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That is not so. The sacrifice of animals in the Old Testement represented the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us by being beaten for our healing, crucified on the cross for our sin which made it possible for us to become saved and resurrected for us so that we may have eternal life with him in heaven. But NO where does the Word of God rescind those commandments on how we are to worship and praise God which are stated in Psalms. Just like no where are the 10 commandment rescinded in the Word of God. Psalm is a proper and sound reference in telling us and teaching us on how we should Worship and Praise the Lord.
 
I have answered you plain and simple. And again I believe that those gifts are given to all who desire and receive them not just the apostles. Those gifts are in existence to this day plain and simple.
 
Miracles happen every day. Remember Senator, Gabby Giffords she was shot in the head a few years ago and was placed in a coma and the doctors were not sure whether she would even wake up and if she did she would not make as much of a recovery as she did. That was a God thing. Called a miracle. You say miracles don't exist, she is living proof they do. Laying on hands happen daily. Speaking in tongues is another way we communicate with God in a more personal way.
I am not saying it wasn't a blessing that she recovered how she did, but a miracle would be a full recovery without medical/scientific explanation. When Jesus and the apostles healed they were healed completely. Not just partially. One needs to be careful what they call a "miracle" to make sure they aren't downgrading the power of the Lord.
 
Hello, we do not play instruments in our church. But you placing judgement on others, stating their soul is lost is wrong. God is our judge.
 
We need to worship and praise the Lord each and every day of our lives. Not just on Sunday!!!!!!! You do not worship and praise the Lord biblically. You judge others that don't go to your church as being sinners and unsaved because they go to a different church than you. That is legalism. I am Christian and I serve the Lord with everything that is in me to the core. Who are you to judge me or others that are. We go to are churches to be fed and those churches are very much Christian and that the Church according to the Word is the Bride of Christ. You need to stop judging and ridiculing us because we are Living the Word of the Lord which is the bible an for what ever reason you want to twist that word to suit yourself.
 
We need to worship and praise the Lord each and every day of our lives. Not just on Sunday!!!!!!! You do not worship and praise the Lord biblically. You judge others that don't go to your church as being sinners and unsaved because they go to a different church than you. That is legalism. I am Christian and I serve the Lord with everything that is in me to the core. Who are you to judge me or others that are. We go to are churches to be fed and those churches are very much Christian and that the Church according to the Word is the Bride of Christ. You need to stop judging and ridiculing us because we are Living the Word of the Lord which is the bible an for what ever reason you want to twist that word to suit yourself.
who are you even talking to?
 
I am done with this thread it seems to be going in a circle. I'm not going to waste my time when it is not even received.
 
Miracles happen every day. Remember Senator, Gabby Giffords she was shot in the head a few years ago and was placed in a coma and the doctors were not sure whether she would even wake up and if she did she would not make as much of a recovery as she did. That was a God thing. Called a miracle. You say miracles don't exist, she is living proof they do. Laying on hands happen daily. Speaking in tongues is another way we communicate with God in a more personal way.
A miracle is when someone is dead, biologically dead, beyond resuscitation and is then immediately brought back to life, that's a miracle. If laying on hands is still existing, then why are we not laying our hands at the hospital and having EVERYBODY healed, because the bible says the one that's laying on hands is the one responsible for the person being healed, not the person that is sick. When you lay hands on someone and they don't get better you blame them for not having faith, but as I said the person laying on hands is the one that has to have the faith, so if it doesn't work, it's the one laying on of hands fault, not the recipient. Speaking in tongues was the ability to talk to someone in their own language, for instance, if I spoke French and you didn't but all of a sudden you could, then that would be speaking in tongues. A Fall from Grace →
Have Miracles Ceased?




