SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM

[danschance]

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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?
   
   Are you reading the same Bible as others? There are many verses in Acts about the early church both Jew & Gentile in the church keeping the sabbath of the Lord. You are mistaken. There is no mention in the NT of Christians keeping the sabbath. There is mention of some apostles going to synagogue with Jews (See 1 Cor 9:20) to witness to them but do not confuse that as a Christian assembly.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If we must follow the example of Jesus in all things like keeping the Sabbath, then why do Sabbatarians not follow the example of Jesus in circumcision, animal sacrifices and keeping Passover?
   
   Ceremonial laws were a shadow that points to Christ. Don't you know the Bible says Christ is our passover? If you observe parts of the Mosaic law, you will be condemned by the rest of the Mosaic law that you ignore (see James 2:10). According to Col 2:16 the Sabbath is also a shadow of things to come.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If the Sabbath was for Gentiles and Adam, Noah and Abraham, then why is the Sabbath a sign to remind the Jews of their exodus from Egypt? Exodus 16:23,29; 31:13-18. Were either Abraham or Seventh-day Adventists ever slaves in Egypt?
   
   
   Sabbath is a sign of 3 things:- Creation, sanctification & redemption. Christ has brought us out of the bondage of sin. Without posting scripture this is just your opinion.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   Ellen G. White, who is considered inspired by Seventh-day Adventists, said that the Pope changed the Sabbath in about 321 AD. Why do all Adventists today reject their inspired prophet and say the change of the Sabbath occurred in about 140 AD? If White was wrong about this, was she wrong when she traveled to heaven and saw the 4th commandment glowing brighter than all the rest?
   
   Where do you get this info? It is not just Ellen White who says this, many non SDA as well. Not true. There is no historical record of any change from Sabbath to Sunday at 321 AD or 140 AD. It is a myth.
   The Didache"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
   
   The Letter of Barnabas
   "We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
   
   Ignatius of Antioch
   "[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
   
   Justin Martyr
   "[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).
   "But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
   
   Tertullian
   "[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).
   
   The Didascalia
   "The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
   
   Origen
   "Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
   
   Victorinus
   "The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).
   
   Eusebius of Caesarea
   "They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).
   "[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).
   
   This historical evidence proves that Christians from early on gathered together for church on Sunday. There is no evidence that the catholic church changed sabbath observance--it is just a myth.

 

[danschance]

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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   Why has no Sabbatarian every produced even one historical quote (75-500AD) that says Christians kept the Sabbath?
   
   
   They are there you just have not read them. See my last post and note the numerous quotes from early church fathers that completely disagree with you.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If the 10 commandments remain but the book of law was abolished, then why did God put two copies of the 10 commandments in the book of the law? Ex 20; Deut 5
   
   
   
   Are you having trouble understanding the Bible? Exodus 20 is God speaking, Deuteronomy 5 is Moses farewell speech. It would appear that you are obfuscating.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?
   
   
   it was the same commandment spoken in a different way. A "new Commandment" does imply something different or Jesus made a mistake. The New Commandment is the law of Christ. For more on the law of Christ read: What is the law of Christ?
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If the ten commandments are going to be in heaven, what is the use of "thou shalt not commit adultery", if there is no marriage in heaven? Lk 20:34-35
   
   
   You are looking at the letter of the law not the spirit of the law. No, the SDA simply idolize the 10 commandments.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   How could the Sabbath be a sign between God and Israel, if all nations were expected to keep it? Ex 31:17
   
   
   
   Who is Israel and what is the meaning of the name Israel? I had hopped for an answer and not a riddle.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If the Gentiles were supposed to keep the Sabbath, why are they called "strangers of the Covenant" in Eph 2:12?
   
