I am not sure it is a cult as much as it is his own puffed up belief. I mean seriously.. I am just shocked over here.
Only one true church in the bible.
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eternally-gratefull
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might be. but I have been exposed to his cult. that is not the only belief they hod which is there.
it sounds like like the former boston sect of CoC's.. which is extremely dangerous cult.
Concerning Colossians 3:16 Let the word of God dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord....
Exactly where does it say to not use a piano, harp any musical instrument? You might argue that it does not say to use a instrument and I would agree....BUT,
The O.T. is full of instrumental music put to PSALMS and there is evidence of musical instruments in heaven and I will remind you....
For I am the Lord, I change not..
Jesus Christ the same today, tomorrow for ever
No variableness and or shadow of turning
GOD IS CONSISTENT ------>O.T. instruments, Heavenly Instruments and going by the consistency of God I will say we would not be out of order to use instruments in worship in our time as well.
Again, one verse out of context and used to say something that God does not say!
Exactly where does it say to not use a piano, harp any musical instrument? You might argue that it does not say to use a instrument and I would agree....BUT,
The O.T. is full of instrumental music put to PSALMS and there is evidence of musical instruments in heaven and I will remind you....
For I am the Lord, I change not..
Jesus Christ the same today, tomorrow for ever
No variableness and or shadow of turning
GOD IS CONSISTENT ------>O.T. instruments, Heavenly Instruments and going by the consistency of God I will say we would not be out of order to use instruments in worship in our time as well.
Again, one verse out of context and used to say something that God does not say!
You really need to study. I never said a word about those of the O.T. going to hell, as this is your saying. Those of the O.T. are authorized to use instruments and this has no effect on their soul, as it was permitted I have been talking about N.T. times, you know, NOW. These were the one's I been talking about while obviously you were in your own little world out there somewhere. Next time pay attention.
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eternally-gratefull
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to note. That passage does not talk about a sunday meeting either.
It is talking about when we do Gods will. Getting together often. Which his body should do.
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JDecree
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Why are there so many groups that take a stand on one issue and make it what their church IS? The one issue that is the end all be all sign that you are a Christian, usually something taken to the extreme and out of context.
The church of instruments(you don't use them in worship, you are saved)
The church of the Sabbath(let me be clear, I mean using the Sabbath as a means to salvation)
The church of tongues(you speak them, you are saved)
The church of skin color(you have a certain skin tone you can/cant be saved)
I'm sure there are many many many more. In fact I was involved in such a group. I thought I had some special knowledge about this "ignored" and rebelled against teaching and that so few understood it. I found myself feeling sorry for all the poor poor believers out there who were missing this one teaching. To the point where I began to worry for their salvation(and was all the more confident in mine because I was "obedient" to this teaching). It was my assurance. "Well, I may be involved in this or that sin, but at least I am doing this teaching."
It was like straining out a non-existent gnat, and swallowing a camel(by condemning those who ate that non-existent gnat). You would think being in such a position would keep me humble when I see others falling for similar things but unfortunately my emotions get the best of me.
I just cant stand for people condemning WHOLE CHURCHES the world over based on a case as weak as I see being made here. I WONT STAND FOR IT. You don't know the damage that can be done.
May God have mercy on all of us...
The church of instruments(you don't use them in worship, you are saved)
The church of the Sabbath(let me be clear, I mean using the Sabbath as a means to salvation)
The church of tongues(you speak them, you are saved)
The church of skin color(you have a certain skin tone you can/cant be saved)
I'm sure there are many many many more. In fact I was involved in such a group. I thought I had some special knowledge about this "ignored" and rebelled against teaching and that so few understood it. I found myself feeling sorry for all the poor poor believers out there who were missing this one teaching. To the point where I began to worry for their salvation(and was all the more confident in mine because I was "obedient" to this teaching). It was my assurance. "Well, I may be involved in this or that sin, but at least I am doing this teaching."
It was like straining out a non-existent gnat, and swallowing a camel(by condemning those who ate that non-existent gnat). You would think being in such a position would keep me humble when I see others falling for similar things but unfortunately my emotions get the best of me.
I just cant stand for people condemning WHOLE CHURCHES the world over based on a case as weak as I see being made here. I WONT STAND FOR IT. You don't know the damage that can be done.
May God have mercy on all of us...
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eternally-gratefull
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No, You need to pay attention.
It has already been proven to you those passages do not speak of a church meeting, they speak of our every day lives. So you are in sin if what you say is true, you should never touch a drum. period.
Give me a break, look it's all about singing or the use of instruments. In O.T. it was ok to use instruments, but the verse Colossians and Ephesian is telling you God wants singing only in N.T. time. So the O.T. times talk about instruments, that's great, but now you're in N.T. times and it not only doesn't mention instruments, it authorizes you to sing, and please instruments in heaven is just that, in heaven and has nothing to do with now.
Well I guess you want to stop all the bands at school and throughout the world if this is what you believe about playing drums at home or in other places. What God wants in us worshipping him is what God get's, and that singing only. I can and have given proof for singing in the N.T. times, now you give me proof where it says to use instruments in the N.T. times.
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eternally-gratefull
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No. You proved God wants us to sing song in our every day lives as we are walking with God (which is what those verses say)
what you failed to do is show no instruments are allowed. and destroyed the context by saying it is just in church.
you have been taught some very sad doctrines.
I pray you get out of your cult and seek and find the true God of love
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eternally-gratefull
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that is sad. because the verses you posted said you should do it at all time. I guess you are just filled with the spirit on sunday morning?
your missing so much
You have to be open to learning and instruction to do so and it is quite obvious that he is not and will ride that train straight to the pit.
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eternally-gratefull
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Genlivin4him247
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I totally agree. Look at King David and how he worshiped the Lord in Psalms and with instruments. In reality we have been commanded to worship the Lord with instruments as well as with Singing. What is the most important is the state of our heart, commitment and desire unto the Lord in giving him our Worship and Praise. Not in judging others. God's word does not change and he commanded in the Old testament to praise and worship him with song, dance and with different instruments. No one can change what the Word of God says unto us.
It does not matter if there were 50 million of you...the truth is the truth and you my friend don't have it as you trust in your religious heresy over what the bible has to say while twisting one or two verses out of context and then make a stand on it even in light of the consistency of God and how instruments have been used in all ages to worship God in spirit and in truth...Just because some lovers of money (Duck Dynasty) believes something doesn't make it true or biblical which proves that your philosophy is false. The one I follow has a last name Christ, not Cambell......
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Tintin
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Double-standards are double-standards. We've explained why consistency is necessary, if you say you hold to something.