What Should Christians Think of Governments That Criminalize Homosexuality?

[Angela53510]

Simona, some very good points and very interesting to hear what is going on in Europe. While we have gay pride marches, I think our gays are a bit more circumspect than in Europe. I guess we are just more naive here. It also explains why Putin is putting the damper on gay propaganda. I think not having a "gay" village at the Olympics was a bold step in the right direction. Let them come, be an athlete and forget about hooking up with another gay athlete, which really was the point of the gay village.

As far as legislating or outlawing homosexuality, I have to think of all the terrible sins we commit daily. Like pride and arrogance and this sin list in our society:

"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,[SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. " Gal. 5:19-20

It seems like anger, envy and causing divisions is right up there with sexuality immorality, witchcraft, drunkenness and orgies! Until we can legislate these sins of the flesh, better to stay away from banning homosexuality, which is just one of a long line of sexual sins that destroy our society. Sad to say!

 

[Percepi]

The law that bans propaganda does not forbid people to think and talk in a certain way. It forbids to push their ideas on others. Gays are allowed to act, dress, talk the way they want; they have gay clubs where they can manifest the way they like. They are forbidden to force their views and sexual behaviour on others. It's as simlpe as that: you respect me, I respect you.

WRONG

Freedom of speech includes freedom of the press. I'll refrain from harping on you too much since it doesn't appear you're American.

Propaganda does not mean for me freedom of speech, but a public manifestation where a group is pushing ideas and theories on people with the purpose to convert them to those ideas.
Gay propaganda does not go only against christian beliefs, but against the most elementary common sense. I have atheist friends that find the whole gay-marriage thing stupid.

Newsflash - if it's being debated, is not common sense.

More importantly, if homosexuality is so wrong that even non-Christians oppose it, then why must you feel threatened by free expression? If this "gay propaganda" is working, perhaps it's because it's not as cut and dry as you believe it to be. Propaganda is bad when people are censored. This is why gay rights activists generally don't have a problem allowing Christians to speak out against homosexuality, because the activists can attempt to counter their arguments. But when you censor ideas you disagree with, you're nothing by a tyrant.

I'm sorry, but I support freedom. Your idea that censorship is a good thing is absolutely stupid. But, hey, it's you right to make such statements! Ironically, if you were banned for supporting censorship, you might actually understand why it's wrong to begin with.

The law of banning gay propaganda is very good.
I have studied one year in Paris and every three months there was a gay propaganda going on in university. I have received a "questionnaire sur les sexualites" (that was the name of it and it was aimed to heterosexuals) and one of the question was "Si vous n'avez jamais couché avec un/e partenaire du meme sexe, comment savez-vous que vous ne préféreriez pas cela?" (translation: "Since you never slept with a same sex partner, how can you know that you wouldn't like that?").

You disagree with it, therefore it should be censored?

I'm sorry, but a person such as myself, who supports freedom, finds it incredibly frustrating that people such as yourself want to rule with an iron fist. If people want to worship and praise God, they'll have to choose God on their own - you can't force them.

In a free society, you should have the right to act stupidly. If you want to be a homosexual...

I will pray for your salvation and deliverance.

I will advise you to change your behavior.

I would support laws that would hinder any promotion of this hurtful human practice.

I would not support banning homosexuality. It should be defined as what it is, a sexual perversion and in no way should any society consider homosexuality as the norm, accepted, or worthy of promotion in any degree.

I value freedom too much to keep silent when people like you open your freedom-hating mouths.

If two consenting adults want to have sex, it's their choice. And if other people are okay with that, it's their right to express their views on ethics and morality. To censor people because you disagree with their views on morality and ethics is astonishing, and it's that kind of behavior that stunted the process of outlawing slavering in America.

 

[Percepi]

Simona, some very good points and very interesting to hear what is going on in Europe. While we have gay pride marches, I think our gays are a bit more circumspect than in Europe. I guess we are just more naive here. It also explains why Putin is putting the damper on gay propaganda. I think not having a "gay" village at the Olympics was a bold step in the right direction. Let them come, be an athlete and forget about hooking up with another gay athlete, which really was the point of the gay village.

As far as legislating or outlawing homosexuality, I have to think of all the terrible sins we commit daily. Like pride and arrogance and this sin list in our society:

"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,[SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. " Gal. 5:19-20

It seems like anger, envy and causing divisions is right up there with sexuality immorality, witchcraft, drunkenness and orgies! Until we can legislate these sins of the flesh, better to stay away from banning homosexuality, which is just one of a long line of sexual sins that destroy our society. Sad to say!

What destroys societies are tyrants who force their religions onto people! They don't allow people to question their religions. They don't allow people who disagree with them to make a point. They don't allow people to oppose them in any way. If you want a Christian government like that, then you're looking to turn America into the new North Korea!

 

[SonInMe]

Freedom of the press...then why is child porn illegal?

 

[SonInMe]

Its not hatred to stand for good.