Miracles do not continue today. First, look at the quality of miracles that people claim to perform today. Where are the ones who can walk on the water? Where are the ones who can still the storms? Where are the ones who can raise the dead? Where are the ones who can make the deaf hear? Where are the ones who can make the blind see? Where are the ones who can heal a withered arm? These are all the quality of miracles that occur within the Bible. You will never find a single person who can perform this quality of miracle. Instead, you find people trying to perform more ambiguous type miracles–things that are not obviously miracles. You find people shaking around on the ground. You find people speaking in “tongues” which are not tongues at all according to the Bible definition of tongues (read Acts 2:1-11 and pay attention to what tongues are in this passage). You find people being healed of diseases that they can’t see or define. The quality of miracles that you have today is simply not the same as what Jesus and the apostles did.
Second, though, and perhaps more importantly, the Bible says that miracles have ceased. While 1 Corinthians 13 is mostly looked at as the great chapter of love in the Bible, that is not what is under consideration by the apostle in the broader context of the book. Paul is discussing the use of miraculous gifts in chapters 12-14 of 1 Corinthians. In chapter 13 he is drawing a distinction between miracles and the way of love. Notice what he says in the middle of the chapter regarding what is going to remain and what is going to cease (verse 8). “Charity (love) never faileth: but whether there be prophesies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.” The miraculous is going to cease but love is not. That is the contrast that Paul is drawing.
Now at the end of the chapter he adds two more things to the concept of love that shall not cease. These three things together are faith, hope, and love. These three will abide, but the miraculous will cease. Some people say that miracles have not ceased now, but will cease when Jesus comes. This is what they say “that which is perfect” means in verse 10. However, “that which is perfect” cannot mean Jesus because when Jesus comes hope will be done away with. Paul writes in Romans 8:24 “For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?” When Jesus comes again, we will see Him and no longer have hope in Him. If “that which is perfect” is Jesus, then not only must miracles cease at that time, but hope as well. But Paul says in verse 13 that hope abides. So “that which is perfect” must be something other than Jesus. In fact, “that which is perfect” has already come. “That which is perfect” is the completely revealed word of God. James calls it the “perfect law of liberty” in James 1:25. Additionally, we read that Ephesians 4:7-13 also talks about when miracles will end. The gifts that were given (apostles, prophets, etc) were given UNTIL we all come to the “unity of the faith.” This means that when the “Unity of the Faith” came, there was no longer a need for the miraculous gifts. The unity of the faith is no less than God’s complete revealed word.
To phrase the argument succinctly:
1. Miraculous gifts will cease, but faith, hope, and love will abide ( 1 Cor. 13:8,13).
2. Miraculous gifts will cease when that which is perfect comes ( 1 Cor. 13:10).
3. Faith, hope, and love will continue when that which is perfect comes ( 1 Cor. 10:13).
4. Hope can’t continue when Jesus comes because hope that is seen is not hope and Jesus will be seen (Romans 8:24).
5. So, that which is perfect can’t be Jesus’ coming because then hope would not abide.
6. Therefore, that which is perfect must come after the time Paul writes and before Jesus comes again.
7. Therefore, miracles must cease sometime after Paul writes and before Jesus comes again.
8. This was going to happen when the “unity of the faith” came ( Eph. 4:13).
9. The “unity of the faith” came after John wrote the book of Revelation ( Rev. 22:18,19).
10. Miraculous gifts ended after John wrote the book of Revelation.
Finally, we must take into account the purpose of miracles. We read in Mark 16:20, “And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.” The purpose of miracles was to confirm the word of God. They did not have a Bible like you and I have. They had people who were preaching. They needed something to show that what they were preaching and saying was the truth. God gave witness to them through miracles that what they were saying was the truth. This is the purpose of miracles.
 
I am done with this thread it seems to be going in a circle. I'm not going to waste my time when it is not even received.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Tell me what way would be helpful to you and I'll try and do what you request to help you see what I'm saying in regards to any subjects on the bible. You must have some questions or is it that what I say, for instance on instruments being wrong in worship? I say that because it is and it's important to let people know what's acceptable and what's not to God in worship. Again, tell me what I can do to help each other learn the bible.
 