   
   Seems like every question as almost about the sabbath. You have not showed me a text that says the sabbath is no longer blessed by God. Here are texts that indicate the sabbath was not observed by early Christians: 1 Cor, 16:1-2, Acts 20:7, Acts 2:46, Romans 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17, Gal 4:8-10.
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   Originally Posted by danschance

   

   
   If the term "keep my commandments" always means the 10 commandments, then why is this a new commandment? Jn 15:10-12 + Jn 13:34.
   
   
   You already asked about the new commandment. The ark of the covenant in heaven is mentioned in Revelation which has the 10 commandments. The law of Christ is to keep His Commandments as I stated above. Yet he never gave the command to us to observe the Sabbath. Nor is there a single verse after the death of Christ where we are commanded to keep the Sabbath.

If you want a more detailed answer then you should ask one question at a time

 

[danschance]

Christ rose on Sabbath afternoon at/about sunset. Either that is a fact or He was not the Messiah after all...

You are calling the bible a liar?

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9

 

[chips1024]

Seems like every question as almost about the sabbath. You have not showed me a text that says the sabbath is no longer blessed by God. Here are texts that indicate the sabbath was not observed by early Christians: 1 Cor, 16:1-2, Acts 20:7, Acts 2:46, Romans 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17, Gal 4:8-10.

danschance - did you read through any of the verses you put up as evidence that Sabbath was not observed?

1 cor 16:1-2: speaks about people collecting funds on the first day - no mention of Sabbath there
Acts 20:7 and 2:46: on the first day the disciples came and broke bread together and Paul preached to them - no mention of the Sabbath here either - also, if you would read Acts 2:46, the disciples were meeting daily and breaking bread in houses and sharing with all. So if it was a daily occurrence, it cant be the Sabbath (which is a set day that we are to keep holy)
Rom 14:5-6: Speaks about not judging people based on what they eat, don't eat, or which day they consider sacred. Again, no mention of Sabbath or the fact that the apostles changed/replaced/did not keep it.
Col 2:16-17: Speaks about not judging people based on what they eat, don't eat, or which day they consider sacred.. Again, no mention of the Sabbath being changed/replaced/not kept by any of the apostles
Gal 4:8-10: Paul speaks to these people who are turning back from the True God of heaven to their previous gods and keeping their special days and months and seasons and years. No mention of Sabbath at all...

None of the verses you gave say anything about the apostles changing/replacing/not keeping the Sabbath. Please read what the verses are saying before using them to back up something.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are some verses regarding Sabbath in the New Testament:

Mark 2:27 - "Sabbath is made for man, not man for Sabbath" - from this we see that the Sabbath day was made for all mankind, not a select group of people.
Mark 3:4 - "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath, or to do evil?" - Christ acknowledges that it is good to do good on the Sabbath
Mark 6:2 - "And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue" - Christ taught in the synagogue on the Sabbath
Luke 4:16 - "and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day" - it was the custom of Jesus (so a repeated practice/long established practice for Christ) to attend the synagogue on the Sabbath day
Luke 6:6 - "And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught" - Again, Christ is found in the synagogue on the Sabbath teaching
Luke 13:10 - "And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath." - Again, Christ in the synagogue teaching on Sabbath
Luke 23:56 - "And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." - The disciples rested on the Sabbath day when Christ died

The Sabbath seems to be in very full effect during the time of Jesus, and he was often found in the synagogue teaching. In addition, Christ says that He is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). If He is Lord of the Day, would He not also keep it Holy as per the commandment?

