at college that, to the ancient Chinese, a "thousand" often meant not a literal thousand but it was figurative language for forever. Such as "may the emperor reign a thousand years" did not mean a thousand as we see it, but forever.

Did the ancient Hebrews view things Similarly? Is "a day is as a thousand years to God" figurative language or literal as we understand it?
 
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Tintin

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I am curious about the verse that says "a day is as a thousand years."

I remember in my world history course at college that, to the ancient Chinese, a "thousand" often meant not a literal thousand but it was figurative language for forever. Such as "may the emperor reign a thousand years" did not mean a thousand as we see it, but forever.

Did the ancient Hebrews view things Similarly? Is "a day is as a thousand years to God" figurative language or literal as we understand it?
Of course it's figurative. That verse is poetic, not literal and certainly not to be used to invoke something other than a six-day creation.
 

oldhermit

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I am curious about the verse that says "a day is as a thousand years."

I remember in my world history course at college that, to the ancient Chinese, a "thousand" often meant not a literal thousand but it was figurative language for forever. Such as "may the emperor reign a thousand years" did not mean a thousand as we see it, but forever.

Did the ancient Hebrews view things Similarly? Is "a day is as a thousand years to God" figurative language or literal as we understand it?
That is not a metric for temporal measurement. It is simply illustrating the fact that God is not subject to nor contingent upon time. It certainly does not mean that he does not know the difference between a day and 1000 years nor that he does not recognize the relevance of each.
 
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If you were Noah or any of the people after Noah who knew God created the world, you would wonder at anyone asking this question. Hebrews thought about how they were to use the facts they were given, they would never bother to ask God how He created the earth and how long it took. They were very interested, instead, that God said to divide time by seven days, didn't name these days except for the last one and called that Sabbath.

When Alexander the Great introduced our Greek thinking to the world, with it's why, how, when thinking, it was quite an upset in the world.
 
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ji

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I know the hell subject is a strong trigger for a lot of people. I have had the experience of falling away from God, and during that time had been close to death at one point from a protracted illness - I had sensed hell and was experiencing a premonition of it when I had a strong realization that I had been deceived. I prayed and God quickly responded to me but it was not over, I had to go through so much before I was out of that darkness. It took years of hard work to come to know God again through Christ, and through it his light and protection.
Yes,sadly its true that we have to put a lot of effort at every point of where we got caught up in pleasures of this world when we back slided or lived in ignorance.
But Jesus doesn't quit.He just hits us again and again,making us reconcile and reconcile and reconcile, washing the same place full of dirt till it shines:)
That's why i Love God.He doesn't quit,and that attitude is catching on me...
Thanks for giving a sincere explanation.
May God Bless you,and am deeply Blessed by your experience.Thanks so much.

Its not Christianity,when some one overcomes various temptations in life and live a life in self righteousness without Praying for others who are in the same position they were some time back.Self righteous people are the greatest cowards.It's not good for me to fall continuously taking it more time to overcome.But if it develops a strong impression in my heart and taught me enough to suppress 'my self pride and condemning others' where i fell,then God is teaching me to humble myself more.And i overcome more.And when i am brought down like nebuchadnezzar(king of my world,its all me),i can see people suffering more and need of Prayer just like i need to overcome.Some bondage chains got cut down from my life taking years,still getting released..to one day standing at a point where all shackles are removed and i fly my way to Heaven.
 
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ji

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I am curious about the verse that says "a day is as a thousand years."

I remember in my world history course at college that, to the ancient Chinese, a "thousand" often meant not a literal thousand but it was figurative language for forever. Such as "may the emperor reign a thousand years" did not mean a thousand as we see it, but forever.

Did the ancient Hebrews view things Similarly? Is "a day is as a thousand years to God" figurative language or literal as we understand it?
God is beyond time and outside time.He(Jesus) holds time in His Hands.
 
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Tintin

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If you were Noah or any of the people after Noah who knew God created the world, you would wonder at anyone asking this question. Hebrews thought about how they were to use the facts they were given, they would never bother to ask God how He created the earth and how long it took. They were very interested, instead, that God said to divide time by seven days, didn't name these days except for the last one and called that Sabbath.

When Alexander the Great introduced our Greek thinking to the world, with it's why, how, when thinking, it was quite an upset in the world.
Human reasoning isn't the problem. The problem is that Alexander the Great introduced the idea of human reasoning apart from divine revelation.
 