We need to worship and praise the Lord each and every day of our lives. Not just on Sunday!!!!!!! You do not worship and praise the Lord biblically. You judge others that don't go to your church as being sinners and unsaved because they go to a different church than you. That is legalism. I am Christian and I serve the Lord with everything that is in me to the core. Who are you to judge me or others that are. We go to are churches to be fed and those churches are very much Christian and that the Church according to the Word is the Bride of Christ. You need to stop judging and ridiculing us because we are Living the Word of the Lord which is the bible an for what ever reason you want to twist that word to suit yourself.
You're exactly right, we are to worship and praise him everyday of our lives, but there's also a time when Christians need to come together and worship God and learn from bible study and from the preacher also on how to deal with the problems we face and problems we might face in this world, so it helps to meet with fellow brothers and sisters to have a friendship like no other where we help each other on all different phases of life. Judging is allowed when that judging is in the best interest of the person's spiritual welfare as knowing the truth when they are believing something that isn't true. It's every Christians duty to help each other and to spread the word to those who are not Christians and those who are Christians and are misinformed. If we help all then we know Jesus isn't going to say something like, why didn't you correct that brother or sister or why didn't you get out there and try to help people become Christians, so let's do just that and then we will never have to worry about being asked that question from Jesus.
 
Uzzah and the Ark
5 And David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the Lord, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals.
Instruments were permitted in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament he has authorized singing only, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16 Spiritual seems more profound in singing than singing with instruments because instruments are man made and when used in worship it takes away from the spiritual oneness God is wanting by having only himself and you, not you and your instrument. This is why he has chosen singing only.
 
We need to worship and praise the Lord each and every day of our lives. Not just on Sunday!!!!!!! You do not worship and praise the Lord biblically. You judge others that don't go to your church as being sinners and unsaved because they go to a different church than you. That is legalism. I am Christian and I serve the Lord with everything that is in me to the core. Who are you to judge me or others that are. We go to are churches to be fed and those churches are very much Christian and that the Church according to the Word is the Bride of Christ. You need to stop judging and ridiculing us because we are Living the Word of the Lord which is the bible an for what ever reason you want to twist that word to suit yourself.

Look at what you done you made 6 judgements in your post.
 

The one true church is the Body of Christ:

Ephesians 5:23-33
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [SUP]26 [/SUP]that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [SUP]27 [/SUP]that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [SUP]28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: [SUP]30 [/SUP]for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. [SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


If a person is in Christ, that person is saved.

Also, the Church is not some building.

The Church is a living organism of Born again believers.

Thank you ChosenbyHim. This is Truth.

'God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in truth.'

(John 4:24)

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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No I was not judging anyone. I was speaking the truth according to the Word of the Lord. If you see that as judging then I say that is sad. By what you posted you are saying that we can not even speak and defend the truth in the Word of the LORD. I totally disagree with you on that that. If anyone is being judgmental and making judgments it is you.
 
No I was not judging anyone. I was speaking the truth according to the Word of the Lord. If you see that as judging then I say that is sad. By what you posted you are saying that we can not even speak and defend the truth in the Word of the LORD. I totally disagree with you on that that. If anyone is being judgmental and making judgments it is you.

LoL, How cute is this?;)
 
Die, thread! Die! Die a horrible miserable death in the woods of I Forgot Where This Thread Was And Never Want To See It Again.
 
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causing these people to believe in something that isn't authorized.
. . .

*cough*

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:
all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

(1 Corinthians 10:23)



well i read the first few pages of this thread and i honestly believe it would do me more spiritual harm than good to read anymore. Thank you, 1still_waters for pointing out the examples of musical worship in the Revelation, and thank the Spirit of Truth for pointing it out to you first!

already i feel like Tintin:


Die, thread! Die! Die a horrible miserable death in the woods of I Forgot Where This Thread Was And Never Want To See It Again.

have a nice thread! buh-bye!
 
Cute? I am not even attempting to be cute or funny. I am speaking the truth according to the WORD OF THE LORD. If you see it as being cute or funny then you have a serious problem that needs to be rectified according to the that Word which is the whole BIBLE. I am not going to waste my time in this thread since individuals only want to justify their judgmental ways and legalistic doctrine which does not line up with the WORD OF THE LORD and because it doesn't line up with that word it is not true and is false teaching.