Who was Lucifer?
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Jruiz, Lucifer is one of the many names for the devil. Others include Beelzebub and Satan. Lucifer is who Satan was before he became a fallen angel and became the devil. The name Lucifer means "bringer of light" or "light bearer" which makes sense because he was once an angel!! He chose to rebel against God so he and some of his fellow angels were banished to hell. He is referred to in Genesis as "the serpent" who tempted Eve. He is referred to as Satan in Matthew 16:23, Acts 5:3, Acts 26:18, and 2 Corinthians 12:7. I do not think he is referred to as Beelzebub anywhere in the bible, although that is a name he is known by. Hope this helps clear up some of your confusion!! 
On the Internet.. Bible scholars and some Christians ...Lucifer is translated to "morning star", or "light bearer". They say that lucifer was a falling king..... In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."
Could you supply book and verse of your proof of statement, as I have heard that many time but have yet to see it supported.
Jruiz, Lucifer is one of the many names for the devil. Others include Beelzebub and Satan. Lucifer is who Satan was before he became a fallen angel and became the devil. The name Lucifer means "bringer of light" or "light bearer" which makes sense because he was once an angel!! He chose to rebel against God so he and some of his fellow angels were banished to hell. He is referred to in Genesis as "the serpent" who tempted Eve. He is referred to as Satan in Matthew 16:23, Acts 5:3, Acts 26:18, and 2 Corinthians 12:7. I do not think he is referred to as Beelzebub anywhere in the bible, although that is a name he is known by. Hope this helps clear up some of your confusion!!
[h=3]Revelation 12:7-9[/h]7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[h=3]Luke 10:18[/h]18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
[h=3]Isaiah 14:12-15[/h]12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[h=3]Luke 10:18[/h]18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
[h=3]Isaiah 14:12-15[/h]12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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Lucifer was the Latin name for the planet Venus, the brightest object in the sky apart from the sun and moon, appearing sometimes as the evening and sometimes as the morning star.
In Isaiah 14:12 it is the translation of hēlēl (‘shining one’: LXX heōsphoros, ‘light-bearer’; cf. the Arabic for Venus, zuhratun, ‘the bright shining one’), and is applied tauntingly as a title for the king of Babylon, who in his glory and pomp had set himself among the gods.
This name is appropriate, as the civilization of Babylon began in the grey dawn of history, and had strong astrological connections. Babylonians and Assyrians personified the morning star as Belit and Ištar respectively.
The reader of the KJV may think of Isaiah 14:12, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!” And in truth the poetic imagery in which Lucifer’s fall is depicted has been borrowed by the traditional concept of the fall of Satan. But Lucifer, son of the morning, is “Day Star, son of Dawn” (RSV). The prophet is proclaiming the downfall of the king of Babylon, who occupied such a high place in the firmament of imperial power that his overthrow can be compared to the morning star being toppled from heaven.
In the Old Testament Satan, or rather “the satan” (the adversary), is chief prosecutor in the heavenly court, and when he fills this role he does so in the presence of God and his angels (Job 1:6–2:7; Zechariah 3:1–5).
So when Jesus speaks of seeing Satan’s fall from heaven he is not thinking of an event in the remote past. He is thinking of the effect of his ministry at the time. He had sent out seventy of his disciples to spread the announcement that the kingdom of God had drawn near, and now they had come back from their mission in great excitement.
“Why,” they said, “even the demons are subject to us in your name!” To this Jesus replied, “I watched how Satan fell, like lightning, out of the sky” (NEB). It is implied that he was watching for this when suddenly, like a flash of lightning, it happened; Satan plummeted—whether to earth or down to the abyss is not said.
Jesus may be describing an actual vision that he experienced during the mission of the seventy—not unlike the vision seen by John of Patmos, when, as he says, war broke out in heaven and “the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray” (Revelation 12:9).
When Jesus’ messengers found that the demons—malignant forces that held men and women in bondage—were compelled to obey them as they commanded them, in Jesus’ name, to come out of those people in whose lives they had taken up residence, this was a sign that the kingdom of God was conquering the kingdom of evil.
Many of the rabbis held that, at the end of the age, God or the Messiah would overthrow Satan. The report of the seventy showed that Satan’s overthrow had already taken place, and Jesus’ vision of his fall from heaven confirmed this.
John’s Patmos version of Satan being ejected similarly indicates that his downfall was the direct result of Jesus’ ministry. So too, when Jesus says in John 12:31, “Now the prince of this world will be driven out,” the adverb now refers to his impending passion, which crowned his ministry.