Moving forward to after Christ, we also have some Sabbath passages:
Act 13:14 - "they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down" - Apostles were, as Christ was, in the synagogue on the Sabbath day (note: they don't say "First day of the week" or "the lords day")
Acts 13:42,44 - "As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath"; "On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord." - so once again, we see that the Sabbath day was in full effect during the time of the Apostles and that they (as Christ did) taught the people on that day. (note: they don't say "First day of the week" or "the lords day")
Act 17:2 - "As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures" - Here is seems that it was also Paul's custom (like Christs) to go into the synagogues on the Sabbath day
Acts 18:4 - "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks" - once more we find an apostle in the synagogue on the Sabbath day, teaching just like Christ did

Looking at the above, it can be seen that:
1. During Christ's time, the Sabbath command was still in effect
2. After Christ's death, the Sabbath command was still in effect
3. It was the custom of Jesus and Paul to attend a synagogue on the Sabbath day
4. The Sabbath was made for all mankind
5. Christ advocated doing good on the Sabbath day
6. The first day of the week, was decidedly different to the Sabbath day
7. Christs disciples kept the Sabbath day at His death
8. Apostles attended the synagogue on Sabbaths and taught as Christ did

Of all the Sabbath passages, there is not mention of anyone changing or replacing or not observing the Sabbath day.

 

[chips1024]

You are calling the bible a liar?

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9

In Genesis 1 where days began, a day is identified as "the evening and the morning". So a day from a biblical view would be from sunset to sunset not from 12pm -12pm. Following that logic, the first day of the week began on Saturday night, not at 00:00am.

 

[john832]

You are calling the bible a liar?

Nope, just telling you the truth about what it says. Perhaps you can prove how Friday at sunset to Sunday morning before sunrise is three days and three nights.

 

[john832]

Christ rose on Sabbath afternoon at/about sunset. Either that is a fact or He was not the Messiah after all...

Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now I have a seven year old grandson that can see that there is something wrong with counting three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. For one to believe that fable, he must be completely ignorant of math principles.

You are calling the bible a liar?

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9

Now after He had risen on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9

Well, let's see, the first thing we notice is that this occurred AFTER He had risen. He was not rising, He had already risen. His resurrection had already taken place. It was already in the past. But let's not just pull out a verse, let's get all the information...

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Very early, just as the sun was coming up.

Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. - KJV

At the rising of the sun, He was ALREADY GONE! In fact it was not light yet, it was still dark...

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. - KJV

Still dark and He was already gone...

Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Now let's see who is really calling the Bible a liar...

Jesus said He would be in the tomb three days and three nights. How long is a day?

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Christ says there are twelve hours of daylight and then nighttime. We know that from sunset to sunset (daylight and night) is 24 hours. Christ said He would be in the tomb 72 hours...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Three daylight periods and three nighttime periods. 72 hours. When was He put into the tomb?

Mat 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Mat 27:58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
Mat 27:59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
Mat 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

At evening of the daylight portion of the Passover. This is the 14th of the first month and it was Wednesday, April 25 of 31 AD. So when is 72 hours from Wednesday evening just before sunset? Why it is Saturday evening just before sunset.

Christ was in the tomb three days and three nights, just as He said He would be.

Now who is calling the Bible a liar?

 

[danschance]

Nope, just telling you the truth about what it says. Perhaps you can prove how Friday at sunset to Sunday morning before sunrise is three days and three nights.

I listed a scripture which says Jesus rose on Sunday yet you claim he rose on Saturday.

 

[john832]

I listed a scripture which says Jesus rose on Sunday yet you claim he rose on Saturday.

You listed a scripture which says that AFTER HE WAS RISEN. ...

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9

 

[john832]

I listed a scripture which says Jesus rose on Sunday yet you claim he rose on Saturday.

OK, if this be the case, please show me the three days and the three nights. Count 'em for me.

 

[Fishbait]

OK, if this be the case, please show me the three days and the three nights. Count 'em for me.

The evidence for the traditional Friday crucifixion, also known as Good Friday, holds prominence for important reasons. The Jewish reckoning of days included two components different from modern times. This included the day beginning in the evening (as in Genesis 1, evening and morning). Also, part of a day was counted as a full day. In this perspective, a Friday crucifixion was the first day.

Here are the 3 days:

DAY 1- Jesus was buried on Friday afternoon before sunset.

DAY 2 - He remained in the tomb Friday night through Saturday afternoon.

