Who was Lucifer?

I am pleased to begin again, I may be course and abrasive when I fell attacked, but it is from 20 years of hearing unsupportable traditions given as though scripture. Forgive me for my bluntness but I communicate with so many different posts and emails per day, that I have little time to sugar coat thing (Sugar coating, something that never seem to work anyway). May the Lord bless and Keep you.

Who realy was lucifer and why is he only mentioned once in the bible? Why do people refer lucifer to satin? I'm just hearing a lot of controversy over who lucifer realy was..

If lucifer was a fallen king, then how did satin come about?

All is forgotten. We are good

i dont sugar coat much and I'm certainly not one who is politically correct. so we may get along fine.
I haven't studied this who thing on lucifer but I am interested in your views in it. It does seem that lucifer is not satan and i
mention he could be Herod but not sure. Worth learning though

Jruiz, Lucifer is NOT a fallen king. He is a fallen ANGEL. When God cast him out of heaven, Lucifer's name became Satan..He is better known as the devil. Satan is the great liar and destroyer. He rebelled against God in heaven so God expelled him out and down to hell. His mission here on earth is to lie, and deceive and destroy us and our faith and belief in God. That is how Satan "came about."

Lucifer was the most powerful angel created by God who enjoyed a very High Position near God's Throne.Satan means 'adversary'.If i am correct 'satan' came from Hebrew 'ha satan' which means the adversary.
And you are wrong,the term lucifer or luciferian doctrines are still used in satanic culture,its word wide with satanic churches which promotes self pride,abominations and wicked rituals following it.This is the root cause of all the evil on earth,which when Christ returns will cut if from roots sending it back to hell with satan(the old dragon) who was once i think the most respected of all angels in Heaven,who got very arrogant and thought of getting higher to God's throne and sit on it and become God.satan was Lucifer then,before he was struck down.And God struck him down along with 1/3 rd of the Heavenly Hosts that joined in his(satan's) rebellion(against God).That was an angelic war with God's obedient Angels pushing them(satan and his hordes) down from God's presence in greater Heavenly realms.(beyond Second Heaven i guess) These are the fallen angels,with satan(fallen lucifer)being their head.Read book of Isaiah.Do not read other crappy books talking about it which can mislead because as Jesus said "satan is a liar and he is the father of all lies".
God Bless.Read KJV 1611 version if english is the language you are comfortable with.

If something is confusing,meditate and Pray to God.He will give all the answers you need in time.Do not go to people and get mislead in future.

Could be this one?

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Lucifer was the most powerful angel created by God who enjoyed a very High Position near God's Throne.Satan means 'adversary'.If i am correct 'satan' came from Hebrew 'ha satan' which means the adversary.
And you are wrong,the term lucifer or luciferian doctrines are still used in satanic culture,its word wide with satanic churches which promotes self pride,abominations and wicked rituals following it.This is the root cause of all the evil on earth,which when Christ returns will cut if from roots sending it back to hell with satan(the old dragon) who was once i think the most respected of all angels in Heaven,who got very arrogant and thought of getting higher to God's throne and sit on it and become God.satan was Lucifer then,before he was struck down.And God struck him down along with 1/3 rd of the Heavenly Hosts that joined in his(satan's) rebellion(against God).That was an angelic war with God's obedient Angels pushing them(satan and his hordes) down from God's presence in greater Heavenly realms.(beyond Second Heaven i guess) These are the fallen angels,with satan(fallen lucifer)being their head.Read book of Isaiah.Do not read other crappy books talking about it which can mislead because as Jesus said "satan is a liar and he is the father of all lies".
God Bless.Read KJV 1611 version if english is the language you are comfortable with.

If something is confusing,meditate and Pray to God.He will give all the answers you need in time.Do not go to people and get mislead in future.

Traditional gibberish unless you can prove what you say from the Bible without adding to the words to do so. Very little of what you say here is in the Bible at all. You know millstone and all that!

No. That's the last translation you want to read, if you want to understand what you're reading. Why do you and your type constantly point people to seriously out-dated and archaic translations of the Bible? The common man and woman should be able to understand God's Word. You're just encouraging roadblocks to the Gospel.

Woodartdon, Isaiah 28:13 speaks of Lucifer as he was in heaven, before he fell and became Satan. It says: "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx and the jasper. The sapphire, the emerald and the carbuncle; and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared for thee in the day that thou wast created."

God is describing here how Lucifer looked while he was still an angel. He was dressed in bright shiny jewels, therefore the name "light bringer." Jewels glisten brightly when in the sunlight. As did Lucifer until he was cast out of heaven.

Isaiah 14:12-15 details Lucifer's fall from heaven, where he became the satanic creature he is today. " How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high; yet thou shalt be brought down to the sides of the pit."

This details WHY Lucifer got cast out of heaven. He became prideful, arrogant and jealous. So God cast him down to earth to rot in hell for all eternity. Satan became his name when he was cast down.