The downfall of Satan may be regarded as the decisive victory in the campaign; the campaign itself goes on. Hence Jesus’ further words to the exultant disciples: “I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions, and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you” (Luke 10:19).
The “snakes and scorpions” represent the forces of evil; thanks to the work of Christ, his people can trample them underfoot and gain the victory over them. The imagery may be borrowed from Psalm 91:13, where those who trust in God are promised that they “will tread upon the lion and the cobra.”
Paul uses a similar expression when he tells the Christians in Rome that, if they are “wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil,” then the God of peace will soon crush Satan under their feet (Romans 16:19–20). The wording here harks back not so much to Psalm 91 as to the story of man’s first disobedience, where the serpent of Eden is told that its offspring will have its head crushed by the offspring of the woman (Genesis 3:15).
Finally, the seventy are directed not to exult in their spiritual achievements (that way lie pride and catastrophe) but to exult rather in what God has done for them. To have one’s name “written in heaven” is to have received God’s gift of eternal life.
Since the serpent can stand for Satan, as previously stated and see Revelations 12:7–10, 14–15, and 20:2; one may possibly compare here his alternative designation of fallen Day Star (Lucifer), to whom the king of Babylon is likened in Isaiah 14:12, 15; cf. Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2:4.
Make sense?
In Isaiah 14:12 it is the translation of hēlēl (‘shining one’: LXX heōsphoros, ‘light-bearer’; cf. the Arabic for Venus, zuhratun, ‘the bright shining one’), and is applied tauntingly as a title for the king of Babylon, who in his glory and pomp had set himself among the gods.
This name is appropriate, as the civilization of Babylon began in the grey dawn of history, and had strong astrological connections. Babylonians and Assyrians personified the morning star as Belit and Ištar respectively.
The reader of the KJV may think of Isaiah 14:12, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!” And in truth the poetic imagery in which Lucifer’s fall is depicted has been borrowed by the traditional concept of the fall of Satan. But Lucifer, son of the morning, is “Day Star, son of Dawn” (RSV). The prophet is proclaiming the downfall of the king of Babylon, who occupied such a high place in the firmament of imperial power that his overthrow can be compared to the morning star being toppled from heaven.
In the Old Testament Satan, or rather “the satan” (the adversary), is chief prosecutor in the heavenly court, and when he fills this role he does so in the presence of God and his angels (Job 1:6–2:7; Zechariah 3:1–5).
So when Jesus speaks of seeing Satan’s fall from heaven he is not thinking of an event in the remote past. He is thinking of the effect of his ministry at the time. He had sent out seventy of his disciples to spread the announcement that the kingdom of God had drawn near, and now they had come back from their mission in great excitement.
“Why,” they said, “even the demons are subject to us in your name!” To this Jesus replied, “I watched how Satan fell, like lightning, out of the sky” (NEB). It is implied that he was watching for this when suddenly, like a flash of lightning, it happened; Satan plummeted—whether to earth or down to the abyss is not said.
Jesus may be describing an actual vision that he experienced during the mission of the seventy—not unlike the vision seen by John of Patmos, when, as he says, war broke out in heaven and “the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray” (Revelation 12:9).
When Jesus’ messengers found that the demons—malignant forces that held men and women in bondage—were compelled to obey them as they commanded them, in Jesus’ name, to come out of those people in whose lives they had taken up residence, this was a sign that the kingdom of God was conquering the kingdom of evil.
Many of the rabbis held that, at the end of the age, God or the Messiah would overthrow Satan. The report of the seventy showed that Satan’s overthrow had already taken place, and Jesus’ vision of his fall from heaven confirmed this.
John’s Patmos version of Satan being ejected similarly indicates that his downfall was the direct result of Jesus’ ministry. So too, when Jesus says in John 12:31, “Now the prince of this world will be driven out,” the adverb now refers to his impending passion, which crowned his ministry.
The downfall of Satan may be regarded as the decisive victory in the campaign; the campaign itself goes on. Hence Jesus’ further words to the exultant disciples: “I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions, and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you” (Luke 10:19).
The “snakes and scorpions” represent the forces of evil; thanks to the work of Christ, his people can trample them underfoot and gain the victory over them. The imagery may be borrowed from Psalm 91:13, where those who trust in God are promised that they “will tread upon the lion and the cobra.”
Paul uses a similar expression when he tells the Christians in Rome that, if they are “wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil,” then the God of peace will soon crush Satan under their feet (Romans 16:19–20). The wording here harks back not so much to Psalm 91 as to the story of man’s first disobedience, where the serpent of Eden is told that its offspring will have its head crushed by the offspring of the woman (Genesis 3:15).