DAY 3 - Jesus continued in the tomb Saturday evening and rose on Sunday morning (evening/day 3), which was the third day.

Mark 15:42 confirms this traditional view, claiming Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath. Jesus also taught He would rise on the third day (Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22).

 

[john832]

The evidence for the traditional Friday crucifixion, also known as Good Friday, holds prominence for important reasons. The Jewish reckoning of days included two components different from modern times. This included the day beginning in the evening (as in Genesis 1, evening and morning). Also, part of a day was counted as a full day. In this perspective, a Friday crucifixion was the first day.

Here are the 3 days:

DAY 1- Jesus was buried on Friday afternoon before sunset.

DAY 2 - He remained in the tomb Friday night through Saturday afternoon.

DAY 3 - Jesus continued in the tomb Saturday evening and rose on Sunday morning (evening/day 3), which was the third day.

Mark 15:42 confirms this traditional view, claiming Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath. Jesus also taught He would rise on the third day (Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22).

And they can call it a space shuttle if they want to. Here is what Jesus Christ says about a day...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Unconverted Jews who do not believe in Christ can determine the day however they choose but Christ, who gave the three day and three night proof, says there are 24 hours in a day.

But let's look at the traditional (brings to mind this Mark 7:1-9)...

Here are the 3 days:

DAY 1- Jesus was buried on Friday afternoon before sunset.

DAY 2 - He remained in the tomb Friday night through Saturday afternoon.

DAY 3 - Jesus continued in the tomb Saturday evening and rose on Sunday morning (evening/day 3), which was the third day.

Friday night through Saturday morning = 1 night and 1 day
Saturday night = 1 night

so we have 2 nights and 1 day. He was gone before the daylight period of Sunday...

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

He was already gone before the daylight period of Sunday. So you are telling me that 2 nights and 1 day fulfills this?

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Sorry, but if this math works for you, we went to different schools.

As far as a Friday crucifixion counting as a day, the statement that Christ made is that He would be in the TOMB three days and three nights. It does not refer to the crucifixion or His death, but the length of time He is in the tomb.

 

[danschance]

OK, if this be the case, please show me the three days and the three nights. Count 'em for me.

There is strong evidence that Jesus rose on Sunday. First scholars do not interpret Mark 16:9 as you do, but instead read it as I did, that Christ rose on Sunday. Secondly, the early Church called Sunday the Lord's day because it was the day he rose on. Numerous statements from early church fathers state Jesus rose on Sunday.

As an example, Barnabus wrote:
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74])

 

[danschance]

The evidence for the traditional Friday crucifixion, also known as Good Friday, holds prominence for important reasons. The Jewish reckoning of days included two components different from modern times. This included the day beginning in the evening (as in Genesis 1, evening and morning). Also, part of a day was counted as a full day. In this perspective, a Friday crucifixion was the first day.

Here are the 3 days:

DAY 1- Jesus was buried on Friday afternoon before sunset.

DAY 2 - He remained in the tomb Friday night through Saturday afternoon.

DAY 3 - Jesus continued in the tomb Saturday evening and rose on Sunday morning (evening/day 3), which was the third day.

Mark 15:42 confirms this traditional view, claiming Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath. Jesus also taught He would rise on the third day (Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22).

Jesus died on Friday as the jews kept days. This means Jesus died on Thursday as we keep our days.

 

[chips1024]

Jesus died on Friday as the jews kept days. This means Jesus died on Thursday as we keep our days.

you are correct in saying in your previous post that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, but I am totally missing where you get this Thursday doctrine from.

According to the gospels, we have the following:
Matt 27
:50 - Jesus dies
:57 - It says "As evening approached..." which implies that Jesus died during the day
:62 - It says "The next day, the one after Preparation Day,..." which implies that Jesus died on Preparation Day during the day

Mark 15
:42 It says "It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, Joseph of Arimathea..." (this was after Christ had died and Joseph was going to ask for Christs body) - this tells us Christ died on Preparation Day and that the day after Preparation Day is the Sabbath

Luke 23
:50-53 speaks of Joseph asking for the body of Jesus and wrapping it in linen cloth and placing it in a tomb.
Then verse 54 says: "It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin."
verse 55-56 further states: "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment."