 

[KevinKB]

A job well done. Russia has legislated against the promotion of gay-dom in any public venue. The Muslims have laws to cover the problem. We in the west clap and cheer them on.

 

[Historicist]

We should thank them and then do the same.

 

[Percepi]

Freedom of the press...then why is child porn illegal?

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.

You clearly don't understand what freedom of the press actually is, nor do you understand the PURPOSE of said freedoms. Child pornography is a violation of privacy. It's also illegal to make false statements about people as well - but we have a very solid foundation of determining when someone lied and when they told an opinion.

 

[Percepi]

A job well done. Russia has legislated against the promotion of gay-dom in any public venue. The Muslims have laws to cover the problem. We in the west clap and cheer them on.

You fool! Islamic governments KILL homosexuals! Is that SERIOUSLY what you propose should be done? Is that SERIOUSLY something you applaud?!

I'm sorry, but what is wrong with you?

 

[sc81]

well have gays ever spoken out against countries that banned christianity?

if gays want their lifestyle legalized it's certainly nothing I will support or get involved in on their behalf

Anyway as usual I notice there is lot of criticism of russia and uganda for their gay laws since they have reasonable christian populations yet stark silence from the media over all the muslim countries and their stance which is actually alot stricter since it involves death.

 

[SonInMe]

well have gays ever spoken out against countries that banned christianity?

if gays want their lifestyle legalized it's certainly nothing I will support or get involved in on their behalf

Anyway as usual I notice there is lot of criticism of russia and uganda for their gay laws since they have reasonable christian populations yet stark silence from the media over all the muslim countries and their stance which is actually alot stricter since it involves death.

Gays are not christian friendly. You would think those who cry so much for tolerance would be tolerant.....right?

Nope, because they are not interested in tolerance. They know their agenda and lifestyle would stagnate. This group wants promotion and anyone who gets in their way? Will be made out to be bigots and ''homophobes''.

That's what sexual perverts do. Its what they are all about...getting sex. Promoting their lifestyles to get more sex. To normalize their lifestyle so more will accept it, so they can have more sex....and more....and more.

Period

 

[Simona25]

I see where you're coming from. By the way, does this Inna cut crosses out of trees using a chainsaw, or is she cutting down existing crosses with a chainsaw?

She is destroying the existing crosses with a chainsaw.

I was going to look it up myself, but it turns out it's a bad idea to Google 'Inna'.

Lol. You're right )). I talk about Inna Shevchenko, not about the romanian "artist".

 

[Historicist]

It is because our nation is not enforcing God's civil penalty for sodomy ---that we have none. We are now suffering His judgement, in the form of same sex "marriage," sodomite agendas in schools, government, entertainment, and everywhere.

 

[Percepi]

Gays are not christian friendly. You would think those who cry so much for tolerance would be tolerant.....right?

Nope, because they are not interested in tolerance. They know their agenda and lifestyle would stagnate. This group wants promotion and anyone who gets in their way? Will be made out to be bigots and ''homophobes''.

Let me rephrase that for you, "Gays are not tolerant of us because they won't let us take away their freedom, which is why they don't deserve freedom."

If you try to restrict the rights of homosexuals, OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YOU!
If you give gays basic human rights, they won't speak out against Christians who want to make them 2nd class citizens.

Gays aren't doing ANYTHING to oppress Christians. They're merely fighting for their own rights! To say they're not Christian friendly is like saying, "That dog I beat always tries to bite me when I get near it. It's not friendly to me, which is why I beat it."

That's what sexual perverts do.

Homosexuality refers to sexual preference. Calling all gays sexual perverts is like calling all straight people sexual perverts.

Its what they are all about...getting sex. Promoting their lifestyles to get more sex. To normalize their lifestyle so more will accept it, so they can have more sex....and more....and more.

I won't waste my time debating made up nonsense from a person who clearly knows nothing about homosexuality.

Homosexuality is a sexual preference. Most gay people don't partake in orgies. Most gay people don't have sex with random people of the same gender. Like most heterosexuals, gays tend to wait for the "right person" and have sex with people they feel close to. Sure, there are gays out there who do like to partake in orgies - just like how there are straight people who like to partake in orgies. There are gays out there who like to have one night stands, just like how there are straight people who like to have one night stands.

I'm not saying homosexuality is right, I'm just saying you have no idea what you're talking about and you need to actually - I don't know - talk to a few gay people and actually educate yourself instead of blindly listening to people who hate gays so much they create their own reality where gays are all satanist monsters who want to have sex with everything that moves.

Period

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

It is because our nation is not enforcing God's civil penalty for sodomy ---that we have none. We are now suffering His judgement, in the form of same sex "marriage," sodomite agendas in schools, government, entertainment, and everywhere.

Yeah, it sucks living in a nation that supports freedom of religion, doesn't it?

