Who was Lucifer?
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Are you are Satan worshiper? A lot of thing are said here that aren't Biblical but traditional and I was just wondering if you were one? There are also a lot of atheists here maybe you are one of them? do you see the logic (You are using.) yourself here? I have already stated my stance before God in response to your earlier post, did you not read the whole of the post?
First let us review Revelation 12:7-9: this is about a time to come and you offer it without explanation (Which is arrogant.); so what description does these verses offer? Devil was translated from the descriptive word "diaballo" meaning to traduce and "Satan" was translated from "Satanas" a word that means "the accuser". Then there is the word angel translated from the word "aggelos" which means "a messenger". so what do we have here but something that is to happen in the future and the messengers with Michael will war with the messengers from the "traducing accuser". and at that time they will be cast down into the earth. Now to Luke 10:18, what description of who Satan is are you presuming to exist here?
As far as Isaiah 14: 12-15, you are applying what was spoken to the king of Babylon as though it where speaking about Satan. You are grasping straws here and it shows, don't you know that the Lord Himself said the traditions of man make the word of God as though it never had been! Regardless the post was about who, not what he was to do!
As far as Isaiah 14: 12-15, you are applying what was spoken to the king of Babylon as though it where speaking about Satan. You are grasping straws here and it shows, don't you know that the Lord Himself said the traditions of man make the word of God as though it never had been! Regardless the post was about who, not what he was to do!
Woodarton, re-read my original post. I give several scripture verses where he is referred to as Satan. In Isaiah 14:12-15, he is referred to as Lucifer. Satan and Lucifer are one and the same, only he received the name satan after he fell. 
Revelation 12:7-9 states: "And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
This is referring to the rebellion in heaven when Michael (now Satan) rebelled against God and God cast him and his angels out of Heaven. The dragon referred to here is Satan, aka the devil.
The original OP asked WHO Lucifer was, and I am trying to answer her question. Now to Luke 10:18, which states: "And he (Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven." Jesus specifically refers to him as Satan in this verse.
As far as Isaiah 14:12-15 states: " How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
All of these verses specifically talk about Lucifer/Satan being cast out of heaven by God, down to the pits of hell where he will reside throughout eternity and beyond.
Michael/Lucifer/Satan was cast out of heaven long before God created the world. Woodartdon, I would advise you to brush up on your bible-reading!!
The word "devil" is derived from the ancient Greek word "diabolos", which means "slanderer". We know that Satan/Lucifer is a slanderer!! **source: ChaCha.com
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The name Satan, in its Biblical setting, is formed from the three Hebrew characters ש (Sin), ט (Tehth), and נ (Nun). With their vowel points, these letters form the word “Satan,” which, according to scholar Edward Langton, is “derived from a root which means ‘to oppose,’ or ‘to be or to act as an adversary.’” (Compare 1 Peter 5:8.)
It is noteworthy that the Hebrew text uses the expression has·Sa·tan′ (the Satan) in the accounts in Job, showing that reference is being made to the one who is outstandingly the resister of God.—See also Zechariah 3:1, 2, footnote in NW Reference edition.
above article taken from yahoo answers.
As you can see, Satan/Lucifer/the devil are all one and the same!!! We all know that he was an angel before he fell out of favor with God. There's no disputing that.
This is referring to the rebellion in heaven when Michael (now Satan) rebelled against God and God cast him and his angels out of Heaven. The dragon referred to here is Satan, aka the devil.
The original OP asked WHO Lucifer was, and I am trying to answer her question. Now to Luke 10:18, which states: "And he (Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven." Jesus specifically refers to him as Satan in this verse.
As far as Isaiah 14:12-15 states: " How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
All of these verses specifically talk about Lucifer/Satan being cast out of heaven by God, down to the pits of hell where he will reside throughout eternity and beyond.
Michael/Lucifer/Satan was cast out of heaven long before God created the world. Woodartdon, I would advise you to brush up on your bible-reading!!