Now looking at the above verses, we can see that:
1. Christ died during Preparation Day
2. Christ died before the evening had come
3. The Sabbath day was about to begin soon after Joseph had wrapped and placed Jesus in the tomb
4. The women who followed Christ observed the Sabbath day (which is the day after Christ died)

The Sabbath day is on the 7th day - which is Saturday
The day before Sabbath was Preparation Day - which is the day before Saturday = Friday
So Christ died on Friday (Preparation Day)

Not sure where you get this Thursday movement from...

 

[danschance]

you are correct in saying in your previous post that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, but I am totally missing where you get this Thursday doctrine from.

According to the gospels, we have the following:
Matt 27
:50 - Jesus dies
:57 - It says "As evening approached..." which implies that Jesus died during the day
:62 - It says "The next day, the one after Preparation Day,..." which implies that Jesus died on Preparation Day during the day

Mark 15
:42 It says "It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, Joseph of Arimathea..." (this was after Christ had died and Joseph was going to ask for Christs body) - this tells us Christ died on Preparation Day and that the day after Preparation Day is the Sabbath

Luke 23
:50-53 speaks of Joseph asking for the body of Jesus and wrapping it in linen cloth and placing it in a tomb.
Then verse 54 says: "It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin."
verse 55-56 further states: "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment."

Now looking at the above verses, we can see that:
1. Christ died during Preparation Day
2. Christ died before the evening had come
3. The Sabbath day was about to begin soon after Joseph had wrapped and placed Jesus in the tomb
4. The women who followed Christ observed the Sabbath day (which is the day after Christ died)

The Sabbath day is on the 7th day - which is Saturday
The day before Sabbath was Preparation Day - which is the day before Saturday = Friday
So Christ died on Friday (Preparation Day)

Not sure where you get this Thursday movement from...

The Jews did not start their days as we do today. A Jewish day is from sundown to sundown. So Thursday night at sundown is the start of Friday. So the way the Jews start thier day, there is an overlap into our day. I hope that is a clearer for you.

 

[chips1024]

The Jews did not start their days as we do today. A Jewish day is from sundown to sundown. So Thursday night at sundown is the start of Friday. So the way the Jews start thier day, there is an overlap into our day. I hope that is a clearer for you.

Am i missing something here or are you not sure what you are saying and getting confused?
In your previous post you say

Jesus died on Friday as the jews kept days. This means Jesus died on Thursday as we keep our days.

Christ died during the day on Preparation day... which means that He died on Friday as the Jews kept it and on Friday as determined by the world now...
If He has died during Thursday night (as the world views Thursday 00:00-00:00), then that would be the biblical Friday. But we know from scripture that He died during the day, which means that it was daylight on the 6th day which means it was Friday as the world views days and the 6th day as the Bible states.

Is that clearer to you?

 

[Laodicea]

Notice that these texts have 3 days , preparation, Sabbath and the first day.
Luke 23:54-56
(54) and that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on.
(55) And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
(56) and they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luke 24:1
(1) now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

 

[Kerry]

Notice that these texts have 3 days , preparation, Sabbath and the first day.
Luke 23:54-56
(54) and that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on.
(55) And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
(56) and they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luke 24:1
(1) now upon the first dayof the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

That means that Jesus rose on a Sunday. I prefer to celebrate the Resurrection rather than the death.

 

[john832]

That means that Jesus rose on a Sunday. I prefer to celebrate the Resurrection rather than the death.

Care to prove that from the scriptures? If you can, then Christ lied ( and we know the implications there) when He said He would be in the tomb 72 hours.