Myself and other posters keep giving you scriptures to prove our points. If you're not satisfied, then open your bible and give US scriptural references. Prove to US who Lucifer/Satan is. I dont preach, nor is detailing who Lucifer/Satan is not a tradition. Lucifer and Satan is a known FACT, not a myth or tradition. Myself and other posters here are simply trying to answer the OP here. If you are unsatisfied with our answers, then give us an answer of your own as to who Lucifer and Satan are.

what do you want?what bible do you use?are you here to argue or confront truth?i am not a perfect bible scholar.

Tell what do you know about satan and which bible do you use to say so?

You ask what I want?! Did you not read my post? Then you boast yourself as the one with truth, How piously arrogant you are sir! I pray you find an open mind leading to a friendship with Yhvh.

Clearly you are here playing.What is wrong with KJV1611?
Who is lucifer according to you?where did satan come from?
Give details,scroll up to the comment i gave with details and you can check it with Holy Scripture.Don't cause confusion without presenting any detail.Cool down.

Lucifer, Satan and the Devil Click on that.

Clearly you are being defensive but to answer your question just one more time: The king James is not in any way a translation of the original scripts. Any encyclopedia will tell you that King James edict was as follows: "The translators are to follow the original scrips except where it differs from the pope's bible." King James words not mine! So regardless your preferred translation, only a willingness to be blind to facts exists unless truth is sought in the original scripts! As far as your demand for me to give the details: How hypocritical of you to offer absolutely no details in most all of your post and after that being pointed out to you, you demand the same only you want it first! You should be ashamed to publish reflecting such an self serving earthly spirit.

In this first section, we have a prophecy to a "Prince" of Tyre and by the description it's clearly a man...


Ezekiel 28:2

But then the prophecy continues on to Ezekiel 28:12, where another prophecy is given to a "King" of Tyre. But by comparing Ezekiel 28:2-11 to the following passage, this "king" is clearly not a man...


Ezekiel 28:12-13

...So this "king" was old enough to be present in Eden, and was perfect in beauty...


Ezekiel 28:14

This "king" was also a class of (what we call) angel called a "cherub", who's primary function was "to cover"...but to cover what? Well if we pause Ezekiel's passage for a moment and reference Exodus 25:17-22:


Exodus 25:17-22

There is no other place (I can find) in scripture where cherubs are associated with "covering" except the throne (mercy seat). Other places cherubs either guard or bear the Lord as a chariot...so if this "king" was "a cherub who covers" then he was of a rank so high that he was one of only two beings that stood beside and covered the very throne of God; a throne that's in the most holiest place of heaven. So this "king" possibly stood by the Most High God of all creation.

[Now if we extrapolate more information from the fact that Christ, The Son, is at God's right hand then it’s probable this "king" was the one figuratively at God's left hand...possibly (if we are to rely on the tabernacle furnishings of the mercy seat as an image of heavenly truth). And if his nature is "to accuse" (i.e. judgment), to me - at least - the left hand would be fitting because as Christ's nature is "to have mercy", this would fit the figurative "arms" of God (judgment and mercy)...but this is just a side study of mine and not completely relevant to the identity of this being we call "Lucifer".]

Continuing with Ezekiel 28...


Ezekiel 28:15

This "king" was perfect until iniquity was found in him, and he was to be "cast out". There is only one main rival in the gospels (Luke 10:18) and Revelation 12 who's associated with being "cast out" of heaven, and that was "The Dragon", "Hasatan". Continuing with Ezekiel 28...


Ezekiel 28:17-19
Now while there are passages that refer to the "angels" as "morning stars" (which shine), in Isaiah 14:12 there is a particular "shining one" ("helel", translated "Lucifer") being prophesied against who has "fallen from heaven". So while the word "lucifer" doesn't appear to be a proper noun, it was a designation for this heavenly being who fell.

So in the Ezekiel prophecy this "king" - who was a “bright” covering cherub - defiled himself and was to be cast down from heaven...and then after that, is to be “brought to ashes (i.e. burned)” for all to witness. This is exactly what the following Revelation prophecy say happens to satan.


Revelation 12:9-10; 20:10

The Dragon, That “old serpent” (a call back to Eden), The devil, satan is cast out...and then later he is hurled in the lake of fire. So this passage links to Ezekiel's passage; satan is the same as "the old serpent from Eden" and the same as "the King of Tyre" and "the cherub who covered", so he was an angel formerly of such a high rank that he had a presence in the most holy place. He was/is an angel of such beauty and brilliance that he allowed himself to become vain; prideful and he fell.


2 Corinthians 11:14

It is obvious that you have a Bible translation and what it says is all you stand on. But while you are being so knowledgeable, let me ask you a key question: What do you think about Jeremiah 8:8? Also if you could support your statements with more evidence, it is needed. Thank you.