The word "devil" is derived from the ancient Greek word "diabolos", which means "slanderer". We know that Satan/Lucifer is a slanderer!! **source: ChaCha.com
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The name Satan, in its Biblical setting, is formed from the three Hebrew characters ש (Sin), ט (Tehth), and נ (Nun). With their vowel points, these letters form the word “Satan,” which, according to scholar Edward Langton, is “derived from a root which means ‘to oppose,’ or ‘to be or to act as an adversary.’” (Compare 1 Peter 5:8.)
It is noteworthy that the Hebrew text uses the expression has·Sa·tan′ (the Satan) in the accounts in Job, showing that reference is being made to the one who is outstandingly the resister of God.—See also Zechariah 3:1, 2, footnote in NW Reference edition.
above article taken from yahoo answers.
As you can see, Satan/Lucifer/the devil are all one and the same!!!
We all know that he was an angel before he fell out of favor with God. There's no disputing that. 
My friend,
Saint Archangel Michael is not Satan, but a warrior of God.
Joshua 5:13-14
The Fall of Jericho
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[SUP][a][/SUP] have for his servant?”
Daniel 10:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
Daniel 12:1
The End Times
12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
Jude 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But even the Archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[SUP][a]
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There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.
Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).
Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).
To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. Read more: Is Lucifer Satan? Does the fall of Lucifer describe Satan?
Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).
Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).
To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. Read more: Is Lucifer Satan? Does the fall of Lucifer describe Satan?
I don't dance. I asked you a simple question, and later on apologized for offending you yet you continue to elevate this to a level of pure insanity.
IF you arent a mason then ok. If you arent a mormon then ok.
The thing is I do study up on different beliefs so I may know ahead of time what posters believe. I prefer to know what others are talking about instead of pretending to. What the OP has said is quite similar to some particular beliefs that I mentioned. That is why I asked you, and believe me I am truly sorry I offended you. So there is really no need in continuing this bickering fest. K?
Can we please start over?
IF you arent a mason then ok. If you arent a mormon then ok.
The thing is I do study up on different beliefs so I may know ahead of time what posters believe. I prefer to know what others are talking about instead of pretending to. What the OP has said is quite similar to some particular beliefs that I mentioned. That is why I asked you, and believe me I am truly sorry I offended you. So there is really no need in continuing this bickering fest. K?
Can we please start over?
BACK TO THE OP!!!!
The KJV is the only bible that translates Isaiah 14:12 as "Lucifer"
The term "Lucifer" was taken from Jerome's Latin Vulgate edition of the bible, and the Hebrew word is "Heylel" which is translatd to "Shining". By that translation Jerome assumed it was referring to morning star. Hence the name "Lucifer"
Because of this people became to think that Satan is Lucifer, but the fact is there is no evidence that Isaiah was referring to Satan.
IF one looked back at verse 11 it talks about worms eating his body. Satan has no body, and verse 16 refers to him as a MAN. Satan is not a man. Apparently Lucifer is.
The KJV is the only bible that translates Isaiah 14:12 as "Lucifer"
The term "Lucifer" was taken from Jerome's Latin Vulgate edition of the bible, and the Hebrew word is "Heylel" which is translatd to "Shining". By that translation Jerome assumed it was referring to morning star. Hence the name "Lucifer"
Because of this people became to think that Satan is Lucifer, but the fact is there is no evidence that Isaiah was referring to Satan.
IF one looked back at verse 11 it talks about worms eating his body. Satan has no body, and verse 16 refers to him as a MAN. Satan is not a man. Apparently Lucifer is.
ISn't "Lucifer" Herod?
Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died. acts 12:23
Isaiah 14:11 11All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,along with the noise of your harps;maggots are spread out beneath youand worms cover you.
Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died. acts 12:23
Isaiah 14:11 11All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,along with the noise of your harps;maggots are spread out beneath youand worms cover you.