Katy-follower

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I've always believed the earth to be around 6,000 years old. Here's an interesting write-up I found.

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"What is the age of the earth? How old is the earth?"

Answer: Given the fact that, according to the Bible, Adam was created on the sixth day of our planet’s existence, we can determine a biblically based, approximate age for the earth by looking at the chronological details of the human race. This assumes that the Genesis account is accurate, that the six days of creation were literal 24-hour periods, and that there were no ambiguous gaps in the chronology of Genesis.

The genealogies listed in Genesis chapters 5 and 11 provide the age at which Adam and his descendants each fathered the next generation in a successive ancestral line from Adam to Abraham. By determining where Abraham fits into history chronologically and adding up the ages provided in Genesis 5 and 11, it becomes apparent that the Bible teaches the earth to be about 6000 years old, give or take a few hundred years.

What about the billions of years accepted by most scientists today and taught in the vast majority of our academic institutions? This age is primarily derived from two dating techniques: radiometric dating and the geologic timescale. Scientists who advocate the younger age of about 6000 years insist that radiometric dating is flawed in that it is founded upon a series of faulty assumptions, while the geologic timescale is flawed in that it employs circular reasoning. Moreover, they point to the debunking of old-earth myths, like the popular misconception that it takes long periods of time for stratification, fossilization and the formation of diamonds, coal, oil, stalactites, stalagmites, etc, to occur. Finally, young-earth advocates present positive evidence for a young age for the earth in place of the old-earth evidences which they debunk. Young-earth scientists acknowledge that they are in the minority today but insist that their ranks will swell over time as more and more scientists reexamine the evidence and take a closer look at the currently accepted old-earth paradigm.

Ultimately, the age of the earth cannot be proven. Whether 6000 years or billions of years, both viewpoints (and everything in between) rest on faith and assumptions. Those who hold to billions of years trust that methods such as radiometric dating are reliable and that nothing has occurred in history that may have disrupted the normal decay of radio-isotopes. Those who hold to 6000 years trust that the Bible is true and that other factors explain the “apparent” age of the earth, such as the global flood, or God’s creating the universe in a state that “appears” to give it a very long age. As an example, God created Adam and Eve as fully-grown adult human beings. If a doctor had examined Adam and Eve on the day of their creation, the doctor would have estimated their age at 20 years (or whatever age they appeared to be) when, in fact, Adam and Eve were less than one day old. Whatever the case, there is always good reason to trust the Word of God over the words of atheistic scientists with an evolutionary agenda.

 

Katy-follower

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Another write-up. Pretty long....

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Question: "Is there any evidence for the Bible's view of a young earth?"

Answer:
There is a profusion of evidence for the Bible’s view of a young earth. However, the old-earth perspective has held a monopoly in the public schools, in the major academic centers, and in the popular media for generations. It is no wonder then that most scientists share the old-earth perspective. It’s all they were taught growing up in school. It’s all they learned at the universities where they got their degrees. It’s what most of their colleagues profess. But there are dissenters among the scientific community, and their numbers are growing. Why? Because more and more scientists are confronting a growing body of evidence which challenges the old-earth paradigm.

This is not to say that everyone who examines these evidences will reject the old-earth perspective. Some who have pondered these evidences regard them as anomalous, yet-to-be-explained phenomena. Some believe they don’t stand up under close scrutiny. Some view them as deliberate misrepresentations of the facts by religious zealots.

There is no doubt that religious zealots have a tendency to distort facts when it suits their purposes. old-earth zealots have the same tendency when their careers and reputations are on the line. It’s human nature. It is also true that some of the young-earth evidences which have been proposed over the years have not withstood close scrutiny. But many others have, and the fact remains that a growing number of professionally trained scientists—experts in their fields—are accepting a young-earth perspective as being at least scientifically plausible, if not compelling. Here are a few of the relevant evidences for consideration:

Continental Erosion and Fossil Remains - the continents are eroding at such a rate that, if not for tectonic uplift, meteoric dusting and volcanic influx, they would erode flat (Mt. Everest and all) in less than 25 million years. At this rate, high-altitude, million-year-old fossils should have long since eroded away. And yet they remain. The implication is that these fossils are not millions of years old. If this were true, the entire geologic column would need serious revision.