 

[adsd]

when the state is righteous in all their decisions, like abortion issues that seem to be okay. I will consider their choice of being involved with homosexuality. adultery used to be a crime but is over looked now. what about couples (swingers). we pay for our sins in the end on earth ( mentally, spiritually, physically) and at judgment. child predators seem to get less punishment, they sicken me more than any other how about focus on that government. anything done to protect children or create laws for this, were started by parents who's child fell victim. nothing the government jumped into on their own. we are all of sin.

 

[adsd]

if some one in church the church has the right and obligation to confront a sinner for their own good not so much judgment. if some one chooses to hide from God he will continue to suffer the mental physical and spiritual pain on earth then face judgment .

 

[Percepi]

if some one in church the church has the right and obligation to confront a sinner for their own good not so much judgment. if some one chooses to hide from God he will continue to suffer the mental physical and spiritual pain on earth then face judgment .

Pretty sure gays don't feel physical, earthly, pain (due to homosexuality) while they're on Earth. If they did - I don't think they would partake in gay sex or being gay, unless they're masochists.

But, yes, if people want to tell homosexuals what they're doing is wrong - they have every right to do so.

 

[Simona25]

WRONG
Freedom of speech includes freedom of the press. I'll refrain from harping on you too much since it doesn't appear you're American.

I believe in freedom of speech and of the press. I believe press should be free to question the law of banning the gay-propaganda. However, if press abuses of its freedom and pushes an agenda and manipulate ideas...then the readers are no longer free.

Newsflash - if it's being debated, is not common sense.

Newsflash for you - if it's being debated, it's only because some secular-atheist organisation that don't give 2 cents on who romanians really are, try to copy everything that happens in western countries. I find it very interesting (and disturbing at the same time) that the gay propaganda (in Romania) is not orchestrated by the gays (who are more like the kind of gays that Desdichado described in post n. 5), but by that organisation that fights, in reality, against christian orthodoxy, and not for the gays.

Most of the gays that I have seen on TV, were men that became gay under very terrifiant circunstances. Those men need medical help and understanding; they never asked for the right to get married or adopt children. They do not spit on the church. They understand the romanian specific and don't try to replace our traditional system of values to a new one - one that ignores the cultural background of Romania.

If gay-marriage was normal it wouldn't need propaganda. Propaganda tries to turn the majority that opose gay marriage into a minority. That's the main purpose of propaganda (of any kind), besides brainwashing and manipulation.

Gays in Romania are protected just like any other person is. They are not persecuted.

More importantly, if homosexuality is so wrong that even non-Christians oppose it, then why must you feel threatened by free expression? If this "gay propaganda" is working, perhaps it's because it's not as cut and dry as you believe it to be. Propaganda is bad when people are censored. This is why gay rights activists generally don't have a problem allowing Christians to speak out against homosexuality, because the activists can attempt to counter their arguments. But when you censor ideas you disagree with, you're nothing by a tyrant.

Please, stop using the double language. Propaganda and free expression are not the same thing. Propaganda means to yell all sorts of lies from a microphone, while free expression means to tell that 2+2=4.
Also, you are using a double language when you imply that by oposing the gay-marriage, we opose homosexuality. It is not fair and I do not appreciate when someone attributes to me sayings that I didn't make.

Since you love the double language, don't forget to also call me a homophob.

I'm sorry, but I support freedom. Your idea that censorship is a good thing is absolutely stupid. But, hey, it's you right to make such statements! Ironically, if you were banned for supporting censorship, you might actually understand why it's wrong to begin with.

Your idea that propaganda means freedom of expression makes me laugh (or cry).
I would be more than happy if the mass-media would stop promoting stupidity, prostitution, promiscuity, gypsies that only care about making money and all sort of non-values.

If two consenting adults want to have sex, it's their choice. And if other people are okay with that, it's their right to express their views on ethics and morality. To censor people because you disagree with their views on morality and ethics is astonishing, and it's that kind of behavior that stunted the process of outlawing slavering in America.

No one cares about what two people do in their bedroom. No one burst in their house to judge them and criminalize them.
The majority of romanians opose gay-marriage and gay-adoption, not gays.

 

[Simona25]

Homosexuality refers to sexual preference. Calling all gays sexual perverts is like calling all straight people sexual perverts.

When you don't have the property of words, the words play tricks on you. Perversion comes from latin and it means twisted, diverted. The sexual perversion refers to the diversion/perversion of the natural telos (purpose) of the sexual instinct, to a purpose that is prisoner of sexual satisfaction. Yes, even heterosexuals can be perverts. However, a heterosexual that is atracted by women still goes with his instinct and makes much more sense than a homosexual, because, it's normal to like women (that can eventually get pregnant) and not men (that get pregnant only in american movies).

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I have a problem with liberals and homosexuals tyrannically wielding the government, via Civil Rights legislation intended to normalize race and gender, to severely persecute moral Americans who refuse to facilitate immoral activities (note: an activity is not a person) which violate their moral free conscience and religious convictions toward morality which are human rights and something our Bill of Rights was originally designed to protect.