Finally, the seventy are directed not to exult in their spiritual achievements (that way lie pride and catastrophe) but to exult rather in what God has done for them. To have one’s name “written in heaven” is to have received God’s gift of eternal life.
Since the serpent can stand for Satan, as previously stated and see Revelations 12:7–10, 14–15, and 20:2; one may possibly compare here his alternative designation of fallen Day Star (Lucifer), to whom the king of Babylon is likened in Isaiah 14:12, 15; cf. Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2:4.
Make sense?
First let us review Revelation 12:7-9: this is about a time to come and you offer it without explanation (Which is arrogant.); so what description does these verses offer? Devil was translated from the descriptive word "diaballo" meaning to traduce and "Satan" was translated from "Satanas" a word that means "the accuser". Then there is the word angel translated from the word "aggelos" which means "a messenger". so what do we have here but something that is to happen in the future and the messengers with Michael will war with the messengers from the "traducing accuser". and at that time they will be cast down into the earth. Now to Luke 10:18, what description of who Satan is are you presuming to exist here?
As far as Isaiah 14: 12-15, you are applying what was spoken to the king of Babylon as though it where speaking about Satan. You are grasping straws here and it shows, don't you know that the Lord Himself said the traditions of man make the word of God as though it never had been! Regardless the post was about who, not what he was to do!
As far as Isaiah 14: 12-15, you are applying what was spoken to the king of Babylon as though it where speaking about Satan. You are grasping straws here and it shows, don't you know that the Lord Himself said the traditions of man make the word of God as though it never had been! Regardless the post was about who, not what he was to do!
I asked one question. How is that arrogance? Did I condemn you? Did I shame you? How did I show the spirit of Satan by asking one question? Did I say the masons were good or bad? No. I did not. I asked ONE question and you clearly avoided the answer. So before you accuse someone of judging then you might want to look in the mirror. Accusing someone of having the spirit of Satan is a strong accusation.
Really? so what kind of presumption was necessary for you to ask,"What degree mason are you?"?
you now act like you were innocently asking a true inquiry, Just stop and repent. I am someone whom appreciates the fellowship God is willing to share so freely and my savor is the Lord Yeshua (Jesus for the unschooled)
you now act like you were innocently asking a true inquiry, Just stop and repent. I am someone whom appreciates the fellowship God is willing to share so freely and my savor is the Lord Yeshua (Jesus for the unschooled)
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My source for the definition of Lucifer was from:
Wheaton, D. H. (1996). Lucifer. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman, Ed.) (3rd ed.) (702). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
The other sources I used in my response are the following:
Kaiser, W. C., Jr., Davids, P. H., Bruce, F. F., & Brauch, M. T. (1996). Hard sayings of the Bible (302). Downers Grove, IL: Intervarsity.
and
Ryken, L., Wilhoit, J., Longman, T., Duriez, C., Penney, D., & Reid, D. G. (2000). Dictionary of biblical imagery (electronic ed.) (761–762). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
My information comes from scholarly reputable sources.
Wheaton, D. H. (1996). Lucifer. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman, Ed.) (3rd ed.) (702). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
The other sources I used in my response are the following:
Kaiser, W. C., Jr., Davids, P. H., Bruce, F. F., & Brauch, M. T. (1996). Hard sayings of the Bible (302). Downers Grove, IL: Intervarsity.
and
Ryken, L., Wilhoit, J., Longman, T., Duriez, C., Penney, D., & Reid, D. G. (2000). Dictionary of biblical imagery (electronic ed.) (761–762). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
My information comes from scholarly reputable sources.
I thought that the verses from Revelation can also talk about what happened in Heaven, not necessarily about the times to come since it is said "neither was their place found anymore in Heaven". I believe the word dragon is used as a parabole for how great and irremediable the fall of the archangel was. It also talks about Lucifer taking with him a troop of angels, maybe the same troop that he, as an archangel, was leading.
Jesus Christ says that He saw Lucifer falling like a lightning from Heaven. I presume that this verse, along with verses from Ezekiel and Isaiah talk about Lucifer as having been a good angel once.
I believe that there is a paralelism between the fall of the angel and the fall of the king of Babylon.
Indeed, in my church, we have the Saint Tradition that is held as a revelation from God along with the Bible.
Jesus Christ says that He saw Lucifer falling like a lightning from Heaven. I presume that this verse, along with verses from Ezekiel and Isaiah talk about Lucifer as having been a good angel once.
I believe that there is a paralelism between the fall of the angel and the fall of the king of Babylon.
Indeed, in my church, we have the Saint Tradition that is held as a revelation from God along with the Bible.