DRINKING AND THE SCRIPTURES

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah no doubt and what a farce....Has it come to the point that professing believers will reject and argue simple biblical truths in context and the Biblical acceptable boundaries that have been given by God?

Again, I think it is all of pride. The pharisees did this, and we condemn them for it. But I guess it is ok if we do it.. A double standard

 

[dcontroversal]

Originally Posted by Kerry

So whats next, smoking pot. why not cocaine. I meant it's moderation right. What the hey, snort some heroin if helps you sleep.

The fact is you have no faith in the cross and whats wrong with abstaining. come on over to the weed for Christians thread. I meant if your gonna drink, might as well smoke pot too.

I don't remember anything in the OP about the listed things above in your post....Straw man here for sure!

 

[dcontroversal]

Every time you buy that bottle of wine, think of what you are supporting.

Probably some small family winery in some little hick town in Podunk U.S.A.<----------Just think if you were biblical and just simply read the inspired scriptures in the OP and biblically surrendered to the truth of it!

 

[dcontroversal]

you have it right. but many people want to tell you what you limits and boundaries should be instead of that being between you and God.

This is true and I also agree with Dustoff in the post above as well. It is a matter of maturity, non offence and NOT GETTING DRUNK IN EXCESS....

 

[dcontroversal]

You can drive down the highway with your feet if you want to. But, that don't mean it's a good idea.

Do you have anything biblical to add to the post? Serious!

 

[dcontroversal]

dude, it is not binding.

I have drank off and on since I was 18. never been an alcoholic. never even came close.

the jews tried this. by saying even pulling a chair across your floor was against the sabaath laws.

why do you want to be like them?

and still YOUR IGNORING SCRIPTURE.

what comes first? Scripture. or Kerry's lack of faith that people can drink and not become drunk or addicted??

HAHAH Yeah no doubt......II Kerry chapter 6 verse 66!

 

[dcontroversal]

Because I like you DC and just to split a frog hair 4 ways, Timothy was not a Pastor, he was an Evangelist...

2 Tim 4.5

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

neaner, neaner, neaner

and let us split that (frog hair) even finer hahaha

Yes in deed and he also...

1. Had a ministry
2. Was told to not let anyone despise his youth
3. He is also instructed by Paul in the qualifications of a pastor/teacher
4. Told to teach godly men who in turn could teach other godly men
5. Tradition seems to teach that he was eventually one of the many (pastors) of the church which was at Ephesus

I like you as well mi amigo

 

[dcontroversal]

Let me ask this question sipping saints, why do you need it? I meant red kool aid taste better to me. What purpose doe's it serve. Is it something you need or want. Explain, can you go with out?

Why not read the OP and key in on a few descriptive words that can clue you in...oh wait...God didn't inspire those words according to you and your anti-bible doctrine in favor hyper critical traditionalistic man made religious hand cuffs!

 

[dcontroversal]

lol. The pharisees did not inspire scripture God did.

They called him that because he went against their beliefs. And he was one to them.

Again, they would not call him a drunkard if he was drinking grape juice, they would have destroyed their own standing with the people by making known false claims.

Not to mention the fact that they would have looked like idiots.....I can see it now.....don't be getting drunk on that grape juice Jesus especially that NON ALCOHOLIC GRAPE JUICE.....OH WE GOT HIM NOW......can you say MORONIC! and Hypocrisy to the max..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not to mention the fact that they would have looked like idiots.....I can see it now.....don't be getting drunk on that grape juice Jesus especially that NON ALCOHOLIC GRAPE JUICE.....OH WE GOT HIM NOW......can you say MORONIC! and Hypocrisy to the max..

they would have lost everything. period

 

[dcontroversal]

how did the apostles understand "new wine", intoxicating or Not?
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

New wine...intoxicating.

Amen I agree and I will add...

Unless you don't know the bible and believe it is non-alcoholic grape juicy juice....

 

[dcontroversal]

Most definitely it was a real miracle. You don't get grape juice from water.

Really....

Rain falls-->gets sucked up by grape vine--->plumps grapes---->grape juice

God gets grape juice from water every time grapes come to fruition!

 

[dcontroversal]

Thanks.. Next time you post a scripture. make sure you study it all

Tarry long. Meaning it is not spoken to those who just sip wine, or drink it causally, but do not tarry long in drinking it.

Next??

NO doubt and touché!

 

[dcontroversal]

their action are justified by their good intention...
however, Even if their intentions are noble...There are just no place for wrong doctrine.[/QUOTE

I agree and will add....

TO reject scriptures in context such as the OP is as evil as it is to promote heresy! ALL who hold the word of God to be wrong will be judged by God for sure...ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED AND PROFITABLE....not just cherry picked scriptures taken out of context when applied against the OP scriptures!

 

[dcontroversal]

So what kind of wine did Melchizedek offer Abram?

The good kind for sure!

 

[dcontroversal]

they would have lost everything. period

No doubt......

 

[dcontroversal]

Again, I think it is all of pride. The pharisees did this, and we condemn them for it. But I guess it is ok if we do it.. A double standard

My point was directed at those who argue against the scriptures...not the ones arguing the validity of the truth mi amigo.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My point was directed at those who argue against the scriptures...not the ones arguing the validity of the truth mi amigo.

I was agreeing with ya bud, just adding to what you said

 

[Stephen63]

Romans 14:20-21 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

Many believe offending your brother to cause him to stumble is sinful(it is), but will do it anyway. Look how many have been offended just by talking about this. I wonder how many more will be offended when they see you do it?
Before someone says nobody's offended with this thread, let me tell you I am.

Mark 9:42 (KJV) [SUP]42 [/SUP]And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

yep.

And I do not drink around people who it would offend. or known alcoholics, (even if others are drinking)

but that does not mean I would refuse or judge a person who is drinking, in fact it could offend them.

so. it is a sin to offend by drinking around someone who would be offended, but is not a sin to judge or offend someone who thinks it is ok to drink.

talk about a double standard!

Yeah no doubt and what a farce....Has it come to the point that professing believers will reject and argue simple biblical truths in context and the Biblical acceptable boundaries that have been given by God?

Ok, boys..... both of you said it , now explain how this scripture or my statement is a double standard.....You started it, now finish it. 'Splain yerselves

 

[Brother_Don]

people are really getting bent over this thread, defending booze. booze is probably one of the biggest killers around. Kills inocent families out for a sunday drive by a drunken driver, kills relationships, killed my dad with liver disease, babies being born with fetal syndrome, kids go hungry because dad drank and gambled every thing away, i could keep going, but i'll end with, i have seen booze do a lot more damage than good. So can't convince me that anything good is in a bottle of booze.