Subterranean Fluid Pressure - When a drill rig strikes oil, the oil sometimes gushes out in huge fountains. This is because the oil is often under huge amounts of pressure from the sheer weight of the rock sitting on top of it. Other subterranean fluids kept under pressure include natural gas and water. The problem is, the rock above many pressurized subterranean fluid deposits is relatively permeable. The pressure should escape in less than 100,000 years. Yet these deposits remain highly pressurized. Once again, because of the supposed antiquity of these deposits and their location throughout the geologic column, this observation calls into question some of the interpretations which have led to the formulation of the column.

Global Cooling - In the 19th century, the renowned physicist and inventor Lord Kelvin (William Thomson) was the first to point out that if the earth began in a white-hot molten state, it would have cooled to its current temperature billions of years sooner than the 4.6 billion years accepted today. Since then, old-earth advocates have pointed out that radioactive decay within the earth would greatly slow down the cooling process. Young-earth advocates respond that, even given liberal assumptions concerning the amount of heat produced by radioactive decay, the earth would still cool to its current temperature much sooner than old-earth advocates allow.

Lunar Recession - The moon is slowly moving farther away from the earth. This has to do with the fact that the earth’s spin is slowing down due to tidal friction and other factors. Lunar recession was first observed by Edmund Halley in the late 1600s (the same Edmund Halley who is credited with being the first to predict the 76-year orbit of the famous comet which bears his name). Given the rate of lunar recession today, the fact that it has gradually accelerated over time, and several other factors, physicists have determined that the earth-moon system could not have existed beyond 1.2 billion years. This is 3.4 billion years less time than old-earth advocates are willing to accept. Furthermore, the closer the moon gets to the earth, the greater its influence on our tides. We can’t go too far back in time before we would all drown twice a day.

Helium diffusion from Precambrian Zircons - Helium is produced within the earth by the radioactive decay of certain unstable elements (uranium and thorium being two such elements). Some of this decay takes place inside of crystals known as “zircons.” Helium diffuses from these zircons at known rates depending upon depth and temperature. Scientists have discovered that, in zircons where a billion years of uranium decay has allegedly taken place, too much helium remains—way too much helium. It appears as if the helium hasn’t had enough time to diffuse out of the crystals. This observation has a couple of implications.

First, this observation may overturn a key assumption underlying radiometric dating (the most common old-earth dating technique). Scientists believe that a billion years of uranium decay has taken place within these zircons because they make certain assumptions about the unobservable past. One of these assumptions is that radioactive decay has remained constant throughout the unobservable past. Scientists have been able to vary decay rates in the lab, but most don’t believe that it actually happens in nature. However, if billions years of uranium decay has taken place so quickly that the helium produced hasn’t had enough time to escape the zircons, this may be strong evidence that radioactive decay rates were greatly accelerated in the unobservable past.

Second, because the zircons came from Precambrian rocks below the geologic column, currently accepted old-earth interpretations of the geologic column may need serious revision. These and numerous other scientific evidences for a young-earth theory give credence to the Bible’s account of the creation of the earth and universe as found in Genesis.
 
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nathan3

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If your using a Bible that lets you look into the Greek and Hebrew, like the kjv, because you can use a Strong's with it.
The Bible teaches the earth is untold billions of years old.

If your using a Bible that dose not allow for study with a Hebrew and Greek dictionary, because it uses words not keyed to to the Strong's or just straight up adds words that you cant even get from the Greek and Hebrew text, then you wont be able to learn What the bible teaches. Example : "the voice " Bible.

To learn the truth, from the Bible you have to study it ( closest to the Hebrew an Greek meanings you can get ) . and that you'll find is the earth is very old . Not evolution . Only that the earth is very old.
 
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nathan3

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Anyone that wants to search the Bible , look into the Hebrew and Greek together, to read about this right from the Bible ; let me know, and we can talk about it in the Chat room in more detail .
 

Katy-follower

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Edit: I meant to say that I believe mankind may have been here for around 6,000 years.
 
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Human reasoning isn't the problem. The problem is that Alexander the Great introduced the idea of human reasoning apart from divine revelation.
Most of the people posting on this thread belong to Christ, yet they are using Greek type thinking as they respond to this thread.